Will The Actual Calvinists Here Please Stand Up?

[Blain]

What do you do with the teaching that the natural man,mind,cannot understand the things of God?

Only if the holy Spirit enters in,by his will not ours due to the natural mind state, will we understand the things of God.

This tells us it is the choice of the holy Spirit to enter us first.

It would seem the characteristics of God, Sovereignty,Dominion, Omniscience,Omnipresence, Omnipotence, would be superior to our limited mortal own.

Because everything we are from the cellular, molecular level and beyond is of God as his creation.

How does the pot make a choice of its own that overcomes or supercedes its creator?

yes before we are born again and still in our carnal thinking we cannot understand the things of God that is why we must be born again and the holy spirit enters into us. but he is a gentlemen he does not enter without first being invited, when I was saved do you know what it took for me to be born again? yes I knew the usual church teachings you learn in church I knew to pray I knew to read the bible but I was still even with all this dead inside it took me coming to my lowest point and literally begging God to come into my heart only then was I born again when I surrendered everything to him just feel alive just to have a reason to live.

WE have to understand that more than an all knowing all powerful God he is a father first he loves like a father he teaches like a father he directs and instructs like a father if you change your thinking to that of a parent then you understand his ways much more he never forces anything on us he only offers us a way to go

But he doesn't want some of us or most of us he wants all of us he desires utter surrender in order to come into our hearts. but once you do it is like suddenly there is a fire inside you and all around you like electricity flowing through you a combination of his love and power that brings your heart to melt for him

A love so deep it pierces your heart and you bleed for him you ache for him you need more of him your hunger is never sated your thirst never quenched, do you know of the things I speak of? if not then your missing out if you do then you should understand why and what it takes to be born again because it is a surrender of the heart and that my friend is in fact a choice

 

[Blain]

He is the Father who created the maternal instinct, perhaps modeled after His own love for all of us. Can a father not love his child and still be disappointed in them at the same time? He desires for all of us to be in heaven if it were possible. However, the wicked cannot dwell with the righteous in heaven, and God must judge the wicked for their sins.

exactly where do people think those maturnal instincts come from? he can love and be dissapointed in us which is why he chastens us as a parent would he is the original parent the role model of what it is to be one and no parent in their right minds would condemn one of their children to death from birth and not another one that goes against what being a loving parent is.

I am not a parent nor do I intend to have any kids but even I understand this much how much more should an actual parent understand this?

 

[GWH]

What do you do with the teaching that the natural man,mind,cannot understand the things of God?

Only if the holy Spirit enters in,by his will not ours due to the natural mind state, will we understand the things of God.

This tells us it is the choice of the holy Spirit to enter us first.

It would seem the characteristics of God, Sovereignty,Dominion, Omniscience,Omnipresence, Omnipotence, would be superior to our limited mortal own.

Because everything we are from the cellular, molecular level and beyond is of God as his creation.

How does the pot make a choice of its own that overcomes or supercedes its creator?

But that is just the point: While we were still sinners God so loved the world that as Christ He died for natural man--and not just some, but for everyone.
Yet the fact that not everyone reflects God's love and accepts Christ tells us that sinners are able to resist the entrance of the HS or not open the door to let Jesus in.
What perverse part of your fallen nature leads you to list God's "Sovereignty,Dominion, Omniscience,Omnipresence, Omnipotence" but omit Omnilove?!

 

[bluejean_bible]

yes before we are born again and still in our carnal thinking we cannot understand the things of God that is why we must be born again and the holy spirit enters into us. but he is a gentlemen he does not enter without first being invited, when I was saved do you know what it took for me to be born again? yes I knew the usual church teachings you learn in church I knew to pray I knew to read the bible but I was still even with all this dead inside it took me coming to my lowest point and literally begging God to come into my heart only then was I born again when I surrendered everything to him just feel alive just to have a reason to live.

