Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
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Was the Black Plague from a fallen world? The Earth groans and the stones cry out! I know people who say they are christian but have adopted Eastern Mysticism that "god" is equal good and evil.... Not knowing God's creation at all.... All we need to do is look at Genesis.... God's creation is perfect, death, disease came as a result of the fall.... of SIN!
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Where does the Fall play into your theology?
At the Fall, Adam rebelled against God.
This has resulted in all the death and suffering in the world.
However, God is in control, and the end result is the redemption of the elect. These elect know that sin only leads to death and suffering. All humanity sees, or will see, the result of the Fall through the events that happen here.
God designed the creation, and he has exhaustive foreknowledge, so he knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:9-10). In fact, he is still in control, and disasters work toward the good of God's elect, according to Romans 8:28-30.
Now, at this point, some will cry foul because they don't think God elects, or chooses, individuals for salvation but this is a clear Scriptural teaching. So, take it up with God.
And it is also clear that God is sovereign over all things.
Romans 8:28-30 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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So, for God's elect, even the coronavirus will have some good outcome.
At the Fall, Adam rebelled against God.
This has resulted in all the death and suffering in the world.
However, God is in control, and the end result is the redemption of the elect. These elect know that sin only leads to death and suffering. All humanity sees, or will see, the result of the Fall through the events that happen here.
God designed the creation, and he has exhaustive foreknowledge, so he knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:9-10). In fact, he is still in control, and disasters work toward the good of God's elect, according to Romans 8:28-30.
Now, at this point, some will cry foul because they don't think God elects, or chooses, individuals for salvation but this is a clear Scriptural teaching. So, take it up with God.
And it is also clear that God is sovereign over all things.
Romans 8:28-30 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
(ESV)
So, for God's elect, even the coronavirus will have some good outcome.
There's got to be a lesson there.
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There was a time when I believed the forbidden fruit contained a toxic
agent. But when Eve tasted it, nothing happened. Her body displayed no
reaction to it. Plus; she went on just as naked as before without the slightest
shame.
There was also a time when I believed Eve inherited mortality from her
biological father just as people today believe they inherited mortality from
their biological fathers. But Eve was already in existence prior to the
forbidden fruit incident so there was no chance that Adam could've passed
mortality on to her biologically.
And then one day I realized there was an elephant in the middle of the room
that everybody, including myself, seemed content to ignore. It was the
Serpent.
When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, the Serpent immediately set to work
infecting both their bodies with mortality which, according to John 8:44 and
Heb 2:14, is his stock in trade so to speak.
According to Rev 22:2 the tree of life is basically medicinal. It could've
healed their bodies and restored them to immortality, but such was not to
be.
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There was a time when I believed the forbidden fruit contained a toxic
agent. But when Eve tasted it, nothing happened. Her body displayed no
reaction to it. Plus; she went on just as naked as before without the slightest
shame.
There was also a time when I believed Eve inherited mortality from her
biological father just as people today believe they inherited mortality from
their biological fathers. But Eve was already in existence prior to the
forbidden fruit incident so there was no chance that Adam could've passed
mortality on to her biologically.
And then one day I realized there was an elephant in the middle of the room
that everybody, including myself, seemed content to ignore. It was the
Serpent.
When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, the Serpent immediately set to work
infecting both their bodies with mortality which, according to John 8:44 and
Heb 2:14, is his stock in trade so to speak.
According to Rev 22:2 the tree of life is basically medicinal. It could've
healed their bodies and restored them to immortality, but such was not to
be.
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As well "undermine Trump".. now that is funny.... all things and everything a conspiracy against him.
Here's a recent headline for a U-tube broadcast:
Democrats exaggerate COVID-19 fears to attack President Trump
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Fears are more than warranted, I really do not think you understand the scope of this problem.
Wrong.... Talk to an epidemiologist who study the numbers .. the numbers increase at an exponential rate... Trump should have done more at the start ...he hemmed and hawed and now there are probably 100 000 infections if not more.
Do you know that there is typically one ventilator for every 100 000 people .... tell me when the hospitals are over run this Covid 19 who is going to treat the person with the heart attack.
