Why do so many Christians end up in Hell?

[Lightskin]

Welcome to our community.
I think if a redeemed reborn person thinks they are still a sinner then they are not actually redeemed in Christ. And the Holy Spirit cannot dwell within them.

If we are still sinners , what was accomplished in our repentance and redemption from sin?
Those redeemed in Christ are dead to sin and alive in righteousness. By Jesus stripes we are healed. If we are still sinners then Jesus died for naught.

Psst, here’s a well known secret. You’re a sinner; always have been; always will be. Doesn’t mean you’re evil, it just means you’re not perfect. You never have been; you never will be while in the flesh.

 

[Lightskin]

God never fails... But people.. For whatever reason, can and do abandon the faith and fall away from the truth..

It makes sense that people can walk away from salvation, however, God’s ways are not our ways, and God remains faithful even when we don’t.

 

[garee]

Matthew 13: 37-43. Jesus isn’t playing around.

What did you mean he is not playing around?

 

[Whispered]

Psst, here’s a well known secret. You’re a sinner; always have been; always will be. Doesn’t mean you’re evil, it just means you’re not perfect. You never have been; you never will be while in the flesh.

Psst, I appreciate that is part of your faith.

 

[Lightskin]

Psst, I appreciate that is part of your faith.

And your reality.

 

[Whispered]

And your reality.

That is not what I stated. Please, I pray you not presume to add to my posts what I myself did not.

 

[Lightskin]

That is not what I stated. Please, I pray you not presume to add to my posts what I myself did not.

Im telling you that you are a sinner. That’s reality whether you admit or not, whether you like it or not. Don’t hate the messenger.

 

[Lightskin]

What did you mean he is not playing around?

Hell exists for nonChristians.

 

[Whispered]

Im telling you that you are a sinner. That’s reality whether you admit or not, whether you like it or not. Don’t hate the messenger.

I love the messenger, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I am rebuking your putting words in my mouth and speaking errant words concerning that which my Savior died to guarantee.

“Everyone that has been born from God does not go on doing sinning because his seed remains in him; and he is not able to go on sinning because he has been born of God”

 

[Lightskin]

I love the messenger, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I am rebuking your putting words in my mouth and speaking errant words concerning that which my Savior died to guarantee.

“Everyone that has been born from God does not go on doing sinning because his seed remains in him; and he is not able to go on sinning because he has been born of God”

“Go on sinning” pertains to embracing decadent lifestyles which is far different than not walking in perfection. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. You and I have that in common with each other.

Another thing we have in common with each other is that we are both sinners, aka, not walking in perfection while still drawing breath on this side of Heaven.

 

[OneOfHis]

1 john 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

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10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Romans 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

2 Corinthians 1:22 - Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ

Romans8

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[OneOfHis]

“Go on sinning” pertains to embracing decadent lifestyles which is far different than not walking in perfection. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. You and I have that in common with each other.

Another thing we have in common with each other is that we are both sinners, aka, not walking in perfection while still drawing breath on this side of Heaven.

Romans 7
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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1 John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


(Philippians 3
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith)


4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[Whispered]

“Go on sinning” pertains to embracing decadent lifestyles which is far different than not walking in perfection. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. You and I have that in common with each other.

Another thing we have in common with each other is that we are both sinners, aka, not walking in perfection while still drawing breath on this side of Heaven.

Please understand what the scriptures actually tell you about being reborn as a new creation in Christ. The old is put away the new is arrived. The old was the sinner trapped in the damnation of their sins. The new is not a sinner as before.
When we are redeemed in Christ the Father forgives our sins and no longer remembers them as that which would be held against us at the judgment.
If as you insist we are still sinners, we would then not only not be a new creation in Christ, making the passage I shared above a lie, we would be condemned still and God would account our transgressions still.

No reborn Christian makes a habit of sinning. When we transgress what we know is God's will for us, we recognize that, which we as sinners prior did not, and repent of that. To still think we are as we were before , a sinner, is error. If we were then we would not have been reborn as a new creation in Christ. And the Holy Spirit would not reside in us.
What I read you defending and believing for yourself is your path.
What I read you defending and believing for yourself is that you are still a sinner who sins.

What Jesus teaches us is quite different. We are justified in Him, meaning all our past sins are covered. This leads to immeasurable joy and a sense of peace. We are complete and perfect the instant we are a made a possession of God's grace. An that has nothing to do with our work or efforts. It is based solely on the merit of Christ and the irrevocable gift of God's grace to us.

