Why aren't the words " believe, believer, and believing " in italics in the English translation of scripture?

[Genez]

The teachers i referenced have the largest collection of biblical manuscripts in private hands behind the Vatican. Thats what they teach from. Fluent in all the ancient dialects. Lots of credentials, Stanford professor and Stanford graduate.

So my bar is high for those gifted teachers. One thing I do know is I'm not one of the them, but I am a good student, love to point the called out ones in the right direction. And I think thats allowable for the saint being perfected.

The teacher I have primarily learned from over the years taught at universities by invite.
Including, an invitation by faculty.
He was invited by students at MIT to give a Bible conference.
And, he was the only pastor I know that my Jewish dad respected and was thankful for.

God, being God?
Raises up a few men out of the many who will get a needed job done.

If you want to learn intricacies of the Hebrew and Greek?
And, Biblical history on a PhD level?
While being entertaining?
Highly recommended.

 

[Watchman22]

The teacher I have primarily learned from over the years taught at universities by invite.
Including, an invitation by faculty.
He was invited by students at MIT to give a Bible conference.
And, he was the only pastor I know that my Jewish dad respected and was thankful for.

God, being God?
Raises up a few men out of the many who will get a needed job done.

If you want to learn intricacies of the Hebrew and Greek?
And, Biblical history on a PhD level?
While being entertaining?
Highly recommended.

What was your teachers name Genez?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

How hard would it be to reprint all the English translations of the NT? Lol

I learned the words faithing, faither, and faithe from Dr. Gene Scott. He was using them in the 70's.

I heard him in the 80s as a kid.
I used to listen a while just trying to figure out what he was getting at with talk of pyramids and esoteric subjects while smoking a big stogie. Lol
It was funny when he would say he wasn't going to preach anymore until he got more money!
I'd say GOOD! SHUT UP!
I don't think I heard his name since, but it brings back memories.

 

[Watchman22]

I heard him in the 80s as a kid.
I used to listen a while just trying to figure out what he was getting at with talk of pyramids and esoteric subjects while smoking a big stogie. Lol
It was funny when he would say he wasn't going to preach anymore until he got more money!
I'd say GOOD! SHUT UP!
I don't think I heard his name since, but it brings back memories.

Ya thats what most people saw when they were exposed to him and his different style of teaching. He would actually do awkward things on purpose to cull out the ones who had no ears to hear. Still working today, lol.

Because I had the born again experience before ever heard him, I knew he was legit, the only one who was legit.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Ya thats what most people saw when they were exposed to him and his different style of teaching. He would actually do awkward things on purpose to cull out the ones who had no ears to hear. Still working today, lol.

Because I had the born again experience before ever heard him, I knew he was legit, the only one who was legit.

I certainly didn't confuse him with the Catholic Church I was raised in.
I don't recall hearing him preach the gospel. Maybe I missed those sermons. What did he think a man must do to be saved?

 

[Genez]

What was your teachers name Genez?

R.B. Thieme Jr.
https://rbthieme.org/about-us

 

[Watchman22]

R.B. Thieme Jr.
https://rbthieme.org/about-us

I'll check him out, thanks.

 

[cv5]

Ya thats what most people saw when they were exposed to him and his different style of teaching. He would actually do awkward things on purpose to cull out the ones who had no ears to hear. Still working today, lol.

Because I had the born again experience before ever heard him, I knew he was legit, the only one who was legit.

"the only one who was legit"

What....?

 

[frederickdoc]

Words are only italicized if there was no corresponding Greek word; the italicized word was inserted for clarity in English. A word that is simply hard to render accurately in English isn't italicized; but in some cases it might have a footnote. Maybe there should be more footnotes that explain such words.

This is supose ti tenind the read to look at the subjest in this case it is judgment .Someone tried clarify All with MEN nowhere is jesus talking about MEN .