The USA is in the worst possible situation because of lack of action.... look at Italy same problem... the predictions for the US is on the same trajectory.
Wrong.... Talk to an epidemiologist who study the numbers .. the numbers increase at an exponential rate... Trump should have done more at the start ...he hemmed and hawed and now there are probably 100 000 infections if not more.
Do you know that there is typically one ventilator for every 100 000 people .... tell me when the hospitals are over run this Covid 19 who is going to treat the person with the heart attack.
The USA is in the worst possible situation because of lack of action.... look at Italy same problem... the predictions for the US is on the same trajectory.
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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
According to Gen 2:1-2, God completed the current cosmos with all of its
forms of life, matter, and energy in six days and then took a break on the
seventh day.
All the other days of creation were bounded by an evening and a morning;
but the seventh day wasn't bounded, it's open-ended; which tells me that
God has been on sabbatical ever since then and hasn't created anything new
for the current cosmos in all this time, so the coronavirus species have always
been here.
Is there anything of which one can say: "Look! This is something new." It
was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. (Ecc 1:10)
Anyway, we could ask the OP's question about lots of other things in nature
too like toad stools, poison ivy, lightening, rattlesnakes, scorpions,
avalanches, thorns, swamp water, quicksand, tornadoes, typhoons,
hurricanes, cactus needles, tsunamis, Carrington events, UV light,
gamma rays, rip tides, the vacuum of space, earthquakes, fire, lava, lead,
cadmium, and arsenic and hemlock.
Those things can be hazardous, yes, but they were all created to fit into the
natural scheme of things; and God pronounced them all just as much "very
good" as He pronounced everything else.
The problem isn't coronavirus nor any other virus for that matter. The real
problem is humanity's mortality. Once that's remedied, then all those
hazards will become entertainment instead of a threat to our health and
safety.
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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
According to Gen 2:1-2, God completed the current cosmos with all of its
forms of life, matter, and energy in six days and then took a break on the
seventh day.
All the other days of creation were bounded by an evening and a morning;
but the seventh day wasn't bounded, it's open-ended; which tells me that
God has been on sabbatical ever since then and hasn't created anything new
for the current cosmos in all this time, so the coronavirus species have always
been here.
Is there anything of which one can say: "Look! This is something new." It
was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. (Ecc 1:10)
Anyway, we could ask the OP's question about lots of other things in nature
too like toad stools, poison ivy, lightening, rattlesnakes, scorpions,
avalanches, thorns, swamp water, quicksand, tornadoes, typhoons,
hurricanes, cactus needles, tsunamis, Carrington events, UV light,
gamma rays, rip tides, the vacuum of space, earthquakes, fire, lava, lead,
cadmium, and arsenic and hemlock.
Those things can be hazardous, yes, but they were all created to fit into the
natural scheme of things; and God pronounced them all just as much "very
good" as He pronounced everything else.
The problem isn't coronavirus nor any other virus for that matter. The real
problem is humanity's mortality. Once that's remedied, then all those
hazards will become entertainment instead of a threat to our health and
safety.
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OK.
Well, my conviction is original sin.
Adam and Eve sinned. Their sin resulted in spiritual death, or separation from God (who is the source of all spiritual life) immediately. Adam acted as the federal head for all mankind.
Physical death, disease, and decay followed for all mankind, because Adam was acting as the federal head of the human race as well.
All mankind is born in sin, due to Adam's sin being imputed to them. They are made sinners by Adam's sin. Adam's sin is not only imputed to them, but since they are sinners by nature, their sin (in terms of their nature) will manifest itself by acts of sin.
Luckily, though, for those who are in Christ, Jesus' righteousness is imputed to them, and they are no longer subject to spiritual death.
They still have to deal with physical death, disease, and decay as a result of being Adam's offspring, in the short term. However, the resurrection redeems their mortal bodies at Jesus' return.
Many free-willers deny original sin, though. Why? Because it grates against their free-will theology and they cannot conceive that Adam's sin could be imputed to them, resulting in condemnation. At best, they might accept that physical death occurs due to Adam's sin, and they may acknowledge that man receives a sin nature from Adam. However, they absolutely cannot conceive of the idea that Adam's sin is imputed to them. This is because it grates against their free-willer presuppositions of fairness.
