Why some people say you can't know if a person is nonelect or God's elect?

[Magenta]

Do you know of any tares who became wheat? Any goats become sheep in the Bible?

Creation teaches us that each thing is after its own kind. Jesus never spoke of
changing goats to sheep. Rather, He came to seek and to save the lost sheep.

It is He who made us, and we are His; we are His people, and the sheep of His pasture. Bring My sons from afar, and My daughters from the ends of the earth - everyone called by My name and created for My glory, whom I have indeed formed and made. Psalm 100 v 3, Isaiah 43 v 6b-7

 

[Aaron56]

"Oh great! This has devolved into a 'free will' discussion again".... said no one ever.

 

[GWH]

Do you know of any tares who became wheat? Any goats become sheep in the Bible?

Creation teaches us that each thing is after its own kind. Jesus never spoke of changing goats to sheep. Rather, He came to seek and to save the lost sheep.

All humans are tares before they repent and become wheat/saved.
The entire ministry of Jesus is about saving sinful souls!
Don't project your hatred onto God.

 

[GWH]

"Oh great! This has devolved into a 'free will' discussion again".... said no one ever.

Well, as Perry Mason would say: "You (the OP) opened the door by mentioning election."

 

[Cameron143]

All humans are tares before they repent and become wheat/saved.
The entire ministry of Jesus is about saving sinful souls!
Don't project your hatred onto God.

Creation teaches the opposite. For your doctrine to be correct spiritually, it must first be true naturally. No tare has ever spawned wheat.

 

[GWH]

Creation teaches the opposite. For your doctrine to be correct spiritually, it must first be true naturally. No tare has ever spawned wheat.

Scripture teaches the opposite of tulipism, and what I share is based on Scripture as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).

4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent of being a tare and become wheat by accepting God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

 

[Cameron143]

Scripture teaches the opposite of tulipism, and what I share is based on Scripture as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).

4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent of being a tare and become wheat by accepting God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

You have CDS. You bring TULIP into every discussion. There exists no scripture that even hints at tares being turned into wheat. It is a figment of your imagination.

 

[lrs68]

The Tares: The sons of the wicked one, or those who reject and oppose God's rule.

People who made a choice.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ was ordained before the world began to the redeemer of the elect !

Writing the elect of God scattered, Peter wrote:

1 Pet 1:2,18-20

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Notice Peter stated Jesus was manifested [incarnation] for them specifically !

The word elect in Vs 2 is eklektos:

picked out, chosen

1. chosen by God,
   
   
   1. to obtain salvation through Christ

Its derived from eklegomai which is the word for chosen in Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now notice how the sacred writers both use the term " before the foundation of the world"

So no doubt its strictly for them chosen in Christ before the foundation of world Christ came to redeem ! This is Gospel Truth

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Christ was ordained before the world began to the redeemer of the elect !

Writing the elect of God scattered, Peter wrote:

1 Pet 1:2,18-20

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Notice Peter stated Jesus was manifested [incarnation] for them specifically !

The word elect in Vs 2 is eklektos:

picked out, chosen

1. chosen by God,
   
   
   1. to obtain salvation through Christ

Its derived from eklegomai which is the word for chosen in Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now notice how the sacred writers both use the term " before the foundation of the world"

So no doubt its strictly for them chosen in Christ before the foundation of world Christ came to redeem ! This is Gospel Truth

Hi so is it selfish if you stop being friends with someone because you don't have anything in common with them anymore? Also God gives me this feeling of being uncomfortable being with them multiple times because they are talking about sinful stuff.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17
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14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what [a]fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what [b]communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you[c] are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”
17 Therefore

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
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[brightfame52]

Hi so is it selfish if you stop being friends with someone because you don't have anything in common with them anymore? Also God gives me this feeling of being uncomfortable being with them multiple times because they are talking about sinful stuff.

Thats a different topic my friend

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Thats a different topic my friend

Well can you answer it, even if its different topic?

 

[brightfame52]

Well can you answer it, even if its different topic?

Please I rather not.

 

[GabrielMarques]

Yet God is not willing that any should perish. He also takes no delight in the death of the wicked. How do you explain that?

I send you like sheep among wolves. Christ

 

[GabrielMarques]

Do you know of any tares who became wheat? Any goats become sheep in the Bible?

Creation teaches us that each thing is after its own kind. Jesus never spoke of changing goats to sheep. Rather, He came to seek and to save the lost sheep.

I used to be like him myself watering the weeds, it leaves you feeling dry..

 

[Gideon300]

Do you know of any tares who became wheat? Any goats become sheep in the Bible?

Creation teaches us that each thing is after its own kind. Jesus never spoke of changing goats to sheep. Rather, He came to seek and to save the lost sheep.

How do you know who is a sheep and who is a goat; who is a tare and who is wheat? Jesus told His disciples (and therefore us) to preach the gospel to all creation.

 

[Gideon300]

I admire and relate to your hope, but you need to grow in your faith. Elohim doesn't reveal himself to all nor does he wish all be saved. Did you read Christ's passage about the wheat and the tares?

How do you know who is going to be saved and who is not? My wife and I had a neighbour opposite where we used to live. He knew something of God's word. He was raised Anglican. He was smart, had a well paid job, and was a single father. He drank to excess. He was divorced.

He was friendly enough and we witnessed to him from time to time, but with no result. We moved a couple of Km away. A few weeks ago, he came to see us. He was a different man. He wanted to share with us that he had received Christ and to express appreciation for what we'd shared with him.

I knew another lapsed Anglican when I was in the Australian Navy. I witnessed to him also. He told me that he would return to the church eventually. That was over 50 years ago. I met him again about 15 years ago. He'd done extremely well in developing military radar technology. He was completely indifferent to the things of God.

It's not our place to judge who will accept Christ and who will not. We are commanded to preach the gospel. God's word has this to say:
1 Corinthians 7:15 & 16
"But if the unbeliever leaves, let him go. The believing brother or sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"

 

[Gideon300]

When by their fruit you will know them. Also after the true gospel is preached to them if they are God's elect, God will give the Holy Spirit to them. If nonelect, they will reject the Holy Spirit.

That will only be known for certain on judgement day. Some reject the gospel many times before they repent.

 

[Cameron143]

How do you know who is a sheep and who is a goat; who is a tare and who is wheat? Jesus told His disciples (and therefore us) to preach the gospel to all creation.

And so we should share the gospel because we do not know who God will save. We all should plant and water and expect God to give an increase.

 

[GWH]

You have CDS. You bring TULIP into every discussion. There exists no scripture that even hints at tares being turned into wheat. It is a figment of your imagination.

The wheat were tares before they repented (Rom. 3:23, Matt. 4:17, Rom. 6:23, John 3:16, 1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.).
Sorry you and Mag are too brain-washed to see that truth/Scripture and repent of espousing the tulip heresy.
Tulips are tares.