• Verse 31: "Now is the Judgment of this world..."
• Verse 32: "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me."
• 
  
• The italic eord removed above non behold the Subject in plain view . Jesus Now!
• I would be ok with draw all judgment of men unto Himself

 

[frederickdoc]

R.B. Thieme Jr.
https://rbthieme.org/about-us

Holy Spirit Glorified Quickened

 

[JohnRH]

In most other cases, any words added by the translators are in italics.
1) the words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.
In the Greek, you are only faithing towards something pisteuo, or faithing away from something Apisteuo. No neutral of middle ground like just believing.

2) The English language has no verb form of the Word" faith" like the Greek does. So those words believe, believer, and believing, we're added by the translators for the corresponding verb pisteuo, and should be in italics.

Why aren't they?

I'm not positive, but I think the following is true:
Italics are generally used for words that are absent in the Greek text, but are necessary in the English text in order for the sentence to make grammatical sense.
But if the Greek has a word present in the text, such as 'pisteuo', then it gets translated with whatever synonomous word the English language has, and is not italicized.

 

[JohnRH]

The Greek language being the best language on the planet has always been the datum point or point of reference to languages that followed .

No doubt like everything else the keepers of the English language have abandoned those roots. Your probably aware they add new words all the time.

You ever seen that movie big fat Greek wedding? The father is always asking anyone to give him an English word and he would tell where it came from in the Greek, thats true

Windex will clear it all up for you.

 

[Watchman22]

I'm not positive, but I think the following is true:
Italics are generally used for words that are absent in the Greek text, but are necessary in the English text in order for the sentence to make grammatical sense.
But if the Greek has a word present in the text, such as 'pisteuo', then it gets translated with whatever synonomous word the English language has, and is not italicized.

Although your comical windex suggestion is the last thing I'd want God to bring up when you stand before Him, but thats on you.

I'm aware of why italics are used in some translations. It's when the translators add a word the isn't in the original texts.

The reason I brought up this question, is because the English word "believe" is not in the Greek texts. They don't acknowledge in their language, a state of being where someone is simply in a neutral state of being.

Pisteuo is either one, moving towards God, "pisteuo" , or two, "Apisteuo," moving away from God. No neutral ground such as just believing.

So thats why the question, the translators added a word that isn't in the Greek language . The only disclaimer is in the Strongs, where t hey begin the definition of pisteuo saying" pisteuo means not just to believe. "


The Vines doesn't even mention the word believe in it's definition. And don't waste your time bringing up new dictionary definitions where they have added the word believe, i know there out there now.

The Greek word pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then mistranslated back out of the English and stamped onto the Greek language.

This is one of the ways I've tried to warn others of the huge problem about what is how we understand pisteuo, the correct response to the call of the Father.

Now you have received your warning.

 

[JohnRH]

Although your comical windex suggestion is the last thing I'd want God to bring up when you stand before Him, but thats on you.

I'm aware of why italics are used in some translations. It's when the translators add a word the isn't in the original texts.

The reason I brought up this question, is because the English word "believe" is not in the Greek texts. They don't acknowledge in their language, a state of being where someone is simply in a neutral state of being.

Pisteuo is either one, moving towards God, "pisteuo" , or two, "Apisteuo," moving away from God. No neutral ground such as just believing.

So thats why the question, the translators added a word that isn't in the Greek language . The only disclaimer is in the Strongs, where t hey begin the definition of pisteuo saying" pisteuo means not just to believe. "


The Vines doesn't even mention the word believe in it's definition. And don't waste your time bringing up new dictionary definitions where they have added the word believe, i know there out there now.

The Greek word pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then mistranslated back out of the English and stamped onto the Greek language.

This is one of the ways I've tried to warn others of the huge problem about what is how we understand pisteuo, the correct response to the call of the Father.

Now you have received your warning.

I consider faith and belief to be the same thing.

Also, the Windex crack is from the movie that YOU brought up.

