Why did Job suffer?

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I am sad that you did not listen to what the others had to say. Your application is good, because it fits with other Scripture, but you seem to have missed the whole point of the book. I beg you to go back and read some of the posts on here. If you say the trials were Job's fault, then you are guilty of "speaking wrongly of God" just like Job's 3 friends.
 
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Well, I'm not surprised at the overwhelming negative responses I received. I have a little more to say on the subject.


They are not negative responses, it is you who have taken the verses out of context, see what God says to Job's friends at the end:

ob 42:7 And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.
Job 42:8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has."
Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD commanded them; for the LORD had accepted Job.
 
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Job suffered because,God knew he could sustain the suffering that He put him through. As I said before it had nothing to do with Job. God picked the fight with satan. God said have you seen my servant Job. God laid down the rules of engagement and satan had to abide by those rules. Thats why, when Jesus died on the cross that satna over stepped his boundaries and Jesu took the keys of death from satan and He know holds them. The bible even declares that the cross made an open show of satan. That defeated foe that still terrorise this Earth because of doubt and unbelief.
 

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There is no life without suffering. The Bible says it is to develop our character.

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us." Romans 5:3-5

Job has been my inspiration many times when the pain and suffering were beyond the help of any medication. Plus the suffering drew me closer to God and gave me a ministry.

Really, this whole post is off track, because it assumes the Health and Wealth gospel - that we deserve to live a life that is healthy and wealthy. That Job was entitled to a perfect life because of his actions. But that is not the promise of God.

The promise of God is to be transformed.

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

Like all the metaphors in the Old Testament about being refined as silver and gold, refining is a lengthy and has many harsh and painful steps. God shapes us through suffering, and also through many other things.

The book of Job is NOT about sin. It is about how to walk with God in spite of pain and suffering. And of course, the meta-narrative of God versus Satan.
 

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They are not negative responses, it is you who have taken the verses out of context, see what God says to Job's friends at the end:

ob 42:7 And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.
Job 42:8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has."
Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD commanded them; for the LORD had accepted Job.
I don't have a problem with others disagreeing with me. That doesn't bother me in the least. What I do care about is if I have interpreted scripture correctly or not. I don't see where I took scripture out of context though. I also know about the three friends, but the fourth guy was not rebuked by God for what he said against Job.
 

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I am sad that you did not listen to what the others had to say. Your application is good, because it fits with other Scripture, but you seem to have missed the whole point of the book. I beg you to go back and read some of the posts on here. If you say the trials were Job's fault, then you are guilty of "speaking wrongly of God" just like Job's 3 friends.
Thank you for your post sir. I have already read every one's post and I also understand where everyone is coming from. I'm not saying that Job was a bad guy. I just see hints that there were some things that God saw that needed addressing.
 

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There is no life without suffering. The Bible says it is to develop our character.

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us." Romans 5:3-5

Job has been my inspiration many times when the pain and suffering were beyond the help of any medication. Plus the suffering drew me closer to God and gave me a ministry.

Really, this whole post is off track, because it assumes the Health and Wealth gospel - that we deserve to live a life that is healthy and wealthy. That Job was entitled to a perfect life because of his actions. But that is not the promise of God.

The promise of God is to be transformed.

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

Like all the metaphors in the Old Testament about being refined as silver and gold, refining is a lengthy and has many harsh and painful steps. God shapes us through suffering, and also through many other things.

The book of Job is NOT about sin. It is about how to walk with God in spite of pain and suffering. And of course, the meta-narrative of God versus Satan.
The suffering spoken of in the bible has nothing to do with sickness. That goes contrary to scripture. If that is true then Jesus suffered in vain, and God is working against Himself. Sickness is the result of a curse, the thing we are suppose to be redeemed from, it is not a blessing from God. The suffering spoken of in the bible has more to do with persecution from others.
 
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They are not negative responses, it is you who have taken the verses out of context, see what God says to Job's friends at the end:

ob 42:7 And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.
Job 42:8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has."
Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD commanded them; for the LORD had accepted Job.
Greybeard you do relize Job WITHDREW ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOB IN JOB 42 do you not....

Wait let me explain what Job does in Job 42.... Job realized HE KNEW NOTHING of the things he said in the whole book of Job. THE WHOLE BOOK JOB WAS SILLY TO SAY ALL HE SAID....

