Why Won't I Vote for Trump?

[Lightbeamrider]

Looks like Obama used the same judgment fund to pay Iran 1.7 billion in 2016. Confirmed by GROK. Below

The post draws a parallel to the Obama administration's 2016 use of the same Judgment Fund to pay $1.7 billion to Iran (principal plus interest on a pre-1979 arms claim), which was delivered in cash and criticized by opponents as effectively supporting a terrorism-sponsoring regime.

Was the cash on pallets?

Yes, the $1.7 billion payment to Iran in January 2016 (under the Obama administration) was delivered in physical cash on wooden pallets.

Leftie amnesia?

 

[SomeDisciple]

It's not only how much is spent, it is where and how it is spent. For example, defence expenditure in America mostly stays in America. It keeps major industries profitable. That is not a bad thing.

Yeah, until the weapons manufacturers are pressed so hard they ignore safety precautions and blow up their facilities with the workers in it.

 

[HeIsHere]

Looks like Obama used the same judgment fund to pay Iran 1.7 billion in 2016. Confirmed by GROK. Below

The post draws a parallel to the Obama administration's 2016 use of the same Judgment Fund to pay $1.7 billion to Iran (principal plus interest on a pre-1979 arms claim), which was delivered in cash and criticized by opponents as effectively supporting a terrorism-sponsoring regime.

Was the cash on pallets?

Yes, the $1.7 billion payment to Iran in January 2016 (under the Obama administration) was delivered in physical cash on wooden pallets.

Leftie amnesia?

Here is how that settlement was broken down:

- The Principal ($400 Million): This was the original money Iran put into a Pentagon trust fund before the 1979 Iranian revolution to purchase U.S. military equipment that was never delivered.

- The Interest ($1.3 Billion): This portion was paid from the Judgment Fund to cover the interest accrued on the withheld money over nearly four decades of litigation.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

Here is how that settlement was broken down:

- The Principal ($400 Million): This was the original money Iran put into a Pentagon trust fund before the 1979 Iranian revolution to purchase U.S. military equipment that was never delivered.

What is your point? You really think we owed them anything given the Iran hostage crisis? From Wiki.

The Iran hostage crisis (Persian: بحران گروگانگیری سفارت آمریکا) began on November 4, 1979, when 66 Americans, including diplomats and other civilian personnel, were taken hostage at the Embassy of the United States in Tehran, with 52 of them being held until January 20, 1981.[5] The incident occurred after the Muslim Student Followers of the Imam's Line stormed and occupied the building in the months following the Iranian Revolution. With support from Ruhollah Khomeini, who had led the Iranian Revolution and would eventually establish the present-day Islamic Republic of Iran, the hostage-takers demanded that the United States extradite Iranian king Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had been granted asylum by the Carter administration for cancer treatment. Notable among the assailants were Hossein Dehghan (future Minister of Defense of Iran), Mohammad Ali Jafari (future Commander-in-Chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps), and Mohammad Bagheri (future Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces).[6][7][8][9] The hostage crisis contributed to a dramatic decline in Iran–United States relations.[10] After 444 days, it came to an end with the signing of the Algiers Accords between the Iranian and American governments; Pahlavi had died in Cairo, Egypt, on July 27, 1980.
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All remaining were released after Ronald Reagan took office.

- The Interest ($1.3 Billion): This portion was paid from the Judgment Fund to cover the interest accrued on the withheld money over nearly four decades of litigation.

I find it interesting you believe we also owe interest totally ignoring the attack and takeover of our embassy in Iran ...totally different and retro government (stone age) in Iran at that time. Unbelievable. Is this all you got? 444 days under Carter.

 

[HeIsHere]

What is your point? You really think we owed them anything given the Iran hostage crisis? From Wiki.

The Iran hostage crisis (Persian: بحران گروگانگیری سفارت آمریکا) began on November 4, 1979, when 66 Americans, including diplomats and other civilian personnel, were taken hostage at the Embassy of the United States in Tehran, with 52 of them being held until January 20, 1981.[5] The incident occurred after the Muslim Student Followers of the Imam's Line stormed and occupied the building in the months following the Iranian Revolution. With support from Ruhollah Khomeini, who had led the Iranian Revolution and would eventually establish the present-day Islamic Republic of Iran, the hostage-takers demanded that the United States extradite Iranian king Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had been granted asylum by the Carter administration for cancer treatment. Notable among the assailants were Hossein Dehghan (future Minister of Defense of Iran), Mohammad Ali Jafari (future Commander-in-Chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps), and Mohammad Bagheri (future Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces).[6][7][8][9] The hostage crisis contributed to a dramatic decline in Iran–United States relations.[10] After 444 days, it came to an end with the signing of the Algiers Accords between the Iranian and American governments; Pahlavi had died in Cairo, Egypt, on July 27, 1980.
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All remaining were released after Ronald Reagan took office.

I find it interesting you believe we also owe interest totally ignoring the attack and takeover of our embassy in Iran ...totally different and retro government (stone age) in Iran at that time. Unbelievable. Is this all you got? 444 days under Carter.

Always the wrong starting point. sigh
You did leave out the pertinent facts though.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

Always the wrong starting point. sigh
You did leave out the pertinent facts though.

LOL! I did not leave out the Iran hostage crisis like you did. I would like an answer since you appear to believe we owed the backwards government money plus interest even after the hostage crisis. Never mind, i could not care less

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

What Happened to Thomas Massey?
What Happened to MAGA?

 

[ResidentAlien]

If you're a terrorist you lose all your rights and might be executed; if you're a "patriot" the president will congratulate you and support you with taxpayer money. Terrorists worldwide, pay attention.

