WHY?

[mustaphadrink]

Last week I read that there were 44,000 denominations. That in itself must make God cry. But that is not the subject of this post. What I want to ask is WHY most of them ignore the teaching of baptism and impose their own interpretation.

I will start with what happened at Pentecost where it says in Acts 2 v 38, Then Peter said to them "Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus baptism Matthew 3 V 16. and when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water and behold, the heavens were open to him.

John 3 v 23. John was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim because water was plentiful there

Matthew 28 v 19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8 v 36 And as they were going along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said "See here is water! What prevents me from being baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down INTO the water, Phillip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Acts 10 v 48. And he commanded them to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

Romans 6 V 3. Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized INTO CHRIST JESUS were baptized into his death?

Galatians 3 v 27. For as many as you were baptized INTO CHRIST have put on Christ.

Matthew 3 v 6. And they were baptized by him in the River Jordan, confessing their sins.

In the New Testament, baptism was in the name or into the name of Jesus, always by immersion, always when there was plenty of water available.

Only ONCE are we told to baptize in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. and as we know we never make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture. Therefore the overwhelming evidence is that you baptize by immersion in the name of Jesus or Jesus Christ. One final point nowhere in scripture do you baptize a baby by sprinkling water over its head.

So the question is why do we ignore the scripture on this subject and replace it with our own version?

Point 1. YOU DO NOT make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture

Point 2. ALL scripture is given by God (not some).

 

[Magenta]

Last week I read that there were 44,000 denominations. That in itself must make God cry.

That is a misunderstanding that gets thrown around as if it were truth when it is not.
Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are
nowhere close to 44,000 denominations. Many of these groups are merely subgroups
of larger denominational groups such as Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, or Baptists.

Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:

Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford
University Press, 1982). Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. Still, not all of them are Protestants.
According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).

However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines
"distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group.
The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.

Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually
mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."

Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced
at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded." source

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

this looks familiar.. You posted this in another chatroom

 

[Magenta]

I will start with what happened at Pentecost

Acts 1:1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach
2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to
the apostles he had chosen. 3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many
convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke
about the kingdom of God. 4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this
command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard
me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Acts 1:1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach
2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to
the apostles he had chosen. 3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many
convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke
about the kingdom of God. 4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this
command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard
me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

this part is fulfilled

“For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a few days later

“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s not what Christian’s are called to do with baptism we can’t send the Holy Ghost from heaven we’re called to the doctrine of baptism the baptism Jesus partook of

It’s now this same process

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying,

the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,

Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭

Jesus was baptized and received the Holy Ghost from heaven exactly what the church is commanded to do from the great commission

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same as Jesus he received the holy spirit as he was baptized it’s an example of baptism the one baptism is the one baptism Christ partook of the holy spirit can only come from Jesus in heaven like John said he would baotize with the holt ghost not us or John but only Jesus because

“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:33‬ ‭

That happened at pentocost it’s not an instruction for the church out instruction is to baptize in Jesus name for remission of sins he will give the spirit freely









we were never called to baptize with the Holy Ghost that’s something only Jesus can do from heaven we are instructed to baptize in his name

 

[Magenta]

this part is fulfilled

“For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a few days later

“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s not what Christian’s are called to do with baptism we can’t send the Holy Ghost from heaven we’re called to the doctrine of baptism the baptism Jesus partook of

It’s now this same process

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying,

the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,

Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭

Jesus was baptized and received the Holy Ghost from heaven exactly what the church is commanded to do from the great commission

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same as Jesus he received the holy spirit as he was baptized it’s an example of baptism the one baptism is the one baptism Christ partook of the holy spirit can only come from Jesus in heaven like John said he would baotize with the holt ghost not us or John but only Jesus because

“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:33‬ ‭

That happened at pentocost it’s not an instruction for the church out instruction is to baptize in Jesus name for remission of sins he will give the spirit freely

we were never called to baptize with the Holy Ghost that’s something only Jesus can do from heaven we are instructed to baptize in his name

True, we do not baptize with the Holy Spirit of God, but it is the baptism
of the Holy Spirit of God which brings us into the body of Christ.

 

[bluto]

Last week I read that there were 44,000 denominations. That in itself must make God cry. But that is not the subject of this post. What I want to ask is WHY most of them ignore the teaching of baptism and impose their own interpretation.

I will start with what happened at Pentecost where it says in Acts 2 v 38, Then Peter said to them "Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus baptism Matthew 3 V 16. and when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water and behold, the heavens were open to him.