WE have to understand that more than an all knowing all powerful God he is a father first he loves like a father he teaches like a father he directs and instructs like a father if you change your thinking to that of a parent then you understand his ways much more he never forces anything on us he only offers us a way to go

But he doesn't want some of us or most of us he wants all of us he desires utter surrender in order to come into our hearts. but once you do it is like suddenly there is a fire inside you and all around you like electricity flowing through you a combination of his love and power that brings your heart to melt for him

A love so deep it pierces your heart and you bleed for him you ache for him you need more of him your hunger is never sated your thirst never quenched, do you know of the things I speak of? if not then your missing out if you do then you should understand why and what it takes to be born again because it is a surrender of the heart and that my friend is in fact a choice

It's tragic that I cite scriptures that tells us God does the work to call us to his salvation because we cannot choose to receive his Spirit or understand his word only to have you question if I am saved.

Because you insist you chose to let God save you all on your own.

God's word says it. You claim to believe it. And then prove you don't. You have to add your capacity to choose God. Because you cannot accept Jesus telling you that doesn't happen. He chooses you.

John 6:65
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

John 15:16
"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

Even Judas was chosen as part of God's will and plan.

John 13:18 "I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’ "

When Gods word doesn't reach you,I can't lead you to understanding. That's God's role in all creation as Creator.

This is the hubris present in another. They think they are qualified to call themselves teacher of the Bible.

They don't accept what God teaches in his inspired words.

Instead they,like you,think to add to or omit what God messaged to his Chosen.

That's not God's word or respect for it. That's natural man's Sophistry.
Pride,Ego,Vanity, insists we choose to save ourselves. And then have to work to keep what we chose for ourselves.

That omits the work of Jesus' ministry and his work,sacrifice,on the cross.

Unfortunately you aren't alone here in your errant thinking. There are others insisting their view rewrites God's.
And you all are convinced you're right when God's word says differently.

 

[Blain]

It's tragic that I cite scriptures that tells us God does the work to call us to his salvation because we cannot choose to receive his Spirit or understand his word only to have you question if I am saved.

Because you insist you chose to let God save you all on your own.

God's word says it. You claim to believe it. And then prove you don't. You have to add your capacity to choose God. Because you cannot accept Jesus telling you that doesn't happen. He chooses you.

John 6:65
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

John 15:16
"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

Even Judas was chosen as part of God's will and plan.

John 13:18 "I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’ "

When Gods word doesn't reach you,I can't lead you to understanding. That's God's role in all creation as Creator.

This is the hubris present in another. They think they are qualified to call themselves teacher of the Bible.

They don't accept what God teaches in his inspired words.

Instead they,like you,think to add to or omit what God messaged to his Chosen.

That's not God's word or respect for it. That's natural man's Sophistry.
Pride,Ego,Vanity, insists we choose to save ourselves. And then have to work to keep what we chose for ourselves.

That omits the work of Jesus' ministry and his work,sacrifice,on the cross.

Unfortunately you aren't alone here in your errant thinking. There are others insisting their view rewrites God's.
And you all are convinced you're right when God's word says differently.

no I am not questioning if you are saved only if you knew of what I was talking about, and I was drawn to him from my suffering it wasn't that I chose on my own but rather I was brought to his feet from my own suffering.
from that I was saved not by own power but I did choose to surrender to him.

 

[bluejean_bible]

no I am not questioning if you are saved only if you knew of what I was talking about, and I was drawn to him from my suffering it wasn't that I chose on my own but rather I was brought to his feet from my own suffering.
from that I was saved not by own power but I did choose to surrender to him.

You knew he was there because he drew you to him. I think suffering is one method by which God leads us to him.

Think of how Jesus suffered during his trials before being crucified.

Mel Gibson's Passion of The Christ graphically portrayed what scripture describes.

I brought travel size Kleenex packs with me in case my theater neighbors needed them too.

Jesus said, no one can come to him unless the father leads,calls,them to him.

In the midst of our suffering he knows we will hear. And heal.