However, God really cares very little about their presuppositions. The storyline of Scripture makes total sense once someone understands these concepts, and gives up on their free-willer theology.
No, I blame Adam for viruses like coronavirus. However, at the same time, I know that all things, including the virus, work to the good of God's elect. And, he definitely has an elect. 1 Corinthians 1:26ff makes it abundantly clear that God has chosen a select group of people that he has given to his Son, out of sinful mankind. That's another truth that free-willers hate.
Romans 5:12-21 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(ESV)
See, these verses tell me what I need to know. All mankind was condemned by Adam's sin, and all mankind in Christ will be justified through Jesus' righteousness.
Often free-willers will accept the later, but reject the former. However, their storyline makes no sense. The Bible is coherent.
Well, my conviction is original sin.
Adam and Eve sinned. Their sin resulted in spiritual death, or separation from God (who is the source of all spiritual life) immediately. Adam acted as the federal head for all mankind.
Physical death, disease, and decay followed for all mankind, because Adam was acting as the federal head of the human race as well.
All mankind is born in sin, due to Adam's sin being imputed to them. They are made sinners by Adam's sin. Adam's sin is not only imputed to them, but since they are sinners by nature, their sin (in terms of their nature) will manifest itself by acts of sin.
Luckily, though, for those who are in Christ, Jesus' righteousness is imputed to them, and they are no longer subject to spiritual death.
They still have to deal with physical death, disease, and decay as a result of being Adam's offspring, in the short term. However, the resurrection redeems their mortal bodies at Jesus' return.
Many free-willers deny original sin, though. Why? Because it grates against their free-will theology and they cannot conceive that Adam's sin could be imputed to them, resulting in condemnation. At best, they might accept that physical death occurs due to Adam's sin, and they may acknowledge that man receives a sin nature from Adam. However, they absolutely cannot conceive of the idea that Adam's sin is imputed to them. This is because it grates against their free-willer presuppositions of fairness.
However, God really cares very little about their presuppositions. The storyline of Scripture makes total sense once someone understands these concepts, and gives up on their free-willer theology.
No, I blame Adam for viruses like coronavirus. However, at the same time, I know that all things, including the virus, work to the good of God's elect. And, he definitely has an elect. 1 Corinthians 1:26ff makes it abundantly clear that God has chosen a select group of people that he has given to his Son, out of sinful mankind. That's another truth that free-willers hate.
Romans 5:12-21 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(ESV)
See, these verses tell me what I need to know. All mankind was condemned by Adam's sin, and all mankind in Christ will be justified through Jesus' righteousness.
Often free-willers will accept the later, but reject the former. However, their storyline makes no sense. The Bible is coherent.
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I'm not sure what Weber is saying, or whether I agree with it, but one could infer that the tree of life indicates that God eventually wanted mankind to enjoy eternal life.
By the way, one must understand that what I mean by "eternal life" isn't just eternal life, but it is a quality of life. Living in God's presence is life, because God is the source of life.
They were thrown out of the Garden of Eden, which means they died spiritually, because they were no longer in His Presence.
God created mankind to live in fellowship with him.
Just so this is clear, I don't believe in "conditional mortality". I do believe that the wicked will continue to exist eternally, but they will not live in God's presence, so what they will have is not life, but death. They will continue to exist and be conscious, but they will no longer be in God's presence, therefore they are "dead" even while they continue to exist. That is what I see in Revelation 21-22, as they are "outside the city" but they still exist.
By the way, one must understand that what I mean by "eternal life" isn't just eternal life, but it is a quality of life. Living in God's presence is life, because God is the source of life.
They were thrown out of the Garden of Eden, which means they died spiritually, because they were no longer in His Presence.
God created mankind to live in fellowship with him.
Just so this is clear, I don't believe in "conditional mortality". I do believe that the wicked will continue to exist eternally, but they will not live in God's presence, so what they will have is not life, but death. They will continue to exist and be conscious, but they will no longer be in God's presence, therefore they are "dead" even while they continue to exist. That is what I see in Revelation 21-22, as they are "outside the city" but they still exist.