That is why he says in JOB 42... I ABHORE..... Graybeard i will explain what I ABHORE means.... It means... I WITHDARW ALL I SAID, BECASUE I DID NOT UDERSTAND WHAT I SAID.... Got it?. Job says to Greaybeard... HEY YOU SOUTH AFRICAN MAN, I WITHDRAW ALL I SAID IN THE BOOK OF JOB.... FROM JOB 1:1 TO JOB 42:6.... I even ABHORE MYSELF AND REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES.... PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE A SINGLE OWRD I SAID IN THE BOOK OF JOB... I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN I WROTE THE BOOK OF JOB (MY DIARY) BUT NOW I SAW GOD, AND HE IS NOT CLOSE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE REST OF THE BOOK..... HE DOES NOT HOLD COUNCIL WITH EVEN A MAN LIKE ME, LET ALONE SATAN....
 
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Know1 I thought I was the only one that realized Job did not have a clue what he said in HIS DIARY of the whole book of Job...

God says in Corinthians HE (THE GOD OF LIGHT) has NO COMMUNION with the DARKNESS (Satan) NONE! Then why did God lie to us to talk to Satan about Job.... Except if Job did not understand.... God does not talk to Satan.... NOT AT ALL....


And the petty would come with... But Jesus was tempted by satan in the desert... Yes! HE WAS... But Jesus as the Son of God is not in the same glory AS GOD THE FATHER IN HEAVEN... that is why Jesus became man, in a LESSER glory. Read JOhn 17 to understand the Glory Jesus had before the earth was made and the Glory he had as man...


And as the GODLY MAN He was tempted with the PURPOSE TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU ARE TEMPTED.... He says so Himself...

So do not get confused think now people.... Why would God speak to Satan?
 
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Cobus;1248646]Greybeard you do relize Job WITHDREW ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOB IN JOB 42 do you not....
No Cobus, Job repented of the things he had said in his affliction, he did NOT withdraw the WHOLE book! read what he said to God:

Job 42:3 You asked, 'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
Job 42:4 Listen, please, and let me speak; You said, 'I will question you, and you shall answer Me.'
Job 42:5 "I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You.
Job 42:6 Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes."

Wait let me explain what Job does in Job 42.... Job realized HE KNEW NOTHING of the things he said in the whole book of Job. THE WHOLE BOOK JOB WAS SILLY TO SAY ALL HE SAID....
I agree to a certain point, he was NOT saying the WHOLE book was silly, it is silly to think that.
That is why he says in JOB 42... I ABHORE..... Graybeard i will explain what I ABHORE means.... It means... I WITHDARW ALL I SAID, BECASUE I DID NOT UDERSTAND WHAT I SAID.... Got it?. Job says to Greaybeard... HEY YOU SOUTH AFRICAN MAN, I WITHDRAW ALL I SAID IN THE BOOK OF JOB.... FROM JOB 1:1 TO JOB 42:6.... I even ABHORE MYSELF AND REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES.... PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE A SINGLE OWRD I SAID IN THE BOOK OF JOB... I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN I WROTE THE BOOK OF JOB (MY DIARY) BUT NOW I SAW GOD, AND HE IS NOT CLOSE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE REST OF THE BOOK..... HE DOES NOT HOLD COUNCIL WITH EVEN A MAN LIKE ME, LET ALONE SATAN....
You are twisting what Job was meaning when he spoke, and besides, we do not know for certain who the author was, you cannot say it was Job's diary, that's absurd, if he did write all that and then regretted it as you say...he would simply have tossed it away!
 
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wordhelpsme

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I Love Job and can learn allot from his temperament.

Job's character is to be admired. He was upright, a man of integrity, God fearing and he shunned what was bad. Job 1:1

He went beyond what was required. He made sacrifices for his children, just in case they sinned in their hearts against Jehovah God. Job 1:5

Because of his righteousness, God protected him. This did not go unnoticed by God's enemy and ours, Satan the Devil. Job 1:6-10; 2:1-8

Why Job Suffered

Job became a target of Satan because of his godly devotion. Satan claimed that Job only worshipped God because he was rewarded and protected. In this special case, to provide an answer to Satan's accusation, God allowed Satan's test.

