Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

[God4me]

Listened to him many times. Never heard anything off the wall.

Why do the mods allow this attacking of christians???????

JP has said things like, Being holy is a work that is putting us back under the law.
Praying by lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting, isn't a requirement, It's who we are. Yet we know people who aren't holy, who doubt, and get angry.
He said, 1 Jn 1: 9 isn't for the believers, and if we sin, we confess we are the righteousness of God, Whereas 1 Jn 1: 9 says if we sin, we should confess we sin, not confess that we are righteous.
If 1 Jn 1 isn't for the Church, then neither is the rest of 1 Jn, as the Bible wasn't written in Chapter and verse, Plus John includes himself among those in 1 Jn 1: 9. Plus nowhere does the Bible say a sinner has to confess their sins.

 

[bikerchaz]

what has this place come too?

I did not know this place was a place where people could slam, and make accusations (most if not all which have been proven as false accusations all over this chatroom for weeks now by quite a few people) against a person who can not defend his or her self. But a place we are supposed to discuss the word of God.

I agree, we can't go round throwing stones, we are told to love. Besides the fact I have never heard of JP that I can bring to mind. I have come across the phrase "umbrella relationships" that small independent Churches can join to receive help with outreach material and visiting preachers.

I have no opinion one way or another, but I am told to love even to my own hurt. All I want to do is build up the body, empty hell, worship Jesus Christ and one day walk with Him at His side.

I do pray for discernment, and gifts of prophesy and knowledge to help me walk the narrow path and in faith I accept what ever comes my way as being what God wants me to come across, for my own or for others betterment. As for dissing anyone I will try and let the accuser do that, I want no part.

 

[JennaLeanne]

There is so many hurting hearts on this post.. We can recognise a hurting heart by the bitterness and anger towards people... Strong opinions are of the flesh, rooted in pride... A prideful heart is a heart that needs to preserve itself, a heart that can't rest in being wrong.. A heart that needs to be someone or say something.. This is a heart that is crying out for love but is holding on to so much pain... Ya know I read something the other day that said unforgiveness is like drinking poison hoping it will kill the other person.. I pray for softness on each and every heart on this thread (including mine) That we would seek the heart of the father... Only then can we truly know the truth.

We have no right to slander a brother or sister in Christ, Wether anyone agrees with Joseph prince or any other preacher... If u see error then pray for them. It's just noise noise noise... Gongs and cymbals that are making such an ugly din. It dosent sound pretty. It grieves the spirit.

I say all this in love to us as a whole. The body of christ. Any attack or negative towards this what I have wrote will highlight the condition of hearts for sure... xxx

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Listened to him many times. Never heard anything off the wall.

Why do the mods allow this attacking of christians???????

The devil is in the details. Have you heard him teach on Mother Grace?

 

[Zmouth]

He said, 1 Jn 1: 9 isn't for the believers, and if we sin, we confess we are the righteousness of God, Whereas 1 Jn 1: 9 says if we sin, we should confess we sin, not confess that we are righteous.

.John 9:31

If 1 Jn 1 isn't for the Church, then neither is the rest of 1 Jn, as the Bible wasn't written in Chapter and verse, Plus John includes himself among those in 1 Jn 1: 9.

2 Cor 5:7

Plus nowhere does the Bible say a sinner has to confess their sins.

Luke 11:13

So in conclusion,

John 20:22

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Those who defend those who are destroying the body of Christ and not speaking out against their evil will give account to Christ personally for their betrayal of him on the day of judgment. This is a sword that cuts both ways: receive a false prophet, receive his reward.

​“The one who receives you receives me, and the one who receives me receives the one who sent me. The one who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and the one who receives a righteous person in the name of a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. Matthew 10:40-41

Everyone who goes too far and does not remain in the teaching of Christ does not have God. The one who remains in the teaching—this person has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into [your] house and do not speak a greeting to him, because the one who speaks a greeting to him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11​

 

[Grace777x70]

Taken from the link in the OP

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(The above was my pet peeve against the 'Princetonian' movement.)

