If I ran this chat room I'd ban you for calling ppl fake Christians and reprobates that is not your place or your job
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Hello. Answer is in Romans chapter 11. Israel didn't obtain what it seeked, but the election, rest were blinded.
The election have Holy Spirit. They don't have free will. Jesus will intervene in there life. Those who have free will, Jesus won't intervene in there lifes. Some people have Spirit of slumber. When seed is planted, it May not germinate. God has his reasons. We're talking about spiritually Dead.
Reprobates are different group. 2 Corinthians chapter 4 will document they have unclesn Spirit. They don't have holy Spirit or Spirit of slumber. Reprobates want nothing to do with God's Truth, Romans chapter 1, they are in rebellion against God.
James 1:27. Reprobates fallen attitude , which rejects God, and his wisdom. Because Reprobates have a depraved mind. They spread heresy to contaminate God's word. Because they indulge in sin. God's Truth exposes fruits of darkness, there sinful life styles. There heart is so corrupt, they won't repent. John chapter 16, holy Spirit is needed to convict person of sin.
They are too morally debased to seek God. God sent his Spirit to the election.
1 Corinthians chapter 1:30
John 14:26
Ephesians chapter 2:6
Colossians 2:13
Reprobates have Spirit of delusion . Devoid of the Spirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
Romans chapter 1
Akathartos in Greek means - demonic, unclesn Spirit.
Three different groups
Spiritually dead
Reprobates
Election
Those who have free will, have choice to follow Jesus or Satan. The spiritually dead have Spirit of slumber. They will be taught during milliumum by priests, revelation chapter 20.
Reprobates don't have Spirit of slumber, they reject God and choose rebellion. They made there decision of thier free will to follow Satan. 2 Corinthians chapter 4. 4. Whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not.
Election don't have free will, they are predestined and chosen before foundation of the world.
Satan owns the Reprobates. There under his influence and power. Colossians chapter 1. He hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and conveyed into kingdom of the son of his love.
Luke chapter 16. Two sides of the Gulf. The Reprobates go to sheol called helll. It's holding place for the wicked until judgment Day. The righteous are on side of paradise.
Don't go into the BDF then. Those things happen in there on a regular basis. And are allowed. Have been for over a decade.
I told you man, you're beating your head against a brick wall here. He will never relinquish his idea that he is intrinsically better than some other people. The feeling of superiority is addictive.
It's only words on a screen. He could call my mother a nematode succubus, it wouldn't make any difference.
He will soon be gone though. We have seen them come and seen them go. Either he will judge us as yet another forum of false brethren and flounce off, or he will eventually do something that will indeed get him banned. Either way, his kind never last long here. He will soon go off to inflict his presence on some other forum.
Just sit back and enjoy the show man.
I know this discussion is old, but I was wondering what all the threads here have to say about singleness, and this is good question.
This desire is totally normal. There's nothing wring with desiring a spouse. God designed marriage at the beginning. Marriage happened in the Garden of Eden. While Adam had a perfect, sinless relationship with God. God looked at Adam and said it wasn’t good for man to be alone. Isn’t that interesting? You mean even when he was totally with God, Adam still needed someone else? Whoops.
In the Garden of Eden, when the world was perfect, God gave Adam a wife. But then what happened? Mankind rebelled, sin entered the world, and everything has been screwed up ever since. I think this is important to note. In Paradise, when things were perfect, there was marriage. In the post-Fall world, there’s people who desire marriage, but it doesn’t work out for them. It’s one of the many genuine disappointments that we all have to deal with in a fallen, sinful world. It’s OK to recognize it as such.
I do believe that there's some people who lack the gift of celibacy who still won't be able to marry. I mean, I've often read that there's more Christian women in the world than there are men. If that's broadly true, it means that not everyone will be able to find someone to marry, even if they have strong desires. And in Matthew 19, when Jesus talks about people who don't marry, he mentions a few different types: people who choose to live that way, people who are made that way by God, and people who are made that way by "other men." So some people stay single, and it's not because they chose it or because God chose it. It's just how life turned out.
Yes, God is good. But we live in a world that is not good.
Some people, will of course, tell you that singleness is a "gift" and that seeking a romantic relationship is a worldly distraction. They might use chapters like 1 Corinthians 7. However, when reading or teaching 1 Corinthians 7, it's good to keep in mind that this a fairly nuanced chapter, and written quite differently from Paul's other writings. So what all does Paul say here?
Paul says he has no "commandment from God" about this. Paul says that he wishes that everyone was single like him ── not that God wishes it. Paul says that he, personally, is content with being single, but he admits that not everyone is like that. He says that it's good to stay single, but that it's actually better to marry if you have strong desires. Paul "supposes" that it's better to stay single because of "the present distress," some crisis that the church in Corinth was dealing with at the time. He says you're not sinning by marrying. Paul says a widow would be happier if she stayed single, but he admits that this is just a personal opinion. Evidently, many people are not happier being single. In 1 Timothy 4:1-3 Paul also condemns people who forbid marriage. And if Paul wrote the Book of Hebrews, then he also said that marriage is a good thing. And even Jesus said that celibacy isn't for everyone.
A lot of the time, people say that being single is good because you can devote yourself more fully to God. And when you're dating or married, you, apparently, can't do that. A lot of this comes from 1 Corinthians 7:32-35. Paul basically says here that an unmarried person is devoted to the Lord and not distracted by the needs of his spouse. This is then interpreted by some to mean that a person can do "more ministry" as a single.