In one day Satan caused Job to lose everything but his wife and his integrity. He held fast to his love and respect for Jehovah. Job 1:21, 22


Because Job held to his integrity and love for God he was given more than he had in the beginning and will have twice as many children in the resurrection. He died old and satisfied. Job 42:16-17

What we learned

Job proved Satan a liar. Satan was merciless. When one test did not work he tried another. His test can be severe and he has no compassion.

All humans face tests at one time or another. As Job did we can hold fast to our integrity and make our Creators heart rejoice. (Proverbs 27:11)

Though God allows trials, he is not the one testing our integrity. (James 1:13) The real enemy is Satan the Devil. (1Peter 5:8) God will never let us be tested beyond what is bearable and will leave a way out. 1 Corinthians 10:13

God can undo all the wickedness caused by Satan. He has the power to resurrect and restore. Our faith and love for him will bring everlasting results in the future. Job 40:12-15; Revelation 21:3, 4



 
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The Issue of Job’s Integrity
The book of Job draws back the veil of invisibility, and we are provided a view of a meeting of angels that took place before God in heaven. There God reminds Satan, who is also present, that there is “no one like Job in the earth, a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad.” (Job 1:8) Clearly, an issue exists that involves Job’s integrity. But it is not a new one. The issue was implied when Satan turned Adam and Eve away from God and, in effect, said: ‘Just give me the chance, and I can turn anybody away from serving you.’—Genesis 3:1-6. And the test continues today!!! That is why at Proverbs 27:11 we are encouraged: “Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me.” The fight for the Faith continues!!!!!!


(Ephesians 6:10, 11) [SUP]10[/SUP] Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. [SUP]11[/SUP] Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil. . .
 
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Greybeard as long as you kick against the pricks the Word shall not open up.... have fun wrestling with God, I lost LONG ago.

Tell me does your HOLY GOD talk with Satan... IN HIS HEAVEN? Where only HOLY is allowed... Did God not THROW HIM OUT AND BANNED HIM?... What happened when people build a tower to do the same? God allowed it right? NEVER! Babel did NOT WORK.

The heaven is called HOLY HABITATION..... God will be leing if Satan had access.... Satan CONNOT be holy, and heaven CANNOT be unholy, not for a second.... And with this I close the subject, you keep on arguing with God and His Word...
 

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The suffering spoken of in the bible has nothing to do with sickness. That goes contrary to scripture. If that is true then Jesus suffered in vain, and God is working against Himself. Sickness is the result of a curse, the thing we are suppose to be redeemed from, it is not a blessing from God. The suffering spoken of in the bible has more to do with persecution from others.
So the Health and Wealth gospel or Prosperity gospel says. Except in those days, they didn't have modern medicine. Everyone suffered sooner or later, from rotten teeth to a multitude of diseases. This assumption of living a perfect life with perfect health is a heresy from the pit of hell, spawned by the devil.

It is shameful to think that Job's sufferings did not include health. What do you call sitting in an ash heap scraping the sores off of his body??

"So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And he took a piece of broken pottery with which to scrape himself while he sat in the ashes.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips." Job 2:7-10

God is allowed to test us, and shape and mold us any way he wants! It is an insult to Christians who are ill and suffering to claim that God cannot bless us through suffering. Besides my own experiences with severe Rheumatoid Arthritis, I am a chaplain in long term care. I have met more people who are blessed with the joy of the Lord, in spite of multiple illnesses like cancer, polio and stroke. When you come face to face with pain and your own mortality, it helps you draw closer to the Lord than any false gospel about God giving us all our wants, and that includes a healthy life. When you get sick, I pray it will not draw you away from God, full of disappointment that God has not healed you. Instead, count it all joy!

"Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;

I have tried you in the furnace of affliction.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it,
for how should my name be profaned?
My glory I will not give to another." Isa. 48:10-11
 

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So the Health and Wealth gospel or Prosperity gospel says. Except in those days, they didn't have modern medicine. Everyone suffered sooner or later, from rotten teeth to a multitude of diseases. This assumption of living a perfect life with perfect health is a heresy from the pit of hell, spawned by the devil.

Try telling that to my wife whose great family members died without ever being sick even at the time of there death. They would call in family members to let them know that Jesus was going to take them home at a certain time and when all were present, their relatives faces would light up and ask if they can see Jesus. Then they would die. Just like that, no pain, and no suffering.
If you people would stop following your natural minds, the way of the world, and the ways of your church, you might actually believe what is written over what the rest of the world is experiencing.
 
