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Wansvic

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Peter states he was not about to withstand God AFTER seeing God pour out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles in Acts 10. (Acts 11:17) What did Peter mean about withstanding God? What happened after the group was filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter commanded them to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48) Peter knew to refuse to water baptize the Gentiles would be to interfere with God's wishes to grant them repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)

17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18

Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And per God's design, man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)

How many withstand God’s purpose by teaching water baptism is an empty ritual? It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture after accepting Jesus' sacrifice water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all obey God's mandate.
 
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throughfaith

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Wansvic said:
Peter states he was not about to withstand God AFTER seeing God pour out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles in Acts 10. (Acts 11:17) What did Peter mean about withstanding God? What happened after the group was filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter commanded them to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48) Peter knew to refuse to water baptize the Gentiles would be to interfere with God's wishes to grant them repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)

17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18

Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And per God's design, man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)

How many withstand God’s purpose by teaching water baptism is an empty ritual? It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture after accepting Jesus' sacrifice water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all obey God's mandate.
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Why does Eph 1.13 not mention water ?
 
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throughfaith

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Wansvic said:
Peter states he was not about to withstand God AFTER seeing God pour out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles in Acts 10. (Acts 11:17) What did Peter mean about withstanding God? What happened after the group was filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter commanded them to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48) Peter knew to refuse to water baptize the Gentiles would be to interfere with God's wishes to grant them repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)

17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18

Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And per God's design, man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)

How many withstand God’s purpose by teaching water baptism is an empty ritual? It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture after accepting Jesus' sacrifice water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all obey God's mandate.
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They already recieved the Holy Spirit prior to being water baptized .
 
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Wansvic said:
Peter states he was not about to withstand God AFTER seeing God pour out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles in Acts 10. (Acts 11:17) What did Peter mean about withstanding God? What happened after the group was filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter commanded them to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48) Peter knew to refuse to water baptize the Gentiles would be to interfere with God's wishes to grant them repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)

17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18

Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And per God's design, man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)

How many withstand God’s purpose by teaching water baptism is an empty ritual? It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture after accepting Jesus' sacrifice water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all obey God's mandate.
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Your essentially saying that forgiveness is not granted when a person receives the Holy Spirit. Are you saying a unforgiven person / a person who still is not justified, unredeemed , receives the Holy Spirit? And are you saying a person can recieve the Holy Spirit but is not yet forgiven until he is dunked ?
 
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Eph 1.13
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Do you see what this doesn't say ?
 
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Wansvic said:
Peter states he was not about to withstand God AFTER seeing God pour out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles in Acts 10. (Acts 11:17) What did Peter mean about withstanding God? What happened after the group was filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter commanded them to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48) Peter knew to refuse to water baptize the Gentiles would be to interfere with God's wishes to grant them repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)

17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18

Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And per God's design, man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)

How many withstand God’s purpose by teaching water baptism is an empty ritual? It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture after accepting Jesus' sacrifice water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all obey God's mandate.
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Obedience is the fundamental requirement of Christians to all of God's requirements. I do not mean the Law. Christians are led by the Spirit of God. Focusing on one just one aspect of obedience is unhelpful. "Trust and Obey" as the old hymn says.

In order to obey, a believer has to know what God's will is. Some are raised with the concept of infant baptism. I believe God is far more interested in heart attitude that outward conformity only. There are a lot of people who go into the waters dry sinners and come up as wet sinners. Some of the finest Christians I've met accept infant baptism. Some of the hardest hearts were baptised in water and the Holy Spirit. Or so they said.
 
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throughfaith said:
Why does Eph 1.13 not mention water ?
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Because that is a totally different context. There are two baptism for believers: (1 baptism with the Holy Spirit (also included in Eph 1) and (2) water baptism by immersion (which does not regenerate, but provides evidence of regeneration, which is internal and spiritual). While baptism does not save anyone, those who are saved are COMMANDED to be baptized, as the first step in sanctification. And it is repentance which is necessary for the remission of sins.
 
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Because that is a totally different context. There are two baptism for believers: (1 baptism with the Holy Spirit (also included in Eph 1) and (2) water baptism by immersion (which does not regenerate, but provides evidence of regeneration, which is internal and spiritual). While baptism does not save anyone, those who are saved are COMMANDED to be baptized, as the first step in sanctification. And it is repentance which is necessary for the remission of sins.
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Eph 1.13 Says the order in which we recieved the Holy spirit.
 
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[for me anyway] a few examples:
Rom 11:34-35 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
1Co 10:22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Heb 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Because that is a totally different context. There are two baptism for believers: (1 baptism with the Holy Spirit (also included in Eph 1) and (2) water baptism by immersion (which does not regenerate, but provides evidence of regeneration, which is internal and spiritual). While baptism does not save anyone, those who are saved are COMMANDED to be baptized, as the first step in sanctification. And it is repentance which is necessary for the remission of sins.
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That's quite a complex thing there .
 
Wansvic

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throughfaith said:
They already recieved the Holy Spirit prior to being water baptized .
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Yes. And they were still required to be water baptized in Jesus' name. That's the point.
 
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throughfaith said:
Your essentially saying that forgiveness is not granted when a person receives the Holy Spirit. Are you saying a unforgiven person / a person who still is not justified, unredeemed , receives the Holy Spirit? And are you saying a person can recieve the Holy Spirit but is not yet forgiven until he is dunked ?
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The Bible says that.
 
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throughfaith said:
Eph 1.13
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Do you see what this doesn't say ?
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I explained this to you many times before. Accept or reject the explanation. That's up to you.
 
Wansvic

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Gideon300 said:
Obedience is the fundamental requirement of Christians to all of God's requirements. I do not mean the Law. Christians are led by the Spirit of God. Focusing on one just one aspect of obedience is unhelpful. "Trust and Obey" as the old hymn says.

In order to obey, a believer has to know what God's will is. Some are raised with the concept of infant baptism. I believe God is far more interested in heart attitude that outward conformity only. There are a lot of people who go into the waters dry sinners and come up as wet sinners. Some of the finest Christians I've met accept infant baptism. Some of the hardest hearts were baptised in water and the Holy Spirit. Or so they said.
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This OP is addressing the concept of water baptism. Jesus said that all will be judged by what the word actually says. (John 12:48-50) So it is of great importance to understand what the Bible says about that water baptism.
 
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Personally I think this is all covered by Romans 14.
 
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Wansvic said:
I explained this to you many times before. Accept or reject the explanation. That's up to you.
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No it proves that Acts 2.38 all the way up to Acts 8 is to ISRAEL . The transition changes after the stoning of Stephen.
 
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