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Abing

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Okay people, so many of us here say this is wrong, that is wrong, this is right, that is right, YOU are wrong I am right. lol i havent even heard an I am wrong. lol anyways, since almost everyone seemed to know almost everything in the bible, and almost everything is supported by scriptures.

the 1st question is: Did God ask you to say this and that? - (i know this question goes to me as well) how sure are you that you are not misleading people? how sure are you that you hear the voice of God?

God already warned us about false prophets. Who called upon the name of the Lord. His Word said, we will know them by their fruit.

now the 2nd question is: what are your fruits? say God is the apple tree - what are your fruits? do you produce oranges? or do you produce apples but are rotten? the world will be perfect if we all produce good apples lol.

Do I have the right to say this? no. let's say you've read this from something else (billboard for example :D).. how are you gonna answer?
 
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Abing said:
Okay people, so many of us here say this is wrong, that is wrong, this is right, that is right, YOU are wrong I am right. lol i havent even heard an I am wrong. lol anyways, since almost everyone seemed to know almost everything in the bible, and almost everything is supported by scriptures.

the 1st question is: Did God ask you to say this and that? - (i know this question goes to me as well) how sure are you that you are not misleading people? how sure are you that you hear the voice of God?

God already warned us about false prophets. Who called upon the name of the Lord. His Word said, we will know them by their fruit.

now the 2nd question is: what are your fruits? say God is the apple tree - what are your fruits? do you produce oranges? or do you produce apples but are rotten? the world will be perfect if we all produce good apples lol.

Do I have the right to say this? no. let's say you've read this from something else (billboard for example :D).. how are you gonna answer?
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#1 Did God ask me to say this? Yes God has told me to out certain false doctrines such as OSAS/free grace, and pretrib rapture for what they are, and to tell the church of America that they are in a lost state, that they need to repent and come back to the truth of scripture.

#2 How sure are you that you are not misleading people? I am 100% sure that what I have said is the truth of God's word.

#3 How sure are you that you are hearing God's voice? Once again I am 100% sure it is God that I am listening to.
 
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Abing

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#1 Did God ask me to say this? Yes God has told me to out certain false doctrines such as OSAS/free grace, and pretrib rapture for what they are, and to tell the church of America that they are in a lost state, that they need to repent and come back to the truth of scripture.

#2 How sure are you that you are not misleading people? I am 100% sure that what I have said is the truth of God's word.

#3 How sure are you that you are hearing God's voice? Once again I am 100% sure it is God that I am listening to.
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Amen. :) thanx for the response.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Abing said:
Okay people, so many of us here say this is wrong, that is wrong, this is right, that is right, YOU are wrong I am right. lol i havent even heard an I am wrong. lol anyways, since almost everyone seemed to know almost everything in the bible, and almost everything is supported by scriptures.

the 1st question is: Did God ask you to say this and that? - (i know this question goes to me as well) how sure are you that you are not misleading people? how sure are you that you hear the voice of God?

God already warned us about false prophets. Who called upon the name of the Lord. His Word said, we will know them by their fruit.

now the 2nd question is: what are your fruits? say God is the apple tree - what are your fruits? do you produce oranges? or do you produce apples but are rotten? the world will be perfect if we all produce good apples lol.

Do I have the right to say this? no. let's say you've read this from something else (billboard for example :D).. how are you gonna answer?
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I understand what your saying, I have had the same problem!

When people are always right, it's a pride thing!

When someone wants to force an issue, remember love never demands its own way.

The devil got Eve to question what God had said, he twisted it with some of the truth!

Our fight is not against flesh and blood, pray for these people!

Take it to Him, be not troubled by them!

And if you are, pray!

God is sure to move on your faith and trust in Him!

Who knows your prayers for them could get them set free!
 
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#1 Did God ask me to say this? Yes God has told me to out certain false doctrines such as OSAS/free grace, and pretrib rapture for what they are, and to tell the church of America that they are in a lost state, that they need to repent and come back to the truth of scripture.

