Will they cover it up?

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PennEd said:
I'd bet the ranch you never went a day in your life hungry. You move 3 feet and Wallah!!! ALL the water you want at your fingertips. Cold. No problem. Turn on the heat. Hot. No problem turn on the AC. Walk another 3 feet and Boom! Theres a refrigerator stocked with food.

After getting fat, dumb, and happy, stroll back over to the couch to bash the USA anew!!
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No need to go hungry - I just house/baby sit for people making household incomes over $34,000 - burp.

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PennEd said:
More diversion.

Let's see if you can follow along Ms. Susanna:


Ms. Susanna post 6 -
We need to stop bothering rich people holding powerful, political positions. All actions taken by them is solely in the best interest of the people. There’s no conflicts of interest. No collusion. No deception. No lying. No greed.

Rich people need a break from us ordinary people. It’s not them spending taxpayers money, it’s us. Like the tzar they know what’s best for us.

I hope that the people in charge now will be left in peace exercising power, unbothered by reports, feds, homeland security, intelligence in general, the IRS, voters, people and climate changes.


My response post 8 -
Like the Israelites constantly complaining in the wilderness.....

You DO realize that YOU are one of those horrible "rich" people don't you?

If you have a household income over $34,000 a yr YOU are in the 1 percent wealthiest people in the World.

So look in the mirror if you have a problem with somebody else's wealth. To someone in Haiti, most of Africa, most of South America, most of Asia, India, etc... YOU ARE BILL GATES!
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You created a strawman argument from her original sarcastic post. She wasn't speaking of the world's rich/poor. In fact, she wasn't even necessarily saying the rich people in the US ought to hand over their money. She was speaking of American "rich people" who use their wealth in an unethical and immoral way.

Her making $34,000 or more in comparison to a Chinese kid in a sweat shop who makes $5 a day is irrelevant to her point that everyone should follow the law or face the legal ramifications of not doing so. People should obey the law, from illegal immigration to paying taxes... the sweat shops can be a conversation for another thread.
 
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A perfect example of wealthy people/corporations using their wealth unethically could be seen in my brother's profession. He went to school for a couple of years and got on as a plant operator for Exxon. They financially compensate people fresh out of school starting near 6-digits. While they absolutely take care of their employees financially, he has been in meetings where they discuss how much money they will be setting aside for fines/legal fees for breaking EPA standards/regulations.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no tree-hugger. I don't even belong to the group of people that think man caused climate change. I believe climate change has been a thing for ages, independently of mans doing. Nevertheless, the plant (which is 2 miles from a major residential area in Houston) is free to do as they wish because of their wealth. The laws were changed which use to require them to shut down their plant for repeated offenses to merely monetary fines. They hire an army of lobbyists to ensure the status-quo stays.

This isn't unique or an isolated event. Do only ultra wealthy Americans break the laws? No, but to pretend that everyone has the financial flexibility to bypass laws/regulations the same way that wealthy people/corporations can is silly.
 
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Redrum187 said:
A perfect example of wealthy people/corporations using their wealth unethically could be seen in my brother's profession. He went to school for a couple of years and got on as a plant operator for Exxon. They financially compensate people fresh out of school starting near 6-digits. While they absolutely take care of their employees financially, he has been in meetings where they discuss how much money they will be setting aside for fines/legal fees for breaking EPA standards/regulations.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no tree-hugger. I don't even belong to the group of people that think man caused climate change. I believe climate change has been a thing for ages, independently of mans doing. Nevertheless, the plant (which is 2 miles from a major residential area in Houston) is free to do as they wish because of their wealth. The laws were changed which use to require them to shut down their plant for repeated offenses to merely monetary fines. They hire an army of lobbyists to ensure the status-quo stays.

This isn't unique or an isolated event. Do only ultra wealthy Americans break the laws? No, but to pretend that everyone has the financial flexibility to bypass laws/regulations the same way that wealthy people/corporations can is silly.
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I agree. The EPA should be shut down instead of using our tax dollars to clean up their mess!

Environmental Agency Uncorks Its Own Toxic Water Spill at Colorado Mine
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DURANGO, Colo. — The Animas River is the cultural soul of this patch of southwestern Colorado, a sort of moving Main Street that hosts multiple floating parades a year and is typically bustling with rafters and kayakers. Schoolchildren study the river. Sweethearts marry on its banks. Its former name, given by Spaniards, is el Río de las Ánimas, the River of Souls.

But since Wednesday, the Animas has been grievously polluted with toxic water spilled from one of the many abandoned mines that pockmark the region — a spill for which the Environmental Protection Agency has claimed responsibility, saying it accidentally breached a store of chemical-laced water.

On Sunday, anger over the spill boiled over after the agency announced that the amount of toxic water released was three times what was previously stated — more than three million gallons rather than one million — and that officials were still unsure if there was a health threat to humans or animals.



AND... they should leave Exxon alone!
 
PennEd said:
I agree. The EPA should be shut down instead of using our tax dollars to clean up their mess!

Environmental Agency Uncorks Its Own Toxic Water Spill at Colorado Mine
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DURANGO, Colo. — The Animas River is the cultural soul of this patch of southwestern Colorado, a sort of moving Main Street that hosts multiple floating parades a year and is typically bustling with rafters and kayakers. Schoolchildren study the river. Sweethearts marry on its banks. Its former name, given by Spaniards, is el Río de las Ánimas, the River of Souls.

But since Wednesday, the Animas has been grievously polluted with toxic water spilled from one of the many abandoned mines that pockmark the region — a spill for which the Environmental Protection Agency has claimed responsibility, saying it accidentally breached a store of chemical-laced water.

