Will people who miss the rapture have a chance to be saved?
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Yeah, how about while we hope for the best, we prepare for the WORST? I can't believe that you flibbertigibbets are still b!tching about an alien abduction while the world is burning and suffering. This may not be the end of the world, but it could be the end of YOUR world. Whether there's rapture or not, whenever it takes place, there's no guarantee that you and I are on the list.
Please read Matthew ch24 , 1 Thess & 2 Thess
Jesus says to us: "In the world you will have tribulation - be of good cheer for I have overcome the world."
We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus says to us: "In the world you will have tribulation - be of good cheer for I have overcome the world."
We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Please search the scriptures and see if you find the LORD or the Apostles giving a directive:
A.) that Christ will come before the Resurrection to rapture His Elect/Saints/Bride
and
B.) then come back again for a Third Coming to Resurrect the Dead in Him
and/or
C.) a rapture that occurs BEFORE His Second Coming and the Resurrection of the Dead in HIM
Discovery of such would end all speculation and be instrumental for the Body of Christ to know.
A.) that Christ will come before the Resurrection to rapture His Elect/Saints/Bride
and
B.) then come back again for a Third Coming to Resurrect the Dead in Him
and/or
C.) a rapture that occurs BEFORE His Second Coming and the Resurrection of the Dead in HIM
Discovery of such would end all speculation and be instrumental for the Body of Christ to know.
Its hard to talk about this for (oh I use to ALLOT) we can and not even know is allowing our personal belief become the truth. One brother 
said God never said (out of His mouth)Pre-trib. True.. yet mid-trib, post-trib also GOD never spoke. "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." He also before this said "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also"
Now no where in the word did He say or mean or really said "so where you are I will be". We all know He went back to the Father and we know that is where He prepared a place for us. I can not speak about those that didn't search enough and find so many that preached taught about Christ coming before the great tribulation 300-400ad (that one I found read others I didn't) and many before that. That does not prove anything other then some believed He was coming before. That is what I get when I read the word yet I cannot find it clearly written.
The same for post-trib..its not clearly written. Before Christ came and up to this very moment there are so many things God has done that is no written and most say nothing about that. Sorry but who are we again to say Christ can ONLY come take us after the great tribulation? Its not written.
Man what I have found out about my Father is... if I speak it believe it and its goes against HIs word He will say nothing and will not go against my will. Think how many times to you speak negative not word of life? What if you ONLY spoke what HE said..you know those promises? What if you just believed that? To simple trust in Him you are covered in mercy " But he who trusts in the LORD, mercy shall surround him." .
I ask you from my heart as your bother to pease watch how we speak of these things for many are weak in the faith. To lead just ONE the wrong way we don't answer to man but to a GOD! Best learn repent here. So maybe say "this is what I believe and why",
I LOVE believing at any moment He will come back for me.. He said it would. Its MAN its believers telling me "nope what He really meant was". His word is not saying it. So I love love love thinking about Him every moment... knowing He will come.. is this HOPE I am speaking about now? Guess what song is playing right this second. "YOU KEEP HOPE ALIVE"...what are the odds..again thankyou Father.
So I am ready now.. a I can't find pre mid or post and no way (forgive me) will I put my faith in what someone that has no more info then I. So I am ready now.. I will not miss Him. Those that are still here.. salvation is not gone.. its just He (something) that was holding the lawless one back was taken out of the way. We have all power NOW yet during the great tribulation ..Satan is given power over the saints? That does not bother you? YOU HAVE all power all authority over the enemy.. that will NEVER be taken away.. its christ in you.
Sorry I went on so long.. and sorry. no writer..
said God never said (out of His mouth)Pre-trib. True.. yet mid-trib, post-trib also GOD never spoke. "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." He also before this said "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also"Now no where in the word did He say or mean or really said "so where you are I will be". We all know He went back to the Father and we know that is where He prepared a place for us. I can not speak about those that didn't search enough and find so many that preached taught about Christ coming before the great tribulation 300-400ad (that one I found read others I didn't) and many before that. That does not prove anything other then some believed He was coming before. That is what I get when I read the word yet I cannot find it clearly written.