I'm quite surprised by many here that would want to shut up the ones who believe they are warning against false teachers.

One of the duties of a Christian is to give warning of wolves approaching; yet we have 'sheep' who disdain the warnings and rather side with the aberrant teachers.

If a person is convicted a teacher/teaching is false and lays out documentation supporting such claim, as did the OP, is your response to personally attack the crier or bring forth a reasonable rebuttal?

Look up the word 'warn' in a concordance...it is Scriptural.

I said this was my last post on this thread but I need to let the truth of this come out so that people can make an informed view. People are allowed to agree to disagree but to call it heresy is clearly wrong and divisive.

Let's hear it from what believers in the grace of God say about confession and not from a self-proclaimed heretic hunter who doesn't agree that our sins are all forgiven by the blood of Jesus. This below is what Joseph Prince and others that teach on the grace of God actually say about confession.

Objection #4: Hyper-Grace Preachers Are Against Confession of Sin

This is one of the most common misrepresentations of hyper-grace theology. The Biblical term “to confess” simply means “to speak the same thing as” or “to agree with.” We teach that confession is important because we should yield our minds to agreement with God about everything He reveals – including, but not limited to, sin.

What we often also teach (and this is where the rub is with some people) is that confession is not about triggering any transaction between us and God that would issue forth more forgiveness, as though God were dispensing forgiveness in various doses based upon our confessions. Forgiveness of sin is something that was provided objectively ONE time by ONE act of grace through ONE Savior who shed His blood on the cross for us 2000 years ago. As the book of Hebrews repeatedly emphasizes, He is the “once for all” sacrifice for sin.

Confession of sin then, is about humility and walking in agreement with God – not about getting more forgiveness from Him. Some will suggest that God’s forgiveness is dispensed using a “two-tiered” approach. On one level, they say, God has forgiven our sins judicially and objectively through the cross. On the second tier, however, we need to confess our sins in order to receive “relational” or“experiential” forgiveness in order to maintain close fellowship with God.

This two-tiered approach is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and has only been popularized because of two basic levels of rationale. The first is based upon a misinterpretation of two passages in the New Testament, both of which have been clearly explained in books and sermons by a host of solid gospel teachers. These two passages are Matthew 6:12 (where Jesus appears to be commanding His followers to ask for God’s forgiveness) and 1 John 1:9 (which seems to link forgiveness to confession of sin).

In my book “The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God” I deal with these passages quite clearly, as do other authors such as Bob George, Andrew Farley, Ralph Harris, Paul Ellis, Cathy Hildebrand and Andrew Nelson. I encourage you to investigate these writings for yourself in order to understand the context in which these passages were intended to be understood.

The bottom-line is this. We hyper-grace preachers DO value confession of sin. We also practice confession of sin in our own lives. However, we understand confession to be about agreeing with God concerning the foolishness of our sin rather than begging for forgiveness based upon a humanly-invented two-tiered approach to somehow "maintaining close fellowship" with Him.

Our fellowship with God was purchased unconditionally and irreversibly by Jesus at the cross. Once we receive that fellowship by simple faith in Christ, it is our eternal possession regardless of our recent performance or track-record. As I’ve written in my book, The Gospel Uncut:

"The way I now approach confession is to simply agree with God about the foolishness of my sin. I admit to Him that my sin hurts me as well as others and that it fails to bring glory to His Name. Often I am sorrowful over the foolishness of my actions. The Apostle Paul wrote that there is a “godly sorrow that brings repentance” (2 Cor. 10:7). When I know I have sinned, I humbly admit that my sinful behavior is out of step with my new nature and identity in Him, and I ask Him to help me rest in His completed work. Now here comes the best part! After agreeing with God about my sin, I begin thanking Him for the fact that this sinful act was already forgiven at the cross. Understanding these realities has literally transformed my practice of confession, changing the experience from a guilt-ridden begging session into a dynamic, worshipful encounter in which my conscious mind (and behavior) is realigned with the grace and truth of Jesus.

