Why Wasn't A Law Given By Which One Could Be Righteous?

[evyaniy]

Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. ​

(Psalm 22:4) ​

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who is Christ's father?

His Father is YAH. His mother is Mary who is in the line of David. He is a Hebrew with a human lineage that goes back to Adam as the Gospel Genealogies show.

That verse in no way negates it is Yahshua speaking. He has a Human ancestry like all of us through His mother, but His Father is YAH.

 

[evyaniy]

you sure about that? have you looked, or just parroting your rabbi?

I cry in the day time, but Thou hearest not;​

(Psalm 22:2)​

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And I know that You always hear Me, ​

but because of the people who are standing by I said this, ​

that they may believe that You sent Me. ​

(John 11:42)​

i approach it another way. When it is clearly Yahshua speaking in a Psalm, i try to understand the verses that seem more difficult to grasp. That usually reveals even deeper truth about Him and what He did for us.

 

[posthuman]

His Father is YAH. His mother is Mary who is in the line of David. He is a Hebrew with a human lineage that goes back to Adam as the Gospel Genealogies show.

That verse in no way negates it is Yahshua speaking. He has a Human ancestry like all of us through His mother, but His Father is YAH.

so Yah trusted in Yah and Yah delivered Yah?

when was that?

 

[posthuman]

i approach it another way. When it is clearly Yahshua speaking in a Psalm, i try to understand the verses that seem more difficult to grasp. That usually reveals even deeper truth about Him and what He did for us.

yeah so tell me about the Father refusing to hear the Son?

 

[evyaniy]

yeah so tell me about the Father refusing to hear the Son?

When He was suffering for our sins on the cross He cried out, My El, My El, why have You forsaken Me. It was actually His Father Who was placing our guilt upon Him. It says that in other places as well. It even says it at the end of Psalm 22.

They shall come, and shall declare His righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that He hath done this.

It was was His Father Who required Yahshua as a Man to suffer for our sins in obedience to the law.

 

[posthuman]

When He was suffering for our sins on the cross He cried out, My El, My El, why have You forsaken Me. It was actually His Father Who was placing our guilt upon Him. It says that in other places as well. It even says it at the end of Psalm 22.

They shall come, and shall declare His righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that He hath done this.

It was was His Father Who required Yahshua as a Man to suffer for our sins in obedience to the law.

For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;​

Nor has He hidden His face from Him;​

But when He cried to Him, He heard. ​

(Psalm 22:24)
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verse 2 is someone saying God did not hear them.
verse 24 is someone saying God has not forsaken them but has always heard their cries.

you think this the same person; you must think this is a confused and deceived person who does not know the truth.
that is what you think of Messiah? that He doesn't know what's going on, and accuses God in ignorance?

 

[evyaniy]

i am not trying to argue or debate with you. i was trying to answer your original question about the promise of life in the law in Leviticus 18:5. As i said, it is a very insightful question that does not even occur to most people. It is key to understanding all of Scripture and the Law just as knowing Who is speaking in various Psalms. i was trying to share my understanding of that.

your questions have all been good. the things and concerns you point out are valid. there are answers for the Scriptures you have referenced to support the questions.

There is no way to understand Psalm 119 without accepting it is Yahshua praying. That is true of many Psalms. Once that is understood the meaning leaps out and reveals the heart of Yahshua in His prayers as He was experiencing life. It also answers all the confusion about the Law which was for Yahshua and His path to life and Salvation, which He prayed for over and over.

 

[posthuman]

There is no way to understand Psalm 119 without accepting it is Yahshua praying.

that's not true.
it is clearly established that the speaker in Psalm 119 - if it is all one speaker - has sin, and has need of redemption & salvation from death.
neither these things are true of the Messiah.

if you make this statement on the basis that no one else has ever kept the righteousness of the law, you do not know, or have forgotten scripture

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.​

(Philippians 3:6) ​

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that's Saul of Tarsus speaking. he is blameless with regard to the righteousness of the law, yet he is the chief of sinners, and was breathing out murder even while he was without blame regarding the keeping of the commandments. he considers it dung compared to knowing the riches of Messiah, and he is now called Paul, which means, "small"

 

[evyaniy]

For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;​

Nor has He hidden His face from Him;​

But when He cried to Him, He heard. ​

(Psalm 22:24) ​

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verse 2 is someone saying God did not hear them.
verse 24 is someone saying God has not forsaken them but has always heard their cries.

you think this the same person; you must think this is a confused and deceived person who does not know the truth.
that is what you think of Messiah? that He doesn't know what's going on, and accuses God in ignorance?

