Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today

[Wansvic]

are you getting angry at your inability to refute the actual biblical account regarding Paul?

otherwise, why start up with your little x's LOL!

It is quite clear from your responses that I am not the angry one.

And as far as placing an "x" on a comment, it is the only icon one can use to indicate a person is not in agreement with a comment.
While you were coming up with a snide remark I was working on my response to your regarding Paul.

Also, I have errands to run for now. I mention this because in the past you have accused me of not being willing to respond to your comments when in fact I had left the forum.

 

[garee]

I'm not making any attempt to separate anything. I am pointing out that the word of God declares the gifts to be distinct from each other. You keep dragging other topics into the discussion.

You have been trying to separate tongues from prophecy, as well as parables from prophecy .

Some thing a literalist would work to do.

Apostle, prophet and teacher or interpreter are all one work of God sending out the gospel Cant send out a apostle with nothing and expect to it to work as a work of faith. Can't send out prophecy without a understanding.

It's what apostles do as they are sent out moved by the Spirit of Christ with prophecy the law of God. The prophecy gives the hearer the understanding of God not seen . Nothing left for self-edification the look and believe doctrine of men. But rather the "new tongue" the gospel of all the nations of the world. It as it is written is the power of God can cast out lying spirits called demons.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

I would think its what new creatures do rejoice in the gospel with new tongues.

 

[garee]

hey even the demons can quote scripture...I'm not calling you demonic so don't go there

what I am saying, is that you can quote the entire Bible and you will still be wrong

where is the response to how Paul did not follow your little list?

anything else is word salad with old dressing

I have studied the OT at some length and the systems of sacrifice etc and have even taught on it...adult class...since people need to understand the relevance to the NT, but it is over and God now has a permanent High Priest and He is ours who believe

you put more emphasis on water than on the blood of Christ...a very very dangerous thing to do and yet cultish in your fervor

I have studied the NT with regards to our standing in Christ and without trying to brag or sound rude, you cannot combine the 2 as you have...you are way off in left field...in fact the entire game has moved on and you are still trying to catch the ball

btw, Jesus wore next to nothing and quite possibly nothing, when He died. no robes or priestly garments. and He did not wear any sort of costume when He appeared on the beach when the 11 were fishing

you try to make it seem you are knowledgeable by using scripture but you are in conflict with scripture




HOW ABOUT EXPLAINING WHY PAUL DID NOT USE THE LIST YOU SAY IS BIBLICAL?

the rest is just smoke and you have been doing that since you joined this forum

What makes you think Paul did not follow what you called little list? What is the list


I have studied the OT at some length and the systems of sacrifice etc and have even been taught on it...by the Holy Spirit who works in us to help remember the former things he has taught us as the whole.

You put more emphasis the literal blood of Christ which Jesus says profits for nothing ...It represents the unseen Spirit of God. A very, very dangerous thing to do and yet cultish in your fervor as a false zeal

 

[Wansvic]

and ignoring what I actually said and asked is not being honest.

What you have not stated is IF you have been baptized in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit and not in the name of Jesus is one's baptism null and void? Yes or NO. That all I need to know if you believe that. Simple right?

I answered that specific question. Maybe instead of automatically disagreeing with me you should actually read my posts.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

here you go wansvic

it seems you may be short on words and have decided to just color instead

 

[Wansvic]

from the tabernacle thread last year in which wansvic outlined some of her beliefs regarding water regeneration


Post 242
As I mentioned to bluto, I think the thing that people don't realize is that it was God's choice to remit sin based on the obedient faith demonstrated in one submitting to water baptism.

