bothso do you see all of Revelation 12 as being fulfilled in the past or that the devil is trying to totally destroy every good thing there is in the world currently?
bothso do you see all of Revelation 12 as being fulfilled in the past or that the devil is trying to totally destroy every good thing there is in the world currently?
What 'nation' are you referring to? Who are you saying is the [first] 'beast'?Yes when they sat the nation back up that had received the wound by the sword and worshiped it as if it were of God they were doomed...
When - precisely - did it end?
What 'nation' are you referring to? Who are you saying is the [first] 'beast'?
Matthew 24:29
'Immediately after the tribulation of those days'
Mark 13:24
'But in those days, after that tribulation'
What 'tribulation'? What 'days'?
Joseph. Egypt.In the Bible, is there anywhere where trouble was coming and a man of God prepped for it?
since execution is slated for everyone who refuses the mark anyway .
Many think the bible says that but it actually doesn't. It says refusal to worship the image of the beast is a death sentence...not said about refusing the mark though.
Many think the bible says that but it actually doesn't. It says refusal to worship the image of the beast is a death sentence...not said about refusing the mark though.
You have to consider the consequences of taking the mark of the beast though.
Oh, I also found this:
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
So it shows that refusing the mark of the beast can result in a beheading = a death sentence.
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Amen. Pretribbers try way too hard. The scriptures are very clear and consistent. My conclusion: Pretribbers are too busy trying to justify their unscriptural doctrine to notice what the Bible actually teaches.
Let's get back to discussing whether or not refusal of the mark means you die. Paul said some will survive the trib and be raptured. How can they take the mark and still be worthy of rapture given the scriptures you just posted about those who take the mark?
Refusing the mark is not a death sentence. It only means you cannot buy or sell ie: take part in the economy of the beast system.
Actually that shows they rejected everything and were killed. They weren't killed only for refusing the mark.
This sounds so familiar....
....didn't the snake say that Eve won't die if she ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
Every time the Bible talked about the mark of the beast, it was closely associated with worshipping the AC. So when someone will take the mark of beast, that is the seal over that person to show their allegiance to the AC. It is similar to the seal of the Holy Spirit over the Christian and refusing the mark of the beast shows their allegiance to God.
And Satan knows this. This is why he will move the AC and his one-world government to enforce killing anyone who refuses the mark of the beast.
But that is just physical death which the Lord Jesus has already conquered. We shouldn't be afraid of that. We should, instead be afraid of the far more dire consequences of taking the mark. Because it's not only physical death that will be dealt to those who take the mark. Those who take the mark will also face the second death by judgement of God.
Revelation 14:10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
Your posts sounds to me like you want to take the mark of the beast thinking it's safe to do so, but I personally wouldn't.
You asked how can there be Christians who survive the GT if they refuse the mark of the beast? Some Jews hid in Europe during WW2 and God chose to help protect them. I think God will choose to help some Christians hide successfully as well through to the Post-Trib Rapture. This is also a big world and the AC and one-world government won't be able to find everyone who is hiding, especially if they're smart about it.
Accepting the mark is in essence pledging allegiance to the Antichrist. Satan does nothing original. The mark is his way of placing a "seal" upon people in direct defiance of God. Those who accept Satan's seal will be lost for eternity.Let's get back to discussing whether or not refusal of the mark means you die. Paul said some will survive the trib and be raptured. How can they take the mark and still be worthy of rapture given the scriptures you just posted about those who take the mark?
Refusing the mark is not a death sentence. It only means you cannot buy or sell ie: take part in the economy of the beast system.
Accepting the mark is in essence pledging allegiance to the Antichrist.
Note scripture states those who did not receive the mark upon their foreheads or hands were beheaded. Also, Rev 14 indicates those who do accept the mark will drink of the wine of the wrath of God being tormented for eternity.Well, that is more what the worship is. The mark does literally place a mark of the AC on people, but it is to control their ability to buy and sell.
So, many people claim refusal of the mark means you will be killed but that isn't what the bible says. It says refusal to worship the image of the beast will result in death. Does not say that about the mark. Paul said some will be alive and remain, and they will be made immortal and raptured. They survived the trib and did not take the mark.