I don't think that's what Paul says here. I mean, if that's the case, why are all the pastors and church elders typically married? Did they make a mistake? Is marriage getting in the way of their ministry? What Paul says here, I believe, is that if you aren’t distracted by the desire for marriage, then maybe you have the gift of singleness.
And, of course, in English, "distracting" has a negative connotation, so we often bring that into play when reaching this passage. But it seems more like Paul might have merely been making the elementary observation that marriage, or the search for marriage, can place more demands on your time and attention than the life of someone who is genuinely content with being single (like Paul was) But, of course, Paul said that not everyone is like him, a single man content with being single.
Can the desire for romantic love be a distraction? Well, sure, potentially. However, I would definitely be proactive about this if you’re still single at, say, 25 or older. I don’t think these things “just happen.” I mean, what if you’re a Christian and you’re pursuing goals like a job search, or weight loss? We don’t just sit back and “wait on God” in those scenarios, do we? But when it comes to romance we can often over-spiritualize it. And, for sure, we do have to prepare. Single you will be the married you, unless you decide to make changes.
Yes, God loves us, but it's not that kind of love. I've always liked how, in the Bible there's so many different Hebrew and Greek words for the different kinds of love. In English, we can, confusingly, only over-use one, haha. Yes, God loves us. But God's love doesn't do anything to quench my desire for romantic love, now does it? It's OK to be honest about that. If God's love was able to do that, well, then, why would any Christian ever bother with dating or marriage in the first place? Your pastor is, most likely, married. That means, at some point, he decided to get married. What, was God's love not enough for him? Did he make a mistake? Hahaha.
I know it's all well-meaning, but often, when you're single, you can get patronizing and condescending messages along the lines of "Remember, single folks......your Number One Priority is JESUS!" Hahaha. Oh, really? Wow. I didn't know that! What's my number one priority as a married person? Oh, right. Jesus. Hahahaha!
Besides, all the research I’ve ever seen (almost all secular) says that married people are happier, have more and better sex, make more money, live longer and impact society more. It’s a societal foundation, apparently. Who knew?
Being a "true servant of the Lord" does not mean you have to abandon all of your dreams. In the case of marriage, this is a good dream. It's a good desire. It's something that God invented.
No reason, if not for kids, property or social obligation. Historically and still today, relationship is a social safety net for accidents, unemployment, elderly care and other troubles. The greatest challenge today is the decline of societal trust, I could never trust any stranger with my property and personal information.
I often fantasize that God will drop a perfect partner right into my living room, because I've been waiting so long.
if he is perfect, then maybe he doesn't need anyone else. Picked your battle, settle down if really want to.
There's no right person to settle down with.
Picked your battle, settle down if really want to.
Aww, so cute. My cousin also has one.
I have been thinking about this and I honestly see it a little differently.
I don’t think wanting a relationship necessarily means putting our own desires before God’s will. And I don’t think it’s always mainly about sexual temptation either. Sometimes we simply want someone to share life with. Someone to laugh with, pray with, encourage each other and grow in faith together. I believe singleness can be a beautiful calling, but I don’t see marriage as a lesser choice or a compromise when it comes to serving God. Paul talks about sexual desire in 1 Corinthians 7, but he also speaks of marriage as something good and honorable. I also think we should be careful about assuming that every longing for another person is “of the flesh.” We were created for relationships and God Himself said, “It is not good that the man should be alone.”
For me, wanting a godly marriage would not mean that God isn’t enough. He is enough. But I don’t think that means we can’t also desire to share the life He has given us with someone else. Maybe the real question is whether we are willing to give that desire to God and let Him lead us. Whether He leads us into marriage or into a life of singleness.
I don’t think wanting a relationship necessarily means putting our own desires before God’s will. And I don’t think it’s always mainly about sexual temptation either. Sometimes we simply want someone to share life with. Someone to laugh with, pray with, encourage each other and grow in faith together. I believe singleness can be a beautiful calling, but I don’t see marriage as a lesser choice or a compromise when it comes to serving God. Paul talks about sexual desire in 1 Corinthians 7, but he also speaks of marriage as something good and honorable. I also think we should be careful about assuming that every longing for another person is “of the flesh.” We were created for relationships and God Himself said, “It is not good that the man should be alone.”
For me, wanting a godly marriage would not mean that God isn’t enough. He is enough. But I don’t think that means we can’t also desire to share the life He has given us with someone else. Maybe the real question is whether we are willing to give that desire to God and let Him lead us. Whether He leads us into marriage or into a life of singleness.
Your thoughts are exactly what I'm thinking right now, what a coincidence haha
Seriously? All the pages in all the threads that you and Lovette have already generated, all that wasn't enough? You have to dig up old threads on the same topic?
I suppose in the "wheels on the bus go round and round" analogy I once used, this would be the analog of airing up the tires.
Well, this is a topic I'm genuinely interested in and enjoy talking about, and I was wondering what other threads or questions people on this forum had.
Of course, now I'm wondering if Lovette will feel the need to join in as well. Oh, no. What have I done?
It's a hallmark of this depressing era, relationship is rarified from a necessity to a nicety, almost a luxury. The cost of having a relationship skyrocketed, while the benefit of it plummeted.