Now you are accusing me of things. i am only trying to understand and share. truth is i would rather keep to myself because i do not like to argue. researching and explaining Scriptures is hard work and often leads to ridicule for my views. i try to learn from what is written.

 

[Aerials1978]

I think to get a good understanding why there isn’t justification(eternal) under the law, can be found in Hebrews 9. Too much to post in a thread.

 

[evyaniy]

that's not true.
it is clearly established that the speaker in Psalm 119 - if it is all one speaker - has sin, and has need of redemption & salvation from death.
neither these things are true of the Messiah.

Psalm 119 is all one Speaker except maybe the first few verses, which is the Holy Spirit introducing Him. It does not say that He has sin. In fact in many places throughout it says He is blameless.

He needed salvation and deliverance from death because He suffered death for our sins as the Law which He loves required of Him. His obedience saved Him and YAH raised Him from the dead as promised in the Law to the Man who fulfilled the Law. That Man is Yahshua.

 

[posthuman]

Now you are accusing me of things. i am only trying to understand and share. truth is i would rather keep to myself because i do not like to argue. researching and explaining Scriptures is hard work and often leads to ridicule for my views. i try to learn from what is written.

i'm only following your stated beliefs to their logical conclusions, and citing what is written.

you have said that all of Psalm 22 is Christ speaking.
part of Psalm 22 is saying he Father does not hear the cries of the one speaking.
Jesus says the Father always hears Him.

your interpretation has something it needs to deal with.

 

[posthuman]

Psalm 119 is all one Speaker except maybe the first few verses, which is the Holy Spirit introducing Him. It does not say that He has sin

nevermind what your rabbi says; tell the truth.

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Before I was afflicted I went astray​

(Psalm 119:67)​

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I have gone astray like a lost sheep ​

(Psalm 119:176)​

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Jesus Christ went astray, yes or no?

 

[evyaniy]

i've had enough. time will tell. nothing to be gained.

 

[posthuman]

i've had enough. time will tell. nothing to be gained.

i am glad He brought you here, even if it wasn't for what you thought it was for

 

[Mii]

Prophetic utterances are in accord with the will of the Word and, in David's case it seems, a living relationship.

I read the majority of Psalms as contending for the Word. Pursuing righteousness and his will even when everything is seemingly against a person. EVEN when based off our situation it seems the Lord has turned his face from us.

Certainly you can see elements in the human life of the Word in the gospels that hearken back to previous utterances.

In my view it is important to note that being under the inspiration of the Lord is NOT the same thing as he himself. At least not in the flesh, which is what is being said here. This is the first time I've heard anyone say that this is Jesus "directly" praying through another person. I don't find that to be accurate. His presence can be seen as manifest in all prophetic utterances but beyond that?

He IS the word as I said, so it makes sense that all of the written Word his essence can be seen, but taking leaps that these are his prayers personally? I don't see that in scripture.

There is a bit more I'm scratching at, if anyone else can help me out thanks

That would be like saying that prayers that we pray as image bearers are Jesus "directly" praying through us...

 

[oldethennew]

1PETER 1:10.
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace
that should come unto you:
11.
Searching what, or what manner of time The Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

the prophets(humans) HAD The Spirit of Christ, and they bear witness through His Spirit...

 

[evyaniy]

almost 3 years ago now, on the cusp of the worldwide mania.

 

[Grandpa]

almost 3 years ago now, on the cusp of the worldwide mania.

I thought you were prophesying at first.

Then I realized you meant the worldwide mania was 3 yrs ago.