The Book of 2nd Corinthians chapter 5 and verse 17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

To see yourself and identify yourself as a sinner is to overcome the passion for which Jesus died. You are not that anymore. You are a new creation, washed clean of your former self that is now dead. While the new creation in Christ arose as did Jesus from death, which is what the state of being a sinner is, death, into a glorified body indwelt by the sacred and holy spirit of God who shall guide you unto all truth. Read the Book of Ephesians chapter 2 and with attention to verse 18.
That was not who you were prior. Who you were before was a citizen of this world dead in your sin.
The Book of Hebrews chapter 10
10:1 He proveth that the sacrifices of the Law were imperfect, 2 because they were yearly renewed. 5 But that the sacrifice of Christ is one, and perpetual, 6 he proveth by David’s testimony: 19 Then he addeth an exhortation, 29 and severely threateneth them that reject the grace of Christ. 36 In the end he praiseth patience, 38 that cometh of faith.
1 For [a]the law having the shadow of good things to [b]come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices, which they offer year by year continually, sanctify the comers thereunto.
2 For would they not then have ceased to have been offered, because that the offerers once purged, should have had no more conscience of sins?

and verses 12 through 14
12 But this man after he had offered one sacrifice for sins, sitteth forever at the right hand of God,13 [i]And from henceforth tarrieth, till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For with one offering hath he consecrated forever them that are sanctified.

Footnotes:

1. [a]Hebrews 10:1 He preventeth a privy objection. Why then were those sacrifices offered? The Apostle answereth first touching that yearly sacrifice which was the solemnest of all, wherein (saith he) there was made every year a remembrance again of all former sins. Therefore that sacrifice had no power to sanctify: for to what purpose should those sins which are purged be repeated again, and wherefore should new sins come to be repeated every year, if those sacrifices did abolish sin?
2. Hebrews 10:1 Of things which are everlasting, which were promised to the Fathers, and exhibited in Christ.
3. Hebrews10:13 He preventeth a privy objection, to wit, that yet notwithstanding we are subject to sin and death, whereunto the Apostle answereth, that the full efficacy of Christ’s virtue hath not yet showed itself, but shall at length appear when he will at once put to flight all his enemies, with whom as yet we strive.
   

God the Father forgives all our trespasses. What are we to say we continue to trespass against God when his word says otherwise? Why speak as the old dead sinner in the world, when you are a new reborn consecrated for all time creation sanctified in Christ?

The Book of Colossians chapter 3 and verses 2 through 3, "Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God."

And that transformation was not anything you did. It was all predestined by our precious Father. The Book of Ephesians chapter 1
We are reconciled unto the Father through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross who there took the sins of the world, that would be our own sins, upon himself. We were not reconciled when we were sinners dead in our sin and separated from the Father.

Read the Book of 2nd Corinthians chapter 5 and particularly verse 18. Also, the Book of Colossians chapter 1 and particularly verses 14 and 20. And, the Book of Romans chapter 5 and with attention to verse 10.

Seek ye and know your position in Christ. You will be highly blessed for taking the time. I promise.

 

[Whispered]

1 john 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

__________

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I'm going to comment on this as that was the first of your post.
In these times I think it incumbent for those who are in Christ to seek understanding beyond their own when reading scripture. If we read those two verses as is we think those redeemed in Christ are being told they're still sinners. That's not the proper understanding intended nor is it the language used to afford that understanding.
"If..." , is the key word there.
That is why the study of the word as intended to be understood in grammatical phraseology is vital I think.
Lastly, your posts would come across as more genuine if rather than cut and paste of scripture you would enter the discussion with your personal remarks. Otherwise your posts are of no use because they do not ascribe context.
Are you familiar with the member, MessageOfTheCross? They also post in the same way here.


Source for this excerpt: https://beta.biblegateway.com/resources/ivp-nt/Atonement-Christ
The Atonement of Christ (1:6—2:2)

• The Incompatibility of Light and Darkness (1:6-7)

These verses contain six if-clauses. Three of them (vv. 6, 8, 10) are claims that the author views as false deductions to draw from the belief that God is light. These claims may be slogans or summaries of the position of the dissidents who have left the fellowship. Apparently each claim is based on the assumption that if God is perfect light, then those who are God's children are perfect light as well. While the secessionists may echo the author's teaching, they distort it at crucial points.

