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I was curious whether you understood the context of John 3:3 in your first reply.
But its okay, you are free not to share.
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Then you should read Luke chapter 3,1-2.I don't recall reading before in the old testament about anyone being babtised. How or why did John started baptising? The scripture did not say he received a command or revelation from God to do so.
Since salvation is apart of being born again under the new covenant, why was it being done before the death of Jesus Christ?
In the Old Testament, circumcision was the covenant sign rather than baptism, and represented a covenant with God - a new man. I think God must have given John the command to baptise, as although the Israelites were circumcised in flesh, mostly their hearts were calloused and uncircumcised. John was preparing the way for the coming king Jesus, preaching repentance and providing baptism to symbolise the required changing of the heart.I don't recall reading before in the old testament about anyone being babtised. How or why did John started baptising? The scripture did not say he received a command or revelation from God to do so.
John's was a baptism of repentance, whereas those baptised into Christ are baptised with the Holy Spirit. I believe that by Jesus being baptised, it is an example that Christians can't argue against. If John hadn't been baptising (and Jesus therefore wasn't baptised), perhaps many Christians might argue that baptism is not a Christian symbol?Since salvation is apart of being born again under the new covenant, why was it being done before the death of Jesus Christ?
As stated in the scripture below, God makes no distinction between Jews and Gentiles they received the same gospel message through the mouth of Peter. Peter further stated that both groups would be saved in the same way.Under the gospel of the kingdom preached to Israel only, water baptism is a requirement for salvation.
Jesus gave that specific command regardless of whether the hearers understood at that time to whom He was referring. The actions or Acts of the Apostles makes it clear exactly who Jesus was referring to.Gentiles are included in the "all nations." is one of the popular misinterpretations of the Matthew's version of the GC.
Peter's response to Cornelius in Acts 10:28 and his explanation to the Jewish believers in Acts 11 would make no sense, if that was how Matthew 28 was to be understood.
Obeying God's command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is a necessary component of the NT spiritual rebirth. It has nothing to do with the good works required to receive rewards when one enters eternity.So in the end, do you agree that good works are for rewards, but our salvation does not depend on works?
That is really the key in this discussion.
The New Testament water baptism differed from all OT washings; mikveh, etc. It was a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:4) John's baptism as it was called later required the use of the name of the Lord Jesus Christ after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. (Luke 24:47) A bible search of each water baptism recorded will attest to this truth.Baptism, in one form or another, was part of the Jewish way for a long time before John the Baptist. You can "search" the history of baptism to get some info/scriptural references I suppose.
Obeying God's command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is a necessary component of the NT spiritual rebirth. It has nothing to do with the good works required to receive rewards when one enters eternity.
As stated in the scripture below, God makes no distinction between Jews and Gentiles they received the same gospel message through the mouth of Peter. Peter further stated that both groups would be saved in the same way.
This truth is seen in Acts 2 and 10. Each group received the infilling of the Holy Ghost and were then commanded to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:7-8
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 15:10
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Precious friend, some of us are Not arguing Against anything, simply pointing outJohn's was a baptism of repentance, whereas those baptised into Christ are baptised with the Holy Spirit. I believe that by Jesus being baptised, it is an example that Christians can't argue against. If John hadn't been baptising (and Jesus therefore wasn't baptised), perhaps many Christians might argue that baptism is not a Christian symbol?
Obedience to God's commands directly associated with the NT spiritual rebirth differ from works associated with the OT law. I believe many confuse the two. The bible records repentance is a necessary component of one's salvation. And all must receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost.But water baptism is still a work in your view, correct?
If so, what you believe is that water baptism is a necessary work to be saved.
I'm not sure your point. I agree the Gentiles were grafted in.That only happened after the fall of Israel in Acts 7.
Prior to that, Israel was still God's favored nation and gentiles needed to enter the covenant thru Israel.