Will There Be A Rapture?

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I do not believe so because of many verses but hey if you believe rapture that's fine just be prepared if there is not one. Many rapture preachers mess up by saying you don't need to read revelation because we won't be here. It's the only book that says you are blessed for reading. So Def learn about it and know the many different interpretations for end times then just use discernment as we go day by day.

Are you post-trib then?


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[homwardbound]

I do not believe so because of many verses but hey if you believe rapture that's fine just be prepared if there is not one. Many rapture preachers mess up by saying you don't need to read revelation because we won't be here. It's the only book that says you are blessed for reading. So Def learn about it and know the many different interpretations for end times then just use discernment as we go day by day.

learn from God, Father of risen Son directly, thank you for your insightful post, to me anyway
God simply loves us all, otherwise that cross would have never happened imho

 

[Publican]

Firstly, where does that word 'rapture' come from, because it's not in the Greek manuscripts of The New Testament?

It comes from a Latin translation of the Greek word 'harpazo', which means 'to seize' or 'take away'. In the KJV Bible Greek harpazo is translated as "caught up", etc. (1 Thess.4:17; Matt.13:19; John 6:15; John 10:12; John 10:28; Acts 8:39; 2 Cor.12:2 & 12:4).

The thing that I find many brethren are confused about, is that Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 showed that the saints still alive when Jesus descends from Heaven are "caught up" immediately after the dead saints are RESURRECTED first. Paul showed the asleep saints will be raised first (1 Thess,4:16). Per John 6:40, Jesus showed the future resurrection is to happen on the LAST DAY of this world.

That means brethren, that Jesus comes to gather His Church on the last day... of this world, which is when the future resurrection of the asleep saints also happens. In other Scripture, like 1 Thess.5, Apostle Paul showed that day of Christ's future coming "as a thief" will be on the "day of the Lord". Jesus Himself showed us that in Revelation 16:15 within the 6th Vial timing when He declared that He comes "as a thief".


So why... would a faithful servant of Jesus Christ want to listen to men's doctrines that steer one away from the written Scripture about Lord Jesus coming AFTER... the tribulation to gather His Church, that being Lord Jesus' Own declaration of the time of His future return, as written? Why would anyone listen to men instead of our Lord Jesus Christ?


The below Scripture by Lord Jesus aligns perfectly with the gathering of the Church that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Two groups of saints are gathering when Jesus descends from Heaven according to Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.4. The 'asleep' saints that have died Paul said that Jesus will bring with Him when He comes (1 Thess.4:13-16). That's the above group that is gathered "from one end of heaven to the other." And Paul said those will be resurrected first.


Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

But the above example is different than the Matt.24 version. Here Jesus is pointing to the saints still alive... on earth being gathered, "...from the uttermost part of the earth...". These are "caught up" per 1 Thessalonians 4:17. This is what many call a 'rapture'.

I find that many brethren on men's pre-tribulational rapture theory don't actually understand what Apostle Paul taught about the gathering of the Church in 1 Thess.4. Something is terribly wrong in Denmark because of their belief on man's pre-trib rapture idea. Lord Jesus simply did not teach that idea.

Dispensational heresies have deceived the "church" and paved the way for everything we see going on presently. If the Zionists get their way, they will build a temple for the Jews with full knowledge that Satan himself will one day declare it to be his throne on earth. Wrap your mind around that little gem.

 

[DavyP]

Dispensational heresies have deceived the "church" and paved the way for everything we see going on presently. If the Zionists get their way, they will build a temple for the Jews with full knowledge that Satan himself will one day declare it to be his throne on earth. Wrap your mind around that little gem.

I already understand that is what is coming, and the majority of the world will believe Satan is The Christ, for that is how God's Word reveals the role Satan will play in coming to our world at the end.

If you haven't yet, see Ezekiel 13 where God shows He is against those who teach His people to 'fly' to save their souls. That reveals that the false pre-trib rapture doctrine of man would be a factor of deception for many at the end of this world. And because that warning is back in Ezekiel 13 reveals something else. God obviously knew only His faithful saints in the latter days would bother to study all His Word, to include that Ezekiel 13 Chapter.

 

[homwardbound]

I already understand that is what is coming, and the majority of the world will believe Satan is The Christ, for that is how God's Word reveals the role Satan will play in coming to our world at the end.

If you haven't yet, see Ezekiel 13 where God shows He is against those who teach His people to 'fly' to save their souls. That reveals that the false pre-trib rapture doctrine of man would be a factor of deception for many at the end of this world. And because that warning is back in Ezekiel 13 reveals something else. God obviously knew only His faithful saints in the latter days would bother to study all His Word, to include that Ezekiel 13 Chapter.

