Why we can't save most of the people of the world...
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Not having a definitive doctrine of salvation and eternal security.
The moment we believe we are saved. PERIOD.
If we do not trust His word on these VERY IMPORTANT "Starter" truths.........We will make a mish mash of doctrines that will not let us advance and Grow in His Grace and Knowledge.
Forever stuck at the start and never getting past the starting line.
The moment we believe we are saved. PERIOD.
If we do not trust His word on these VERY IMPORTANT "Starter" truths.........We will make a mish mash of doctrines that will not let us advance and Grow in His Grace and Knowledge.
Forever stuck at the start and never getting past the starting line.
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It is a sad truth and I don't believe any believer relishes in pointing it out.
But someone who believes salvation can be lost/forfeited/walked away from .......Is NOT advancing in His Grace and knowledge.
They may be very advanced in their knowledge, But not the Lords knowledge and GRACE.
But someone who believes salvation can be lost/forfeited/walked away from .......Is NOT advancing in His Grace and knowledge.
They may be very advanced in their knowledge, But not the Lords knowledge and GRACE.
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I have good friends in the criminal justice system who have explained for most people who are incarcerated most go through a process before finally deciding being free is a better solution. They have explained most will do drugs and as soon as they are free will do them again and get caught and become incarcerated again. This typically goes on for about 20 years. Some even 40 years. But they have to become tired of living how they are living before wanting to change.
Now, these people want nothing to do with God and just think about getting out in order to get back inside again.
Chaplain after Chaplain have passed out Bibles to anyone asking for them and teaching about God to anyone interested. Sadly however, only about 8% even begin to read the Bible. And at first it's just in hopes it leads to getting out when their trial and sentencing comes around. But the majority of those 8% might end up back but when they finally get out they remain on the right path because they finally become truly converted.
I thought that was interesting to learn about.
Now, these people want nothing to do with God and just think about getting out in order to get back inside again.
Chaplain after Chaplain have passed out Bibles to anyone asking for them and teaching about God to anyone interested. Sadly however, only about 8% even begin to read the Bible. And at first it's just in hopes it leads to getting out when their trial and sentencing comes around. But the majority of those 8% might end up back but when they finally get out they remain on the right path because they finally become truly converted.
I thought that was interesting to learn about.
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I was raised to believe OSAS PERIOD, but then I read the Bible for myself and learned the sour 16:
RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”
HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”
HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
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I would say that the title of the thread (Why We Can't Save Most of the People of the World) gives the wrong impression. We don't (and can't) save anybody. Only Jesus Christ does that:
“"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:12 NKJV)
We cannot make children immune to the devil, either. We can give biblical teaching, and live of lives in a way to be a good example, but that is not immunisation to Satan.
Indeed, by nature, we are all unable to please God:
“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1Co 2:14 NKJV)
Praise God, it is He Who brings about the conversion of sinners, and when He does so, He is not thwarted by sinners having "doctrines in their head from their child hood and up that prevent them from becoming christian."
“"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:12 NKJV)
We cannot make children immune to the devil, either. We can give biblical teaching, and live of lives in a way to be a good example, but that is not immunisation to Satan.
Indeed, by nature, we are all unable to please God:
“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1Co 2:14 NKJV)
Praise God, it is He Who brings about the conversion of sinners, and when He does so, He is not thwarted by sinners having "doctrines in their head from their child hood and up that prevent them from becoming christian."
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You may be right about this.
It makes me think of this here, 1 Timothy 4:1-2
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{4:1} Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; {4:2} Speaking lies
in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
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It makes me think of this here, 1 Timothy 4:1-2
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{4:1} Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; {4:2} Speaking lies
in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
"