John 3 v 23. John was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim because water was plentiful there

Matthew 28 v 19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8 v 36 And as they were going along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said "See here is water! What prevents me from being baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down INTO the water, Phillip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Acts 10 v 48. And he commanded them to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

Romans 6 V 3. Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized INTO CHRIST JESUS were baptized into his death?

Galatians 3 v 27. For as many as you were baptized INTO CHRIST have put on Christ.

Matthew 3 v 6. And they were baptized by him in the River Jordan, confessing their sins.

In the New Testament, baptism was in the name or into the name of Jesus, always by immersion, always when there was plenty of water available.

Only ONCE are we told to baptize in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. and as we know we never make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture. Therefore the overwhelming evidence is that you baptize by immersion in the name of Jesus or Jesus Christ. One final point nowhere in scripture do you baptize a baby by sprinkling water over its head.

So the question is why do we ignore the scripture on this subject and replace it with our own version?

Point 1. YOU DO NOT make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture

Point 2. ALL scripture is given by God (not some).

Who told you that were ignoring Scripture? Your the one that's ignoring Scripture when you "isolated" Acts 10:48 without the context. At Acts 10:44 the Apostle Peter is speaking and the "Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. Vs45, "And all the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed, (why?) because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also. Vs46, "For (or because) they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,

Vs47, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized WHO HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST AS WE DID CAN HE?"
Vs 48, "And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days." So, here you have a model of a certurion name Cornelius and his family hearing the gospel message and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, "BEFORE" being water baptized. Keep in mind, God only has to speak once for it to be the truth. Now, prove these Scriptures wrong?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

True, we do not baptize with the Holy Spirit of God, but it is the baptism
of the Holy Spirit of God which brings us into the body of Christ.

"For By One Spirit are we all Baptized into One Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into One Spirit." (1Co 12:13)

Amen.

 

[Magenta]

"For By One Spirit are we all Baptized into One Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,
whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into One Spirit." (1Co 12:13)

Amen.

Ephesians 4:5-6

 

[Artios1]

this looks familiar.. You posted this in another chatroom

agreed Link

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

agreed Link

Guess you caught me over there, asking 'marksman'?:


😇

 

[Artios1]

So the question is why do we ignore the scripture on this subject and replace it with our own version?

Point 1. YOU DO NOT make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture

Point 2. ALL scripture is given by God (not some).

Your last point is a bit confusing.

While I recognize there is a problem with Mat 28… since it was never practiced by the apostles…(which is a biggie) But if Jesus did say that ….then it should have been followed even if it was one time. (They should not be given any more leniency that my kids had, which was….“”one time””) However… I don’t think Jesus said it…. Based on the non-adherence by the apostles and Eusebius (260-340 A.D) who quotes Mat 28:19 as "Go disciple ye all the nations in my name” 17 times including an oration in Praise of Constantine.

Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching whether Christ was God or a creation of God. If the manuscripts (and we don’t know which they were) that he had in front of him were written as” in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” …. Eusebius never would have quoted it as saying “in my name”

Matthew is noted as having a few transcribe errors or deliberate forgeries and this could be one of them… But beyond the noted discrepancies there are no known manuscripts which offer any proof.

 

[Karlon]

Last week I read that there were 44,000 denominations. That in itself must make God cry. But that is not the subject of this post. What I want to ask is WHY most of them ignore the teaching of baptism and impose their own interpretation.

I will start with what happened at Pentecost where it says in Acts 2 v 38, Then Peter said to them "Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus baptism Matthew 3 V 16. and when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water and behold, the heavens were open to him.

John 3 v 23. John was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim because water was plentiful there

Matthew 28 v 19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8 v 36 And as they were going along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said "See here is water! What prevents me from being baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down INTO the water, Phillip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Acts 10 v 48. And he commanded them to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

Romans 6 V 3. Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized INTO CHRIST JESUS were baptized into his death?

Galatians 3 v 27. For as many as you were baptized INTO CHRIST have put on Christ.

Matthew 3 v 6. And they were baptized by him in the River Jordan, confessing their sins.

In the New Testament, baptism was in the name or into the name of Jesus, always by immersion, always when there was plenty of water available.

Only ONCE are we told to baptize in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. and as we know we never make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture. Therefore the overwhelming evidence is that you baptize by immersion in the name of Jesus or Jesus Christ. One final point nowhere in scripture do you baptize a baby by sprinkling water over its head.