The same for post-trib..its not clearly written. Before Christ came and up to this very moment there are so many things God has done that is no written and most say nothing about that. Sorry but who are we again to say Christ can ONLY come take us after the great tribulation? Its not written.
Man what I have found out about my Father is... if I speak it believe it and its goes against HIs word He will say nothing and will not go against my will. Think how many times to you speak negative not word of life? What if you ONLY spoke what HE said..you know those promises? What if you just believed that? To simple trust in Him you are covered in mercy " But he who trusts in the LORD, mercy shall surround him." .
I ask you from my heart as your bother to pease watch how we speak of these things for many are weak in the faith. To lead just ONE the wrong way we don't answer to man but to a GOD! Best learn repent here. So maybe say "this is what I believe and why",
I LOVE believing at any moment He will come back for me.. He said it would. Its MAN its believers telling me "nope what He really meant was". His word is not saying it. So I love love love thinking about Him every moment... knowing He will come.. is this HOPE I am speaking about now? Guess what song is playing right this second. "YOU KEEP HOPE ALIVE"...what are the odds..again thankyou Father.
So I am ready now.. a I can't find pre mid or post and no way (forgive me) will I put my faith in what someone that has no more info then I. So I am ready now.. I will not miss Him. Those that are still here.. salvation is not gone.. its just He (something) that was holding the lawless one back was taken out of the way. We have all power NOW yet during the great tribulation ..Satan is given power over the saints? That does not bother you? YOU HAVE all power all authority over the enemy.. that will NEVER be taken away.. its christ in you.
Sorry I went on so long.. and sorry. no writer..
Revelation and Ezekiel speaks of the fact that those that really never had a chance will. It talks about the king and queens of the ethnos bringing there people to the temple to be taught by those that are Gods elect the Zadok. You see what is tought in most churches today and you can understand just why the people need that extra time. By your question you may end up there, There is no rapture of the church. Satan comes at the 6th seal 6th vial and the 6th trump 666. The 2 witness are killed and their dead bodies lie in the street for 31/2 days then they are resurrected and Jesus returns to set up the Millennial reign right here on earth. At the end Satan will be released to deceave as many as he can again, then God returns to earth to set up the eternal kingdom right here on earth.
No, because if they are willing to believe a lie now it will be like taking candy from a baby when the DECEIVER gets here. The big problem is ALL WHO BELIEVE IN PRE TRIB RAPTURE WILL BE MISSING IT as it won't be taking place.
IT GOES AGAINST WHAT IS WRITTEN.
1. Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
2. Luke 9:23 And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
3. Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of Me
4. Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows*, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly 21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD 22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life
5. Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter 25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season 26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
6. Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
7. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
8. Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
9. Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10. Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9 For the LORD's portion is His people; Jacob is the lot of His inheritance.
11. Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
12. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
13. Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
* pillows 'cushion' magic charms Like saying
BECOME A CHRISTIAN and DON'T YOU WORRY, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU FIND YOURSELF LIVING IN THE TIMES WRITTEN OF IN REVELATION OR MATT OR MARK OR LUKE OR JOHN OR PAUL OR PETER OR JUDE OR ANY OF THE SCARY PARTS,
THEY WON'T APPLY TO YOU. THEY ONLY APPLY TO THEM. YOU WILL FLY AWAY BEFORE THE TROUBLE EVEN BEGINS
2Timothy 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please Him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
And when God is ready the angels will take you to Him so that you can be where He is. Just like Peter is, and Paul, and all the disciples and the captivity he led captive when He ascended when the graves were opened. When the Old Covenant ended and the New began.
IT GOES AGAINST WHAT IS WRITTEN.
1. Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
2. Luke 9:23 And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
3. Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of Me
4. Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows*, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly 21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD 22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life
5. Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter 25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season 26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
6. Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
7. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
8. Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
9. Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10. Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9 For the LORD's portion is His people; Jacob is the lot of His inheritance.
11. Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
12. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
13. Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
* pillows 'cushion' magic charms Like saying
BECOME A CHRISTIAN and DON'T YOU WORRY, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU FIND YOURSELF LIVING IN THE TIMES WRITTEN OF IN REVELATION OR MATT OR MARK OR LUKE OR JOHN OR PAUL OR PETER OR JUDE OR ANY OF THE SCARY PARTS,
THEY WON'T APPLY TO YOU. THEY ONLY APPLY TO THEM. YOU WILL FLY AWAY BEFORE THE TROUBLE EVEN BEGINS
2Timothy 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please Him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
And when God is ready the angels will take you to Him so that you can be where He is. Just like Peter is, and Paul, and all the disciples and the captivity he led captive when He ascended when the graves were opened. When the Old Covenant ended and the New began.
Sister, doesn't your answer inflect a presumptuous obedience and a proven Galatians 2:20 meaning of all those who are born again? Your predicative clausal statement "Dying to self is often harder than dying once." determines the second statement. In that lies a presumption of obedience - chiefly that all believers die to themselves. I am assuming that is a Romans 6:6 meaning - yet what of our walk?
I am not concerned by anyone believing that they have to go through the tribulation - other than as a concern for their mental health if they fearfully believe that this means will bring them to a state of worthiness.
I was simply narrating a meaning (whilst not upholding the Time of Jacobs Trouble claim you were answering. The reason for that is because whilst I can receive your statement that dying to ourselves is a daily obedience [your process] that meaning necessarily must have some fruit. I believe that the question you answered was improperly constructed. Nevertheless, can we say that the churches are ready for Christ as a thief in the night? That cannot be the case seeing there are so many difficulties in the churches. So how much time do we have to dress in readiness? In my own calling and revelation given by the Father we may have no more than a dozen years to come to obedience and deny ourselves before the churches will be snatched away.
I cannot see that being snatched away in a state of fleshy self interest will produce an easy entrance into the Kingdom to come. In that meaning I can see why you were asked the question you answered.
I was simply narrating a meaning (whilst not upholding the Time of Jacobs Trouble claim you were answering. The reason for that is because whilst I can receive your statement that dying to ourselves is a daily obedience [your process] that meaning necessarily must have some fruit. I believe that the question you answered was improperly constructed. Nevertheless, can we say that the churches are ready for Christ as a thief in the night? That cannot be the case seeing there are so many difficulties in the churches. So how much time do we have to dress in readiness? In my own calling and revelation given by the Father we may have no more than a dozen years to come to obedience and deny ourselves before the churches will be snatched away.
I cannot see that being snatched away in a state of fleshy self interest will produce an easy entrance into the Kingdom to come. In that meaning I can see why you were asked the question you answered.
And so Gods wrath doesn't fall on us. DOES IT SAY IT DOESN'T FALL AROUND US or is that your personal belief. Remember the plagues in Egypt? Didn't touch the children of God nor their animals. Do you not have faith in the power of God to have wrath fall on them while not touching you? The children of God went through the sea, on dry land even the army that followed got swallowed up. Don't you have faith in the power of God? The ground swallowed up Korah and family and all the rest but not one other. Don't you have faith in the power of God? The alive and remaining aren't changed until Christ returns so how would they get to heaven? He is coming here. He is coming here. Will His enemies have been made His footstool pre trib? no What did God say? UNTIL...
HOW CAN ANY ONE DISREGARD VERSES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN FAVOR OF VERSES THAT NEVER WERE? I just don't get it.
Why do you think we keep asking you the same question?
Answer HOPING AND PRAYING ONE DAY YOU WILL HEAR THE VERY FIRST WORDS OF THE MINISTRY OF JESUS.
Because if you do, then you will understand.
Think about it. PRE TRIB DISREGARDS THE WORDS OF GOD THAT ARE WRITTEN IN FAVOR OF WORDS THAT AREN'T AND ON TOP OF THAT CONFLICT WITH THOSE THAT ARE.
HOW CAN ANY ONE DISREGARD VERSES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN FAVOR OF VERSES THAT NEVER WERE? I just don't get it.
Why do you think we keep asking you the same question?
Answer HOPING AND PRAYING ONE DAY YOU WILL HEAR THE VERY FIRST WORDS OF THE MINISTRY OF JESUS.
Because if you do, then you will understand.
Think about it. PRE TRIB DISREGARDS THE WORDS OF GOD THAT ARE WRITTEN IN FAVOR OF WORDS THAT AREN'T AND ON TOP OF THAT CONFLICT WITH THOSE THAT ARE.