Wow, read it, thank you, a reverent fear we the people need, as IO can only speak for me in free choice given as well
I saw from that chapter where Jesus talked of A persons house what it is built upon, thanks

 

[Webers.Home]

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It's not all that simple to transfer thoughts from an ancient language like
Hebrew into a modern vernacular. Sometimes scholars have to take their
best educated guess at the meanings of some of the old testament's saying.
With a passage like Ezek 13:20 it's a good idea to compare a number of
versions and see what others think it might be saying.

Anyway, from what I gather, there were some sorcerers out and about
attempting to turn men's intangible souls into tangible birds that could then
be caught in a snare. Sort of like the magic of shape shifting.
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[homwardbound]

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It's not all that simple to transfer thoughts from an ancient language like
Hebrew into a modern vernacular. Sometimes scholars have to take their
best educated guess at the meanings of some of the old testament's saying.
With a passage like Ezek 13:20 it's a good idea to compare a number of
versions and see what others think it might be saying.

Anyway, from what I gather, there were some sorcerers out and about
attempting to turn men's intangible souls into tangible birds that could then
be caught in a snare. Sort of like the magic of shape shifting.
_

Interesting, no flesh can ever please but Son's that did once for us all to invited in and be given it, as long as one's motive is pure as Solomons was and god gave him everything, amazing. Yet Solomon failed also And even admitted to it
I see to only trust God as I have not always either, learning to, thanking Farther and Son

 

[Publican]

I already understand that is what is coming, and the majority of the world will believe Satan is The Christ, for that is how God's Word reveals the role Satan will play in coming to our world at the end.

If you haven't yet, see Ezekiel 13 where God shows He is against those who teach His people to 'fly' to save their souls. That reveals that the false pre-trib rapture doctrine of man would be a factor of deception for many at the end of this world. And because that warning is back in Ezekiel 13 reveals something else. God obviously knew only His faithful saints in the latter days would bother to study all His Word, to include that Ezekiel 13 Chapter.

Spent a lot of the summer praying for those in v22-23.
Thanks for sharing.

 

[DavyP]

Spent a lot of the summer praying for those in v22-23.
Thanks for sharing.

God has spiritually blinded some of them, so my hope is that He will still save them in the future Millennium reign by Christ and His elect. Recall the one in 1 Corinthians 5 that was having sex with his mother. Paul condemned that one's flesh so that his 'spirit' might be saved in "the day of the Lord Jesus" (i.e., Christ's future Millennium reign).

 

[Publican]

God has spiritually blinded some of them, so my hope is that He will still save them in the future Millennium reign by Christ and His elect. Recall the one in 1 Corinthians 5 that was having sex with his mother. Paul condemned that one's flesh so that his 'spirit' might be saved in "the day of the Lord Jesus" (i.e., Christ's future Millennium reign).

As one who was delivered from the worst possible collection of sins, only to fall into even worse sin several years later. And then after running from God (think Adam) for most of my adult life, only to be gently and lovingly returned to the fold late 22. I can say wholeheartedly that backsliders and lukewarm believers are at the top of my prayer list. I believe in the perseverance of the saints.
All Glory to Yah.

 

[Psalm1]

Sir. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. And some shepherds have twisted 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 to make it into rapture theory. I'm not here to debate about it. I plant seeds and move. If anyone wants to believe in it. Its fine with me.
Satan, and all evil spirits, in the name of Jesus Christ, Get behind me !!

The rapture or "catching up" is the gathering of the bride.
Stop calling Jesus , his body, and his Bible satan.

 

[Psalm1]

I do not believe so because of many verses but hey if you believe rapture that's fine just be prepared if there is not one. Many rapture preachers mess up by saying you don't need to read revelation because we won't be here. It's the only book that says you are blessed for reading. So Def learn about it and know the many different interpretations for end times then just use discernment as we go day by day.

The absence of the teaching of the pretrib rapture in today's modern churches is an indication of the backslidden church.

 

[j55]

The rapture or "catching up" is the gathering of the bride.
Stop calling Jesus , his body, and his Bible satan.

Buddy. Don't cause trouble. Reprobates believe in the rapture, and are not part of the body of Christ. They are fakse brethren. Rapture is false doctrine. Go jump off mountain.

 

[Psalm1]

Buddy. Don't cause trouble. Reprobates believe in the rapture, and are not part of the body of Christ. They are fakse brethren. Rapture is false doctrine. Go jump off mountain.

What a nasty person you are.

Born again believers can disagree.
Eschatology is not part of salvation.

 

[j55]

What a nasty person you are.

Born again believers can disagree.
Eschatology is not part of salvation.

You lied, and made up something I would never say about Body of Christ and God. Your not Christian. You keep making up lies about me.
You're not Christian. Your fakse brethren on path of self preservation to defend your traditions and rapture. Im going to expose false brethren. You guve me indigestion. Keep away.