So yes! By all means confess your sin to God! Agree with Him about sin and everything else He has revealed. But don’t think of confession as a means of obtaining something that Jesus Christ died “once for all” to secure for you. Remember that confession is about humility and the ongoing renewal of the mind process – and never about getting something from God that is already yours in abundance through the finished work of Christ. If you are a believer in Christ, you are NEVER out of fellowship with God. Fellowship is an identity issue, meaning that you now share "all things in common" with God as a joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17)! This never has been and never will be based upon your behavioral performance and is not something that you must confess sin in order to have reinstated! Because of Christ, you are always clean and God is always close!

Jeremy White August 21 2014
Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Those who defend those who are destroying the body of Christ and not speaking out against their evil will give account to Christ personally for their betrayal of him on the day of judgment. This is a sword that cuts both ways: receive a false prophet, receive his reward.

​“The one who receives you receives me, and the one who receives me receives the one who sent me. The one who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and the one who receives a righteous person in the name of a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. Matthew 10:40-41

Everyone who goes too far and does not remain in the teaching of Christ does not have God. The one who remains in the teaching—this person has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into [your] house and do not speak a greeting to him, because the one who speaks a greeting to him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11​

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

But one of their own said there are no curses.

 

[oldethennew]

many of us will be alive to witness God's Judgment on the miscreants
who represent their own greed...

we must stand apart if we desire the Heart of God in our midst...

 

[God4me]

.John 9:31




2 Cor 5:7





Luke 11:13

So in conclusion,

John 20:22

What is your point??, as none of those scripture have anything to do with what I said.

 

[Willie-T]

Were you marketing a false gospel for your money too?

To me, that's the difference.

And, check the article. It didn't even get into the money part. Strictly about what he preaches.

Are you unable to speak for yourself?

How's that work, again? LOL

BTW, "gospel" isn't just some matters of theology you happen to disagree with.

 

[Depleted]

Lynn, you're itching for a fight, that's obvious. I think I can speak for most here when I say that no one wants to argue for the sake of arguing. I do believe, however, your issue with Prince has little to do with the heresy of WOF, and more to do with his preaching in regard to salvation being a free gift of God's grace.

And that's what you got out of that article and all I've said? You didn't nudge away from truth, you turned around and bolted from it entirely.

I do get a kick out of all that is said, the "defense" for Prince is always about the person who says anything against him. Not one phrase used to actually defend Prince's false gospel, once more a full sentence. All about anyone who dares to bring up Prince in a negative light.

That too doesn't nudge away from truth. That's bolting away. That merely makes the person seem as weaponless as they are. They cannot defend Prince, so they attack those who show why he can't be defended.

So, no. You don't believe that's what I believe, because you've known me for a year now, and know I'm all for salvation through the grace of God. Like I've said often enough, a good lie has some truth in it. You merely hid the lie by bringing up the part with truth in it. What Prince teaches is still a lie. What you said you believe my issue is is also a lie. Either that or you have no idea who I am or what believe means.

That wasn't even a good try to hide the real issues.

 

[Depleted]

Misery loves company, no thank you. I'll be exiting this thread as well.

And await the misery years from now when you realize Price's god isn't real. It's a choice.

What you won't be getting help with is trying to pull new people into Prince's lie while I'm able to show his lies. I'm anti-heaping-misery onto multitudes.

 

[Depleted]

Listened to him many times. Never heard anything off the wall.

Why do the mods allow this attacking of christians???????

90% of a good lie is truth, so you have to listen for the 10%.

He's not a good Christian. He's a heretic. And Mods let this one stay for the same reason they let Olsteen threads stay, and the other threads about other famous heretics.

 

[Depleted]

Taken from the link in the OP

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(The above was my pet peeve against the 'Princetonian' movement.)

I'm quite surprised by many here that would want to shut up the ones who believe they are warning against false teachers.

One of the duties of a Christian is to give warning of wolves approaching; yet we have 'sheep' who disdain the warnings and rather side with the aberrant teachers.

If a person is convicted a teacher/teaching is false and lays out documentation supporting such claim, as did the OP, is your response to personally attack the crier or bring forth a reasonable rebuttal?

Look up the word 'warn' in a concordance...it is Scriptural.