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Try telling that to my wife whose great family members died without ever being sick even at the time of there death. They would call in family members to let them know that Jesus was going to take them home at a certain time and when all were present, their relatives faces would light up and ask if they can see Jesus. Then they would die. Just like that, no pain, and no suffering.
If you people would stop following your natural minds, the way of the world, and the ways of your church, you might actually believe what is written over what the rest of the world is experiencing.
Ok, you need to testify these events to us. If this is your testimony, do not worry about what happened to Job, tell us what YOU have witnessed. Start a new thread about prophecy. I'm not sure why you are attacking others for "following their natural minds", so you should also explain this doctrine to us.
There are many nations being represented here. The people on CC are mostly here to find out what the "rest of the world" is experiencing. If your testimony is true, then I'm sure there are others here that can attest to it.
 

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It is shameful to think that Job's sufferings did not include health. What do you call sitting in an ash heap scraping the sores off of his body??
I was not referring to Job's suffering, but that which you believe Christians should suffer for Christ. Sickness is not for the glory of God, nor is it uplifting to anyone who is sick. What it may do is cause a person to look to God for comfort.

God is allowed to test us, and shape and mold us any way he wants! It is an insult to Christians who are ill and suffering to claim that God cannot bless us through suffering.
It is an insult to God to tell Him that He is a liar and that the things Jesus did on the cross, that is to set you free from sickness, which is one of the works of the devil, were worthless or without power.
I'm not trying to tear anyone down, nor am I trying to offend, but sometimes the truth hurts, yet it still needs to be known if the person wants healing and/or deliverance. People may not like it to hear that God heals when they are not, but I'm not the one who started saying this...God is.
If you chose to be sick, have at it, more power and sickness to you. If that is your good news gospel, and that is where your faith is, then that is exactly what you will have. I'm sorry you and others are sick or have some disease, but I refuse to believe something because I failed to get healed or because of other's experiences. Experience tells me that most people don't know what their rights are in Christ Jesus, nor how to obtain it. Experience also tells me that if a person does not want to hear something, whether it be truth or lie, the same is rejected along with the messenger.

Besides my own experiences with severe Rheumatoid Arthritis, I am a chaplain in long term care. I have met more people who are blessed with the joy of the Lord, in spite of multiple illnesses like cancer, polio and stroke. When you come face to face with pain and your own mortality, it helps you draw closer to the Lord than any false gospel about God giving us all our wants, and that includes a healthy life. When you get sick, I pray it will not draw you away from God, full of disappointment that God has not healed you. Instead, count it all joy!
I didn't say people couldn't turn a sour situation around for the glory of God. But being sick or having a disease of whatever, does not glorify God or His Son.
If what I am saying is false, then God would not back up that which I believe, for God would not back up or support a lie. Right? But if I get the things I pray for because of the promises of God that I am standing on, then why, or should I ask, how can you condemn it? Don't you know that it is according to your faith? If a congregation is taught that Jesus only saves but does not heal, you will see people getting saved and very few getting healed. But start teach the same congregation about healing and you will start seeing more getting healed.
I have been sick before, and sometimes I got my healing and sometimes, not. But you can chose to believe experiences or the word of God. What you base your faith in will be your foundation. I chose to put my foundation deep in the rock.
 

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Ok, you need to testify these events to us. If this is your testimony, do not worry about what happened to Job, tell us what YOU have witnessed. Start a new thread about prophecy. I'm not sure why you are attacking others for "following their natural minds", so you should also explain this doctrine to us.
There are many nations being represented here. The people on CC are mostly here to find out what the "rest of the world" is experiencing. If your testimony is true, then I'm sure there are others here that can attest to it.

Again, I mean no offense to anyone, but it matters not to me if anyone can attest to what I am saying or not. This is not about experiences. It's about the truth of the word of God. You have to believe something first before you will see it. I'm not attacking anyone, but I am attacking a doctrine that is damaging to the body of Christ, I am, at the same time, proclaiming what I believe to be, the truth of God.
To me, it is simple, clear, and more than obvious. However, if a person is set in their ways, their heart will be blinded. Also, if a person is full, they will reject any more food offered to them.
 
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God did not pick the fight with satan, satan was the instigator.
 

know1

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God did not pick the fight with satan, satan was the instigator.

Are you saying God didn't know what the devil was like or that He didn't know what he would try to do when He knows the end from the beginning?