Although John speaks in the first person plural ("we"), this does not necessarily imply that any of his readers, those who have remained faithful, are actually making such claims. Rather, he is using a rhetorical device to make vivid the danger of adopting this viewpoint: "Now imagine if we were to say. . . ." To each of these false statements, then, John advances a theological counterclaim (1:7, 9; 2:1). Each counterclaim consists of two parts: first, he refutes the secessionists' claim to be with out sin, to be light as God is light; second, he affirms the importance of the atoning work of Christ for the sinner. Indeed, these two are integrally related, for to deny one's sin is ultimately to deny the need for Christ's atonement.

 

[OneOfHis]

I'm going to comment on this as that was the first of your post.
In these times I think it incumbent for those who are in Christ to seek understanding beyond their own when reading scripture. If we read those two verses as is we think those redeemed in Christ are being told they're still sinners. That's not the proper understanding intended nor is it the language used to afford that understanding.
"If..." , is the key word there.
That is why the study of the word as intended to be understood in grammatical phraseology is vital I think.
Lastly, your posts would come across as more genuine if rather than cut and paste of scripture you would enter the discussion with your personal remarks. Otherwise your posts are of no use because they do not ascribe context.
Are you familiar with the member, MessageOfTheCross? They also post in the same way here.


Source for this excerpt: https://beta.biblegateway.com/resources/ivp-nt/Atonement-Christ
The Atonement of Christ (1:6—2:2)

• The Incompatibility of Light and Darkness (1:6-7)

These verses contain six if-clauses. Three of them (vv. 6, 8, 10) are claims that the author views as false deductions to draw from the belief that God is light. These claims may be slogans or summaries of the position of the dissidents who have left the fellowship. Apparently each claim is based on the assumption that if God is perfect light, then those who are God's children are perfect light as well. While the secessionists may echo the author's teaching, they distort it at crucial points.

Although John speaks in the first person plural ("we"), this does not necessarily imply that any of his readers, those who have remained faithful, are actually making such claims. Rather, he is using a rhetorical device to make vivid the danger of adopting this viewpoint: "Now imagine if we were to say. . . ." To each of these false statements, then, John advances a theological counterclaim (1:7, 9; 2:1). Each counterclaim consists of two parts: first, he refutes the secessionists' claim to be with out sin, to be light as God is light; second, he affirms the importance of the atoning work of Christ for the sinner. Indeed, these two are integrally related, for to deny one's sin is ultimately to deny the need for Christ's atonement.

I can see you are new.
Welcome.


I have been posting context and commentary for years. (Here even, I have recently made this account because I wanted a new username)




The thing is if you believe you do not sin, you are wrong.

You belittle what sin is and elevate yourself.

If you think your "small" sins are any less filthy than someone who is not covered with the blood of Christ and seen as spotless, you are wrong.

This thread is called

"Why do so many Christians end up in Hell?"

But the fact is, not one of God's born again children end up in hell.

If you believe your walk defines wether or not you are His, you are wrong.

He is how we are saved from the just punishment we deserve from when we were His enemies.

Once we are His children, we are kept by His power.

If you are trying to make the habitual sin compared to occasional sin argument, that is weak.

If you fail at one point you are guilty of all.

A better difference to point at between when we were His enemies to when we became sons, would be the change of heart (His works in us) opposed to the changes that can be seen by man with limited knowledge and vision. (our own works)


While enemies -> bound by sin and love it, find joy in it, work towards gaining the things we desire without the feeling of failure...


While sons -> freed from sin through Him, hate it, regret it, find pain in it, pray for deliverance from it



Hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
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As sons already, we will still sin.
God does not need to chasten one who does not make mistakes. (and it would not be a mistake if we didn't submit to His righteousness)

The verses you danced around before you posted towards my comment directed at a brother explain our new nature, our old nature but how as new creatures our assurance rests in our Savior Jesus Christ.

Not our walk or the things man can see like so many like to point to.

 

[Whispered]

I can see you are new.
Welcome.


I have been posting context and commentary for years. (Here even, I have recently made this account because I wanted a new username)




The thing is if you believe you do not sin, you are wrong.

You belittle what sin is and elevate yourself.

If you think your "small" sins are any less filthy than someone who is not covered with the blood of Christ and seen as spotless, you are wrong.

This thread is called

"Why do so many Christians end up in Hell?"

But the fact is, not one of God's born again children end up in hell.

If you believe your walk defines wether or not you are His, you are wrong.