 

[ResidentAlien]

How is it if your only "crime" is being in the country undocumented you get arrested, shipped off to a concentration camp and thrown out of the country; but if you're the president, you can steal billions of taxpayer money and you're hailed as a savior.

 

[Gideon300]

Yeah, until the weapons manufacturers are pressed so hard they ignore safety precautions and blow up their facilities with the workers in it.

Wow, Mr Negative.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Wow, Mr Negative.

Go ahead, put a positive spin on American workers getting turned into red mist because our government and corporate leaders are reckless fools.

 

[ZNP]

How is it if your only "crime" is being in the country undocumented you get arrested, shipped off to a concentration camp and thrown out of the country; but if you're the president, you can steal billions of taxpayer money and you're hailed as a savior.

How? Because only God could write this story, anyone else trying to do it and it would be considered to ridiculous.

 

[true_believer]

I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, that's why I posted the video that explains it. You probably didn't watch it as you don't seem to understand what I'm talking about. If the president gets his way on this, a commission, which he controls, will be able to dole out money to J6 rioters with no oversight. Just what we need, a corrupt grifter dipping into more taxpayer money with no oversight. Here's more information, which I'm sure you'll just ignore.

Trump poised to drop IRS suit, launch $1.7B 'weaponization' fund for allies: Sources

President Trump is expected to drop his $10 billion IRS suit in exchange for the creation of a $1.7 billion fund for victims of governmental "weaponization," sources say.

abcnews.com

Giving money to the January 6th insurrectionists should be a Federal crime.

 

[true_believer]

 

[HeIsHere]

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I remember when an alleged affair was enough to destroy a person's political ambitions, now it is all fine .. even 38 000 mentions/connections in the files are not worth of a dash of concern.

...and they say they do not bow.

 

[HeIsHere]

How much money does America spend on social programs? Australia spends about 1/3 of its taxpayers money on welfare. It's not only how much is spent, it is where and how it is spent. For example, defence expenditure in America mostly stays in America. It keeps major industries profitable. That is not a bad thing.

The great risk as far as I can see is AI and robots. Vast numbers of jobs have already been lost. Consumers drive the economy. That applies to most developed economies.

The good news for America is that the economy can manage the debt - for now. If that changes, everyone is in trouble.

Yes, it seems they are managing for now.

 

[Squigglylines]

Just wait till the Humanoid robots are manufacturing all the products, growing the food and all the people have lost their jobs and cant buy any of the goods or food the humanoid AI robots are making and growing. Make's one wonder how using robots to make and grow everything can be profitable when the people you intend on buying all the stuff the robots made no longer have jobs to make money to buy it with right? Lets make more humanoid robots,to take away the peoples job's, so they wont have any money to buy the stuff, so we get richer making the money they no longer have, so we can make more robots, so we ... Well unless the elites know something and their just not telling the public about not having enough human beings left to grow their food and make their stuff for them anymore. Who knows maybe there's gonna be a Greenland 3 and they will tell us whats gonna happen to all the people and why they needed the robots to make their stuff and grow their food. In the meanwhile we should just go about our everyday activities and wait and see if our cell phone rings and tells us which base we are suppose to report to.

 

[Gideon300]

Just wait till the Humanoid robots are manufacturing all the products, growing the food and all the people have lost their jobs and cant buy any of the goods or food the humanoid AI robots are making and growing. Make's one wonder how using robots to make and grow everything can be profitable when the people you intend on buying all the stuff the robots made no longer have jobs to make money to buy it with right? Lets make more humanoid robots,to take away the peoples job's, so they wont have any money to buy the stuff, so we get richer making the money they no longer have, so we can make more robots, so we ... Well unless the elites know something and their just not telling the public about not having enough human beings left to grow their food and make their stuff for them anymore. Who knows maybe there's gonna be a Greenland 3 and they will tell us whats gonna happen to all the people and why they needed the robots to make their stuff and grow their food. In the meanwhile we should just go about our everyday activities and wait and see if our cell phone rings and tells us which base we are suppose to report to.

One possible scenario is a

 

[Gideon300]

Just wait till the Humanoid robots are manufacturing all the products, growing the food and all the people have lost their jobs and cant buy any of the goods or food the humanoid AI robots are making and growing. Make's one wonder how using robots to make and grow everything can be profitable when the people you intend on buying all the stuff the robots made no longer have jobs to make money to buy it with right? Lets make more humanoid robots,to take away the peoples job's, so they wont have any money to buy the stuff, so we get richer making the money they no longer have, so we can make more robots, so we ... Well unless the elites know something and their just not telling the public about not having enough human beings left to grow their food and make their stuff for them anymore. Who knows maybe there's gonna be a Greenland 3 and they will tell us whats gonna happen to all the people and why they needed the robots to make their stuff and grow their food. In the meanwhile we should just go about our everyday activities and wait and see if our cell phone rings and tells us which base we are suppose to report to.

I have a new laptop and I'm getting used to it. One scenario is that governments tax each robot. The money is redistributed according to government rules. These can be used to control people. Non conformists will get little, puppets will prosper. China already has a social credit system. Behave and you will be rewarded. Misbehave and life will be miserable. Christians are assumed to be misbehaving and so punished.​

 

[ResidentAlien]

Giving money to the January 6th insurrectionists should be a Federal crime.

Maybe it should be; but even if it's not, it takes a pretty despicable person to do such a thing. Most normal people with a conscience wouldn't do it. The more I think about it, I'm not so sure he'll give the money to J6 insurrectionists; he'll probably use most of it to line his own pockets.