Water baptism was not some idea people came up with to try and save themselves. Water baptism was created by God.

so she believes water cleanses from sin..aka water regeneration and a doctrine that does not exist in scripture

I responded some posts after with this: Post254
from the Old Testament:

“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11)

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7)

redemption how? by His BLOOD. no bath or shower

“But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.” (Ephesians 2:13)

how have we been brought to the throne of grace? by a water sprinkler? by a water truck? by the Jordan River?
NO. by the BLOOD of Christ


“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.” (Revelation 12:11)

what is the devil overcome by? a water hose? NO, THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB (of God)

and since the oneness crowd likes to quote Peter so much, this is what Peter says about blood and NO baptism:

“Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” (1 Peter 1:18-19)

see that? no water at all. Peter states emphatically that the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST alone has redeemed us.

what was used in the Passover in Egypt? did they sprinkle water on their door posts or blood?


this is very very serious. claiming that ANYTHING but the blood of Christ washes away sin is demonic. it is as serious as saying there are many ways to be saved.

so pardon my outburst but folks need to get serious and recognize what is really going on here

this is more than simply a disagreement about a non-salvic doctrine in scripture...this is the CORRUPTION of the gospel and as such,
is following a spirit of error or, what the Bible actually calls a DOCTRINE OF DEMONS

serious as life and death


from the Old Testament:

“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11)

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7)

redemption how? by His BLOOD. no bath or shower

“But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.” (Ephesians 2:13)

how have we been brought to the throne of grace? by a water sprinkler? by a water truck? by the Jordan River?
NO. by the BLOOD of Christ


“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.” (Revelation 12:11)

what is the devil overcome by? a water hose? NO, THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB (of God)

and since the oneness crowd likes to quote Peter so much, this is what Peter says about blood and NO baptism:

“Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” (1 Peter 1:18-19)

see that? no water at all. Peter states emphatically that the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST alone has redeemed us.

what was used in the Passover in Egypt? did they sprinkle water on their door posts or blood?


this is very very serious. claiming that ANYTHING but the blood of Christ washes away sin is demonic. it is as serious as saying there are many ways to be saved.

so pardon my outburst but folks need to get serious and recognize what is really going on here

this is more than simply a disagreement about a non-salvic doctrine in scripture...this is the CORRUPTION of the gospel and as such,
is following a spirit of error or, what the Bible actually calls a DOCTRINE OF DEMONS

serious as life and death

from the old to the new testament, it is always and only blood that makes atonement for sin

You can belittle me all you like. However, I never said water is WHAT washes away sin, (that's the sacrificial blood of Jesus) but WHEN an individual's sins are washed away.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It is quite clear from your responses that I am not the angry one.

And as far as placing an "x" on a comment, it is the only icon one can use to indicate a person is not in agreement with a comment.
While you were coming up with a snide remark I was working on my response to your regarding Paul.

Also, I have errands to run for now. I mention this because in the past you have accused me of not being willing to respond to your comments when in fact I had left the forum.

this is priceless

you said almost the identical thing to me in that thread from last summer

and now I am accusing...oh how difficult not to be able to actually show from scripture how that 5 point list of yours is biblical

puhleeeeze

you were not placing x's before I posted about Paul's baptism and 'encouraging' you to explain why it did not fit in with your
list

my snide remarks are simply asking why you cannot explain why Paul does not fit your narrative of a person being saved

again, you have God placing HIS Spirit inside people who are not yet saved

I mean truly, you are either right or wrong and this is of utmost importance as you are posting very erroneous teaching

you cannot possibly be right concerning your 5 step polka (that is not snide...that is out and out funny sarcasm) since Paul, Ananias and the Holy Spirit are not dancing to your tune

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You can belittle me all you like. However, I never said water is WHAT washes away sin, (that's the sacrificial blood of Jesus) but WHEN an individual's sins are washed away.

oh brother

want some kleenex?

this is what you do. you are all over people telling them how wrong they are but when the facts come out, you melt and do a pity party

you cannot correct scripture and you know it, so you go full blown 'people are attacking me...oh they make snide comments...oh how rude...oh so mean

please try a new routine. I actually have a low boredom threshold

 

[Wansvic]

I did read it

and I am asking how that works with the list YOU have offered in lieu of the fact that Paul's conversion/speaking in tongues/baptism does not follow that list when you have consistently said that list is the order with the blood of Christ applied as #5

according to your list, God gives the Holy Spirit to those who have not yet had their sins forgiven

don't talk to me about Ananias when I am the one who pointed the whole thing out LOL!

of course I know the answer why you do not reply...it does not fit with your narrative

can you be honest? just admit it and make room for the fact you are in error...might point you in the right direction

My point was that the OT foreshadow depicted that the blood was applied after God's commands were obeyed.