#2 How sure are you that you are not misleading people? I am 100% sure that what I have said is the truth of God's word.

#3 How sure are you that you are hearing God's voice? Once again I am 100% sure it is God that I am listening to.
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OSAS is not a false doctrine but very much a bibical doctrine . It took the Mercy of God to be applied for me to ever get saved, Mercy and Grace is what our salvation is made up of, and The Word of God says


Tit 3:5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


now to determined how long are we saved, one would have to ask how long would the mercy of God last, so let's turn to man's false doctrine who says that the Mercy of God only lasts while we are perfect , if we sin then God can not apply His mercy any more, I have one question here If the Mercy of God can no longer be applied to a christian when we sin or we walk away from God, then How is mercy ever applied to start with, for God commends His love while we are yet sinners, so man says that the mercy of God is only good when we are good BUT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS .

Ps 100:5For the LORD is good; HIS MERCY is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.Ps 103:11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is HIS MERCY toward them that fear him.Ps 106:1Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 107:1O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:2Let Israel now say, that HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:3Let the house of Aaron now say, that HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:4Let them now that fear the LORD say, that HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:29O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:2O give thanks unto the God of gods: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:3O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:4To him who alone doeth great wonders: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:5To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:6To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:7To him that made great lights: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:8The sun to rule by day: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:9The moon and stars to rule by night: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:10To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:11And brought out Israel from among them: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:12With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:13To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:14And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:15But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:16To him which led his people through the wilderness: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:17To him which smote great kings: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:18And slew famous kings: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:19Sihon king of the Amorites: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:20And Og the king of Bashan: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:21And gave their land for an heritage: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:22Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:23Who remembered us in our low estate: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever:Ps 136:24And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:25Who giveth food to all flesh: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 136:26O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.


Well I don't know about the god you serve but my God says that His mercy endures forever How many times does He have to tell us this before we get it. endures forever that is when I am good, when I am asleep, when I when I am bad, when i please him or when I let Him down By His Mercy I am saved Not by anything I did or anything I( didn't do , sorry you don't have a god who is greater than anything you can do, Maybe you should try mine for the God That I serve, HIS MERCY endureth for ever.
 
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Could i be wrong on some of my doctrinal beliefs? sure i could be, but the only belief that involves the eternal salvation of my soul is accepting Jesus and Him crucified. And that particular one im not wrong about so really all the other' doctrine' doesnt matter a whole lot to me..im saved i know it thats whats important to me . :)
 
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carpetmanswife said:
Could i be wrong on some of my doctrinal beliefs? sure i could be, but the only belief that involves the eternal salvation of my soul is accepting Jesus and Him crucified. And that particular one im not wrong about so really all the other' doctrine' doesnt matter a whole lot to me..im saved i know it thats whats important to me . :)
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That is perfest, now add the following to your understanding of the faith that you have just expressed (2Pt 1:5).

1John 4:8-12 'And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God'.

And all who believe are to understand it exactly the same because they have a witness in themselves, the Holy Spirit. It can't be this way for you and not for me, when we both have believed upon the Son. Isn't that right and doesn't it give you a sound understanding from God and not men?
 
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Aliciaforjesus said:
I understand what your saying, I have had the same problem!

When people are always right, it's a pride thing!

When someone wants to force an issue, remember love never demands its own way.

The devil got Eve to question what God had said, he twisted it with some of the truth!

Our fight is not against flesh and blood, pray for these people!

Take it to Him, be not troubled by them!

And if you are, pray!

God is sure to move on your faith and trust in Him!

Who knows your prayers for them could get them set free!
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im glad :)

carpetmanswife said:
Could i be wrong on some of my doctrinal beliefs? sure i could be, but the only belief that involves the eternal salvation of my soul is accepting Jesus and Him crucified. And that particular one im not wrong about so really all the other' doctrine' doesnt matter a whole lot to me..im saved i know it thats whats important to me . :)
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AMEN!!!