He is how we are saved from the just punishment we deserve from when we were His enemies.

Once we are His children, we are kept by His power.

If you are trying to make the habitual sin compared to occasional sin argument, that is weak.

If you fail at one point you are guilty of all.

A better difference to point at between when we were His enemies to when we became sons, would be the change of heart (His works in us) opposed to the changes that can be seen by man with limited knowledge and vision. (our own works)


While enemies -> bound by sin and love it, find joy in it, work towards gaining the things we desire without the feeling of failure...


While sons -> freed from sin through Him, hate it, regret it, find pain in it, pray for deliverance from it



Hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
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As sons already, we will still sin.
God does not need to chasten one who does not make mistakes. (and it would not be a mistake if we didn't submit to His righteousness)

The verses you danced around before you posted towards my comment directed at a brother explain our new nature, our old nature but how as new creatures our assurance rests in our Savior Jesus Christ.

Not our walk or the things man can see like so many like to point to.

I think I touched a nerve. That was not my intent. Unlike your response my post had no malice in it. Yes, I am new. And therefore I can only go by what your new name, as you admit you have here, posts thus far.
My remarks concerning sin are from the words of my Father.
I will not respond to the rest of your comments nor seek your offering here in future. Your words reflect your soul and they are not born out of love but something other. That is not my way.

 

[OneOfHis]

I think I touched a nerve. That was not my intent. Unlike your response my post had no malice in it. Yes, I am new. And therefore I can only go by what your new name, as you admit you have here, posts thus far.
My remarks concerning sin are from the words of my Father.
I will not respond to the rest of your comments nor seek your offering here in future. Your words reflect your soul and they are not born out of love but something other. That is not my way.

No my words are out of love, I want the best for you.

For you to not know me, then compare me to someone while lacking in knowledge and try to make the same point I have made in my last 10 posts or so about context being important... was definitely condescending. (not to mention the way your spoke to brother lightskin)

I am not at all upset with you, and I have not had a drop of malice in my heart in years.

😏

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well i disagree on this point.. Some people do fall away.. To fall away from the Faith one must have been at some stage in the Faith.. You cannot fall away from something that you have never been apart of...

You can disagree all yu want, god does not make mistakes

My god is omniscient, yours must not be

 

[Adstar]

You can disagree all yu want, god does not make mistakes

My god is omniscient, yours must not be

My God is perfect and His WORD is truth.. When it says people shall fall away I believe it and trust that His word is Truth.. I place his Word over and above the doctrines developed by men like Calvin..

 

[TLC209]

Thats salvation

the person who builds their house on Christ will never fall. Because the house can not be tore down (it does not mean they will nto sin, it means they will never fall completely away where their salvation is gone)

Its the people who build it on the sand, religion, works, laws, rules, etc etc, who fall when a major storm comes, because their faith, which is non existent, can not withstand.

I understand what your are saying about the building on sand. But Jesus clealy says it is those who hear but do not "do" or "obey" what they hear. So although I understand what you are interpreting in this scripture, the bible is teaching that those who do not obey fall into this category.

This does not imply a persons salvation. There are many who have heard the gospel and suffer trials, and you are correct their faith may not be strong enough, but this does not mean they are not still being molded by God. Does not mean that they will not finish the good race.

You can label groups and religious beliefs or put people into categories but the scripture is for all who hear and do no obey. The storms come and everything is in great ruin. As opposed to those who follow what the bible teaches and stand firm on the Word those can have asurance of Gods faithfulness to stay true to His Word. Anyone else faces ruin.

Once again this has nothing to do whether or not someone belongs to God but rather how a person is living their life at any given time. Applies to all believers. We can choose to obey or be in disobedience and suffer. And since you have agreed with Decontravercial about those who are "saved" cannot lose grace, They wouldnt lose their inheritance, they would suffer ruin.

Being a Christian doesnt give us a guaranteed get out of jail free card by having faith in Christ and not doing what the bible teaches. They will suffer just like anyone else and will have to come to repentance and obey God. They would have built on sand and go thru the consequences but God will always be there to pick us up, forgive us and recieve us with open arms.

To anyone who has gone through storms and suffered great ruin to not lose or hope or be discouraged. God is great God is merciful. He asks for a repentant heart. He wants our willingness to follow Him and obey Him. He doesnt want us to suffer. There is still hope. Do not believe because you suffered for past decisions that you are not worthy to be a child of God. No one is worthy and we all fall short. Let God lead you.