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VCO said:
Aren't we chasing each other round in circles, on the same subject on two different threads?

This here is YET another proof that you are unable to understand the spiritual truths in these verses in Romans. That is why a seriously doubt if you were ever, truly born again.
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you post something from the doctrine of man ...and tell me you doubt I was ever truly born again.....what you call proof is doctrine of men according to their own understanding...
 
newbirth said:
you post something from the doctrine of man ...and tell me you doubt I was ever truly born again.....what you call proof is doctrine of men according to their own understanding...
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Are you sure about that?

This is the doctrine of man:

newbirth said:
what foolishness is that you are saying ...the HS does not bring guilt
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This is the doctrine of God:

"When the Counselor comes, he will convict the world of guilt. . ." (Jn 16:8)

"Physician, heal thyself."
 
There is a difference between bringing guilt upon someone, and convicting them of the guilt they already embody.
 
RickyZ said:
There is a difference between bringing guilt upon someone, and convicting them of the guilt they already embody.
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Interesting hermeneutic.

Bringing guilt in your sense of the phrase is false guilt.

The Holy Spirit brings true guilt.

Both bring guilt.
 
newbirth said:
you post something from the doctrine of man ...and tell me you doubt I was ever truly born again.....what you call proof is doctrine of men according to their own understanding...
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No, there is no kindred spirit ministering to my spirit, very little spiritual understanding being presented in your posts, and no LOVE for HIM as GOD the Son, glorifying HIM as GOD. The proof you lack, can only be generated through the human spirit by the Holy Spirit. And it seems all you want to focus on is what you can do physically.
 
Elin said:
Are you sure about that?

This is the doctrine of man:



This is the doctrine of God:

"When the Counselor comes, he will convict the world of guilt. . ." (Jn 16:8)

"Physician, heal thyself."
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seems like you like the doctrine of man also...
since when does convict the world of guilt means bring guilt...The world will be found guilty(sinful) by the HS...Or the HS will show up the guilt(sins) of the world...the HS does not bring guilt...

John 16:8King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
 
VCO said:
No, there is no kindred spirit ministering to my spirit, very little spiritual understanding being presented in your posts, and no LOVE for HIM as GOD the Son, glorifying HIM as GOD. The proof you lack, can only be generated through the human spirit by the Holy Spirit. And it seems all you want to focus on is what you can do physically.
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what can I say ....that is your opinion VCO but it is sad to see I am already condemn in your eyes....therefore you cannot hear my words...if I speak falsely and my words do not agree with the word of God then I am condemned....because I speak my own words...but if I speak the truth and my words agree with the word of God....then you have rejected God's words...show me where I have no spiritual understanding .....
 
Elin said:
Interesting hermeneutic.

Bringing guilt in your sense of the phrase is false guilt.

The Holy Spirit brings true guilt.

Both bring guilt.
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what is false guilt? if one is falsely accused then they are not guilty.....are you saying we were not guilty and the HS has come to make us guilty....the scripture does not teach that...is that another man made doctrine?
 
newbirth said:
you post something from the doctrine of man ...and tell me you doubt I was ever truly born again.....what you call proof is doctrine of men according to their own understanding...
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New, has it ever crossed you mind that it is your theology that is the false doctrinal teachings?
 
newbirth said:
what can I say ....that is your opinion VCO but it is sad to see I am already condemn in your eyes....therefore you cannot hear my words...if I speak falsely and my words do not agree with the word of God then I am condemned....because I speak my own words...but if I speak the truth and my words agree with the word of God....then you have rejected God's words...show me where I have no spiritual understanding .....
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NO, not already condemned; but rather just NOT YET BORN AGAIN AND SAVED!

New, I have showed you over and over again, and still you reject it.
 
newbirth said:
what is false guilt? if one is falsely accused then they are not guilty.....are you saying we were not guilty and the HS has come to make us guilty....the scripture does not teach that...is that another man made doctrine?
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You will know what it means when it happens.
 
newbirth said:
seems like you like the doctrine of man also...
since when does convict the world of guilt means bring guilt...The world will be found guilty(sinful) by the HS...Or the HS will show up the guilt(sins) of the world...the HS does not bring guilt...

John 16:8King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
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When is the last time you felt the guilt of sin?

OR

Have you never felt the guilt of sin?
 
VCO said:
New, has it ever crossed you mind that it is your theology that is the false doctrinal teachings?
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have I changed the word...??? where?you are the one saying water baptism is a picture so it is not necessary...something about human spirit and false guilt...I did not say those things...you did...
 
VCO said:
When is the last time you felt the guilt of sin?

OR

Have you never felt the guilt of sin?
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do you think I go around practising sin?....is sin a secret that I will not know if I have done it...? if God Spirit dwells in you, you will be able to identify sin a mile away...that is why the scripture says.... shun the very appearance of evil....submit to God resist the devil and he will flee from you....
 
VCO said:
When is the last time you felt the guilt of sin?

OR

Have you never felt the guilt of sin?
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Bringing conviction is a work of the Holy Spirit.

I look for people who fear God and are committed to follow / obey their Lord. They are surprisingly hard to find. Most Christians seem to want to talk about the love of God but not the fear of God. More seem more determined to avoid legalism than to avoid sin against God and neighbor.

"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." - Psalm 119:63
 
nl said:
Bringing conviction is a work of the Holy Spirit.

I look for people who fear God and are committed to follow / obey their Lord. They are surprisingly hard to find. Most Christians seem to want to talk about the love of God but not the fear of God. More seem more determined to avoid legalism than to avoid sin against God and neighbor.

"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." - Psalm 119:63
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what beats me is..even Paul the great apostle is concerned about maintaining God's order...
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.




and here it is these guys trying to decide whether it is right or wrong to obey God's command...and it is primarily because they think they are secured in their position...
 
newbirth said:
here it is these guys trying to decide
whether it is right or wrong to obey God's command...and it is primarily because they think they are secured in their position...
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In the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, we find that God's only new covenant commands
are the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39), which is the law of God (1Co 9:21),
and the commands and exhortations of the NT.

These are the commands of God those in the new covenant are to obey.
 
newbirth said:
Elin said:
Are you sure about that?

This is the doctrine of man:

newbirth said:
what foolishness is that you are saying ...the HS does not bring guilt
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This is the doctrine of God:

"When the Counselor comes, he will convict the world of guilt. . ." (Jn 16:8)

"Physician, heal thyself."
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seems like you like the doctrine of man also...
since when does convict the world of guilt means bring guilt...
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Ever since the Holy Spirit convicting one of sin means bringing felt guilt for sin.

You could use a good Bible study.
 
newbirth said:
Elin said:
RickyZ said:
There is a difference between bringing guilt upon someone,
and convicting them of the guilt they already embody.
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Interesting hermeneutic.

Bringing guilt in your sense of the phrase is false guilt.

The Holy Spirit brings true guilt.

Both bring guilt.
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what is false guilt?
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In RickyZ's paradigm, it would be guilt one does not embody.

if one is falsely accused then they are not guilty?
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Agreed.

.....are you saying we were not guilty and the HS has come to make us guilty....the scripture does not teach that...is that another man made doctrine?
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You'll have to ask RickyZ what his distinction between "bringing" and "convicting" is.
 
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