*btw, folks plz stay on topic.if you need to discuss osas again - do it in PMs hehe,
 
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btw, folks plz stay on topic.if you need to discuss osas again - do it in PMs hehe,
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no way, no how , not me, noooo maam :D
 
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watchmen said:
#1 Did God ask me to say this? Yes God has told me to out certain false doctrines such as OSAS/free grace, and pretrib rapture for what they are, and to tell the church of America that they are in a lost state, that they need to repent and come back to the truth of scripture.

#2 How sure are you that you are not misleading people? I am 100% sure that what I have said is the truth of God's word.

#3 How sure are you that you are hearing God's voice? Once again I am 100% sure it is God that I am listening to.
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I think Thaddeus covered the response to this well. And when people attack a central truth in God's Word I have every right to be offended. I dont call it OSAS, I call it If saved, always saved. The church today is in big trouble. Instead of Christians going out into the neighborhoods and streets reaching the lost, they're too busy acting like a business, asking folks for money and deceiving their congregations on phony gospels....And its really easy to see why they wont tell the sinner about sin, but tell them about making a commitment to Christ. Many churches are in to make money, and if they told a sinner they have sinned and are worthy of hell, they think they would lose church attendance=lose money. This is how the deceptive faith healers operate. They are wolves in sheeps clothing, begging for money for their self gain. The church needs to separate from the catholic church too, they are corrupting the body of Christ with unbiblical doctrine and salvation heresy. The Holy Spirit laughter movement which is sweeping through the church today is unbiblical and deceptive based purely on Biblical evidence. People are being deceived on a LARGE scale today.

If you die in your sins without Christ you will regret it for eternity. You cannot partly trust in yourself and Christ and be trusting in the Jesus from the Bible(2 Corinthians 11:3-4). satan is laughing at those who are deceived but I am grieving for you.
 
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I think Thaddeus covered the response to this well. And when people attack a central truth in God's Word I have every right to be offended. I dont call it OSAS, I call it If saved, always saved.
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Yeah that makes a big difference...lol, but you do as I have and respect the request of abing (the O.P.) and not turn this into a OSAS thread, there seems to be enough of them already (Check out the thread you statred it turned into one, seeing how OSAS is one of the biggest deceptions in the church today.)
The church today is in big trouble. Instead of Christians going out into the neighborhoods and streets reaching the lost
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The truly sad thing is there are as many lost within the Church as there is outside of it, and alot of that has to do with your precious OSAS doctrine.
 
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Hopefully I can remember the whole question. The only thing I am certian of is Our Lord. All I do , all I live , all I say, all I love, all I hope for is through faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ the son of God our father and his Holy Spirit. Because of his gifts of faith , hope , love and grace I can be certian that even if I make a mistake Our Father in heaven will make it good. I believe there is scripture about how in our weakness he is glorified. My weakness is quoting scripture, tough time memorizing. God is wonderful though, he has given me a heart of understanding that makes up it. Do I see the fruits? Yes but for me its a fruit basket, lots of variety. The greatest fruit is the one Our Father in Heaven has given to me,to all of us. A love and understanding so great that I often forget that I still have to live in the world. If this is just a glimps, a look through the glass darkly, what awaits us in Heaven is beyond our abuility to describe or understand. God bless, pickles
 
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Okay people, so many of us here say this is wrong, that is wrong, this is right, that is right, YOU are wrong I am right. lol i havent even heard an I am wrong. lol anyways, since almost everyone seemed to know almost everything in the bible, and almost everything is supported by scriptures.

the 1st question is: Did God ask you to say this and that? - (i know this question goes to me as well) how sure are you that you are not misleading people? how sure are you that you hear the voice of God?

God already warned us about false prophets. Who called upon the name of the Lord. His Word said, we will know them by their fruit.

now the 2nd question is: what are your fruits? say God is the apple tree - what are your fruits? do you produce oranges? or do you produce apples but are rotten? the world will be perfect if we all produce good apples lol.

Do I have the right to say this? no. let's say you've read this from something else (billboard for example :D).. how are you gonna answer?
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You go girl! You have such a wonderful heart for the Lord!
 
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