On Sunday, anger over the spill boiled over after the agency announced that the amount of toxic water released was three times what was previously stated — more than three million gallons rather than one million — and that officials were still unsure if there was a health threat to humans or animals.



AND... they should leave Exxon alone!
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I'm not sure if you're intentionally deflecting people's points and instead focusing on your own political beliefs. The example I gave did mention Exxon and the EPA, but my point wasn't to discuss the merits and efficiency of the EPA. My point is that when someone or something has deep pockets, the laws becomes something to manipulate and control. Even if you hate the EPA, it does nothing to address the point that for Exxon, it's more lucrative to break the law.

I'm sorry you think the EPA is a waste of tax dollars, nevertheless, it's a government regulatory agency which sets standards/regulations (laws) that every corporation must be in compliance with. The fact you personally disagree with the EPA doesn't alleviate Exxon from their responsibility of being in compliance with the law of the land. You are doing the exact same thing a liberal who chooses to ignore the laws which prohibits undocumented/illegal immigrants from entering/overstaying. I'm sorry liberals disagree with the immigration laws, nevertheless, we are a nation of laws and ought to be subject to them. Having money shouldn't allow people or corporations the flexibility to break the law.
 
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^^^ *pfft* - that's nothing we have much better coloured and polluted water in Canada.


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Redrum187 said:
I'm not sure if you're intentionally deflecting people's points and instead focusing on your own political beliefs. The example I gave did mention Exxon and the EPA, but my point wasn't to discuss the merits and efficiency of the EPA. My point is that when someone or something has deep pockets, the laws becomes something to manipulate and control. Even if you hate the EPA, it does nothing to address the point that for Exxon, it's more lucrative to break the law.

I'm sorry you think the EPA is a waste of tax dollars, nevertheless, it's a government regulatory agency which sets standards/regulations (laws) that every corporation must be in compliance with. The fact you personally disagree with the EPA doesn't alleviate Exxon from their responsibility of being in compliance with the law of the land. You are doing the exact same thing a liberal who chooses to ignore the laws which prohibits undocumented/illegal immigrants from entering/overstaying. I'm sorry liberals disagree with the immigration laws, nevertheless, we are a nation of laws and ought to be subject to them. Having money shouldn't allow people or corporations the flexibility to break the law.
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I mean I can't really comprehend thoughts and ideas for you. Conversations are fluid. Sometimes they shoot off in different directions from the original thought.

That's why I posted how I arrived where I was in regards to the lady's 1st post, which certainly singled out the rich for abusing the law, even after, at least in this case, the rich (Trump) was exonerated! That led to a discussion on just "who" the rich are, since wealth is a relative position. Her post definitely came off as them vs us. The rich vs the poor.
Hence it was necessary to point out just how incredibly rich virtually all are in America.
 
PennEd said:
I mean I can't really comprehend thoughts and ideas for you. Conversations are fluid. Sometimes they shoot off in different directions from the original thought.

That's why I posted how I arrived where I was in regards to the lady's 1st post, which certainly singled out the rich for abusing the law, even after, at least in this case, the rich (Trump) was exonerated! That led to a discussion on just "who" the rich are, since wealth is a relative position. Her post definitely came off as them vs us. The rich vs the poor.
Hence it was necessary to point out just how incredibly rich virtually all are in America.
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I agree to an extent, the causes of poverty are complex. To state the Americans are rich when compared to other countries is an unequal comparison.

From an economic point of view I am not sure there is another country that really compares, the US being a free market economy from its inception and blessed with vast amounts of natural resources.

The poverty in the USA stems from different reasons than other developing countries.
 
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Poverty is a major problem in America. As stated above the reason why, or reasons why, is not clear. Nevertheless, young children growing up in shacktowns and trailer parks, raised by drug abusing parents and children/women/men experiencing domestic violence is not necessarily being comforted by knowing they’re stinking rich compared to their counterparts from other countries. They’re still dirt poor.
 
Susanna said:
Poverty is a major problem in America. As stated above the reason why, or reasons why, is not clear. Nevertheless, young children growing up in shacktowns and trailer parks, raised by drug abusing parents and children/women/men experiencing domestic violence is not necessarily being comforted by knowing they’re stinking rich compared to their counterparts from other countries. They’re still dirt poor.
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Again. What we consider "poverty" isn't poverty in many places in the world today, or in historical standards. American poverty can ONLY be measured as poverty in light of America's immense wealth. I am in poverty compared to Warren Buffet. I AM Warren Buffet compared to the rest of the world. It's also irrelevant in terms of how we view others or ourselves if we are in Christ.

Philippians 4:11-13 New International Version (NIV)
11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.
 
PennEd said:
Again. What we consider "poverty" isn't poverty in many places in the world today, or in historical standards. American poverty can ONLY be measured as poverty in light of America's immense wealth. I am in poverty compared to Warren Buffet. I AM Warren Buffet compared to the rest of the world. It's also irrelevant in terms of how we view others or ourselves if we are in Christ.

Philippians 4:11-13 New International Version (NIV)
11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.
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Yes, I would agree that poverty can not be defined by the wealth held at the "tippy top" :) in a country.
 
PennEd said:
Again. What we consider "poverty" isn't poverty in many places in the world today, or in historical standards. American poverty can ONLY be measured as poverty in light of America's immense wealth. I am in poverty compared to Warren Buffet. I AM Warren Buffet compared to the rest of the world. It's also irrelevant in terms of how we view others or ourselves if we are in Christ.

Philippians 4:11-13 New International Version (NIV)
11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.
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But many people don’t have anything, regardless of how we define poverty. They’ll still go hungry. In America.
 
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