Naive person that I am, I really was expecting supportive info about Prince rather than a barrage of attacks and lies about me.

Naive, ain't I?

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Please provide proof of what Joseph has said.

 

[Depleted]

Joseph Prince isn't a Word of faith man, He is a false grace teacher. He twists the scriptures, twists the Greek, takes scriptures and Greek out of context and deceives 1000s of Biblically ignorant people. No on will ever grow under his ministry, as all he ever teaches is, a false grace message.

Can't he be both?

Honestly, when I first came to the Lord the church was in the midst of a change that I didn't even realize was happening for decades. (And it's still happening.) For quite a few centuries, the church was of the reformed persuasion for obvious reasons. (The Reformation.) And then a few revivals came along that started changing the face of what was commonly held belief. Wesleyism, Arminianism, personal-relationship-with-Godism (although that's a bit tongue in cheek from me.) Pastors shared their beliefs with their families, of course, and, on a not to rare occasion, sons became pastors all the while reading newer and newer books. It came to a head in the 50's-70's. The new pastors were taking some of the old and adding some of the new. They really did cross over from reformed to modernism. BUT they didn't sit back to see which of their beliefs were what they were taught compared to what they found works for them, so it was a mixed bag.

What I didn't catch on to back then was much of what I was being taught from good teachers of the Bible (and they really were good, so no complaints) had it's history in the reformation yet it's feet in modern Christianity. They really were both. It's possible. Matter of fact, it's probable. You believe what you want to believe and dump what you don't. And, Prince has openly said that's what he does. He just hasn't said it in those words, so it really is both.

 

[Depleted]

God is a prosperity Teacher, Are you including Him as well?.
J Prince is a false grace teacher who is one of the last days teachers that will cause many to miss the rapture, with his "Don't have to be holy" teachings.
He said,

, The only thing that you need to go up in the rapture, Is to be alive on earth at that time, Then he said, You don't have to be faithful or holy, just here and alive.
But that's not what the bible says.

I know. Especially since the Bible doesn't teach rapture. If you just have to make this about the rapture, please start your own thread. The least of what Prince teaches that is anti biblical is rapture.

 

[JennaLeanne]

Lynn what is it that you dislike about prince so much?

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Before my Cancer I was a huge believer in healing. After I didn't receive healing was angry at God for not doing what He had promised. So now a few months after my cancer surgery and what not I have really been searching why I didn't get healed. Was it because God is a liar? Was it because God only picks and chooses who He wants to heal? Or was it something I was doing in my life that was preventing the healing of God?

I don't believe God is a liar so I have to throw this one out. I also don't believe scripture backs up that God picks and chooses who He heals. So out of the three I have to conclude that possibly something in my walk with the Lord was preventing my healing. Not one of us are perfect we all allow sin in our lives. Can sin prevent blessings from God? I believe unrepentant sin can hinder our walk with the Lord and keep His blessings from us. This doesn't mean we are going to Hell. I did have unrepentant sin in my life and I needed to deal with this. Could this have kept my healing from happening? It is quite possible and I'm leaning toward this theory. I also believe that God can heal us over time. Did I allow Him to fully heal my tumor? Maybe not. I went and had the surgery so I really didn't give God a chance to work a healing through me. I expected the tumor to just disappear and everything would be ok. I have come to believe that God could use a slower healing for us to get closer to Him and learn to trust on the Lord.

So anyways I don't believe prosperity preachers are in error. Well there might be some whack jobs out there but I don't think we can lump all of these ministers into one category. I think too many of us are saying because a minister is wealthy that he is a heretic or false preacher. So the people that say this are basically saying all preachers should be poor. Like someone else mentioned, JP didn't start out wealthy, he started out small and God blessed him. If God wants to bless us with wealth then so be it. When we start giving credit to ourselves and not the Lord is where we come into problems. Was JP's desire to become wealthy or was it to serve God and then the rest just followed? If our desire is to become wealthy then we aren't doing things for the Lord. But if our desire is to serve God and God rewards us with any form of prosperity then who are we to speak negatively about what God has given someone?