So the question is why do we ignore the scripture on this subject and replace it with our own version?

Point 1. YOU DO NOT make a doctrine out of one verse of scripture

Point 2. ALL scripture is given by God (not some).

to be famous &, or, rich. in their minds they're going to be a "somebody".

 

[arthurfleminger]

Just before Jesus ascended to heaven, He made known the importance of Baptism.

Baptism is more than just a tradition or ritual. It is part of the Great Commission, the last command that Jesus gave before ascending into heaven.

Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”​

The same message is iterated in Mark's Gospel. Mark 16 15-16

15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Of importance is what the early Christian Church and Christians believed. They were the Apostles and those taught by the Apostles.. There is no doubt whatsoever that they placed great emphasis on water baptism, 'Baptizing in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is clearly documented in 'Acts of the Apostles' and early Christian writings.

 

[Artios1]

Just before Jesus ascended to heaven, He made known the importance of Baptism.

Baptism is more than just a tradition or ritual. It is part of the Great Commission, the last command that Jesus gave before ascending into heaven.

Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”​

The same message is iterated in Mark's Gospel. Mark 16 15-16

15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Of importance is what the early Christian Church and Christians believed. They were the Apostles and those taught by the Apostles.. There is no doubt whatsoever that they placed great emphasis on water baptism, 'Baptizing in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is clearly documented in 'Acts of the Apostles' and early Christian writings.

There are 3 places in Acts that talk about H2O baptism

Eunuch

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

It was not Phillips Idea


Gentiles

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

They were already born again ….they spoke in tongues.

Peter in Chapter 11 corrects himself

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Ephesus

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

It was a transition period ….for everyone.

That is it….. there is no other mention of water baptism throughout the NT. And no place did anyone baptize in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.


Moments before Jesus took to the air, He stated what others have already posted.

Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with/in the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

But is a contrasting conjunction... which basically mean ....when the greater comes the lesser is done away with

 

[Nehemiah6]

That is it….. there is no other mention of water baptism throughout the NT. And no place did anyone baptize in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Another false and misleading statement. There are many other places where water baptism is mentioned. And while we read in Acts about baptism "in the name of Jesus" or "in the name of the Lord Jesus" there is documentary evidence from the 2nd century that that was in fact equivalent to "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". And ever since all Christians have been baptized in this manner.

 

[Artios1]

There are many other places where water baptism is mentioned

Where?

in the name of the Lord Jesus" there is documentary evidence from the 2nd century that that was in fact equivalent to "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". And ever since all Christians have been baptized in this

The 2nd century ?? ....
Extrabiblical writings are from man ...and if it doesn't line up with the Word .... I can either believe the Word or what man has written....I am gunna stick with the Word.
What is equivalent to the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost...... IS → the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private (idios) = ones own interpretation.

And just because some in Christianity practice error …it doesn’t make it Truth.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The 2nd century ?? .... Extrabiblical writings are from man ...and if it doesn't line up with the Word .... I can either believe the Word or what man has written....I am gunna stick with the Word.

We are not talking about "extra biblbical writings". We are talking about the historical record. For over 100 years after the apostles passed on Christians were baptizing in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. And for over 2,000 years that is still the case.

And if you are gonna' stick with the Word then why don't you stick with Matthew 28:19. THOSE ARE THE RECORDED WORDS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF! Who has all power and authority in Heaven and on earth? Do His words count for anything?

 

[arthurfleminger]

There are 3 places in Acts that talk about H2O baptism

Eunuch

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

It was not Phillips Idea


Gentiles

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

They were already born again ….they spoke in tongues.

Peter in Chapter 11 corrects himself

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Ephesus

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

It was a transition period ….for everyone.

That is it….. there is no other mention of water baptism throughout the NT. And no place did anyone baptize in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.


Moments before Jesus took to the air, He stated what others have already posted.

Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with/in the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

But is a contrasting conjunction... which basically mean ....when the greater comes the lesser is done away with

Artios1, it's apparant from your post that you don't believe Jesus, when He commanded His disciples to, "Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I gave you."

Soooooooooo, let me think on whom I'm going to believe, you or Jesus.

I choose Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Soooooooooo, let me think on whom I'm going to believe, you or Jesus.

Exactly. This is all so tiresome that you have to wonder about some of these silly posts. The words of the Lord Jesus Christ -- written under divine inspiration -- have the ultimate authority.