 

[Davidstarr]

In most other cases, any words added by the translators are in italics.
1) the words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.
In the Greek, you are only faithing towards something pisteuo, or faithing away from something Apisteuo. No neutral of middle ground like just believing.

2) The English language has no verb form of the Word" faith" like the Greek does. So those words believe, believer, and believing, we're added by the translators for the corresponding verb pisteuo, and should be in italics.

Why aren't they?

The Greek word "pisteuo". Is not a supplied word. This is why it is not italicized.

Many Hebrew and Greek words have alternate meanings. Pisteuo is one of them.

It has been translated as "commit to (one's) trust", "to put in trust with" (I Thess 2:4).

It means "believe" and "believer" as well as:

to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
of the thing believed
to credit, have confidence
used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

As such the word "believe" is an accurate English translation.

 

[Watchman22]

The Greek word "pisteuo". Is not a supplied word. This is why it is not italicized.

Many Hebrew and Greek words have alternate meanings. Pisteuo is one of them.

It has been translated as "commit to (one's) trust", "to put in trust with" (I Thess 2:4).

It means "believe" and "believer" as well as:

to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
of the thing believed
to credit, have confidence
used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

As such the word "believe" is an accurate English translation.

The word Faith is pistis in the Greek: conviction, reliance upon, a noun used 238 times

The corresponding verb pisteuo is "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender." Used an additional 245 times.

ABCs of faith, the application of faith is
A) and act.
B) based upon a belief.
C) sustained by confidence.

A) the act is , a personal surrender to Him.
B) based upon a belief that God will accept the surrendered life.
C) sustained by the confidence that all the many daily little decisions are supported by the fact we really do understand our lives to be His now and not ours.

That is what NT faith and faithing is. The only believing is that He will accept our act of faith, our surrendered life. No believing in anything associated with Jesus or His word. Any acting on Gods word comes later , after He accepts the surrendered life, tests the surrendered life, and grafts on the surrendered life, then implanting His Spirit and mind. THEN, His word and promises therein are ours to claim.

Your understanding is the perversion and damage that the mistranslated word believer has causes. When it finally hits you, i hope it not to late.

I know you have gotten a more than sufficient portion of the truth, yet you refuse. That will cost not only you, but your household also.

 

[Davidstarr]

The word Faith is pistis in the Greek: conviction, reliance upon, a noun used 238 times

The corresponding verb pisteuo is "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender." Used an additional 245 times.

ABCs of faith, the application of faith is
A) and act.
B) based upon a belief.
C) sustained by confidence.

A) the act is , a personal surrender to Him.
B) based upon a belief that God will accept the surrendered life.
C) sustained by the confidence that all the many daily little decisions are supported by the fact we really do understand our lives to be His now and not ours.

That is what NT faith and faithing is. The only believing is that He will accept our act of faith, our surrendered life. No believing in anything associated with Jesus or His word. Any acting on Gods word comes later , after He accepts the surrendered life, tests the surrendered life, and grafts on the surrendered life, then implanting His Spirit and mind. THEN, His word and promises therein are ours to claim.

Your understanding is the perversion and damage that the mistranslated word believer has causes. When it finally hits you, i hope it not to late.

I know you have gotten a more than sufficient portion of the truth, yet you refuse. That will cost not only you, but your household also.

Belief in the truth is essential of course.

 

[Watchman22]

I consider faith and belief to be the same thing.

Also, the Windex crack is from the movie that YOU brought up.

BELIEF and faith are the same in that they are both nouns, thats it
Faith is a conviction, reliance upon.

Here is how belief is defined
Second part of the definition of pisteuo, the action part of faith, i call faithing.

Vines: all this stands in contrast to BELIEF in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good faith without the necessary reference to its proof.

When your talking about the act of faith that saves, belief only comes in when you believe He accepts our surrendered life.

 

[Watchman22]

I consider faith and belief to be the same thing.

Also, the Windex crack is from the movie that YOU brought up.

Thanks for letting me know something i say in here is remembered.