 

[Wansvic]

well just keep fudging and trying to combine the old and new testaments into one big testament

I have other things to do but I might check on your latest dodge and flip later

No attempt is being made to combine the testaments. OT is the foreshadow of the NT reality.

 

[Wansvic]

here you go wansvic

it seems you may be short on words and have decided to just color instead

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This is very mature.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

My point was that the OT foreshadow depicted that the blood was applied after God's commands were obeyed.

well that is a good enough point

however, my point was and is that Jesus never sinned and the entire OT law (entire law) was a SHADOW of what came after

you don't apply Christ's blood...HIS BLOOD IS ALREADY APPLIED AND IS ETERNAL

what you are now stating sounds an awful lot like after we do some work, after we obey, after we are baptized. after we are priests (which is impossible at the point you have it) THAT is when Christ's blood becomes available

yeah

only no

there is an old song that goes...what can wash away my sins? nothing but the blood of Jesus...ever hear it?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

This is very mature.

I do have my moments

 

[7seasrekeyed]

well we are out tonight and that's it for now

go do your errands....the week end is not a great time to shop

 

[Wansvic]

this is priceless

you said almost the identical thing to me in that thread from last summer

I'm sure I did. You are continually rude to those who hold a different view than yours of what is being conveyed in the Word.

 

[Wansvic]

oh brother

want some kleenex?

this is what you do. you are all over people telling them how wrong they are but when the facts come out, you melt and do a pity party

you cannot correct scripture and you know it, so you go full blown 'people are attacking me...oh they make snide comments...oh how rude...oh so mean

please try a new routine. I actually have a low boredom threshold

Pity party? Hummm. Interesting that is how you see it.

 

[Wansvic]

well that is a good enough point

however, my point was and is that Jesus never sinned and the entire OT law (entire law) was a SHADOW of what came after

you don't apply Christ's blood...HIS BLOOD IS ALREADY APPLIED AND IS ETERNAL

what you are now stating sounds an awful lot like after we do some work, after we obey, after we are baptized. after we are priests (which is impossible at the point you have it) THAT is when Christ's blood becomes available

yeah

only no

there is an old song that goes...what can wash away my sins? nothing but the blood of Jesus...ever hear it?

Yet again, WHAT washes away sin and WHEN sins are actually washed away are two very different things.

Jesus words not mine:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:46-49

 

[JBTN]

Hebrews 9:8-10

By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing (which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

washings = baptismois in Greek which comes from baptizo

So, here we see baptism of the flesh listed as a regulation for the body that will only be imposed until the time of reformation.



Ephesians 2:8-10

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

For at the beginning of verse 10 is the Greek word gar. Gar means I am about to explain my previous statement. So, the works mentioned in verse 9 are good works, not limited to boastful works or works of the Law.

Verse 10 also says we are created in Christ Jesus for good works. This indicates that the creation comes before the works.

 

[CS1]

It is quite clear from your responses that I am not the angry one.

And as far as placing an "x" on a comment, it is the only icon one can use to indicate a person is not in agreement with a comment.
While you were coming up with a snide remark I was working on my response to your regarding Paul.

Also, I have errands to run for now. I mention this because in the past you have accused me of not being willing to respond to your comments when in fact I had left the forum.

FYI the little x mean only one disagree with you LOL it is not meme of anger unless the one who gets it sometimes they get mad LOL hahaha

 

[CS1]

I answered that specific question. Maybe instead of automatically disagreeing with me you should actually read my posts.

I did and you did not answer it as I asked my question. You beat around bush.