Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)

[tucksma]

According to the original post, this thread is about "secular positions".

Yes it is, but I never commented on men having authority, or not, in secular positions. I stated that they do in the church, and in a family setting. She is acting as if I said women shouldn't be the boss in the workplace. I never said that.

 

[Praus]

Yes it is, but I never commented on men having authority, or not, in secular positions. I stated that they do in the church, and in a family setting. She is acting as if I said women shouldn't be the boss in the workplace. I never said that.

Well that's the topic of this thread, I hope you will take a position at some point.

 

[Rachel20]

Bearing fruit is bringing people to Christ. I also didn't ignore your judgement scriptures. I commented specifically on them. You are twisting my words by imputing things I never said (like anything about equal pay, or secular positions).
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Well my dear friend, maybe you should go back and read the Bible.

Galations 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Also if you want to talk about God's word then stop with the memes, the sly insults, and just talk like a normal human being. You have an attitude about you that is not needed.

A normal human being or a slave?

Slavery isn't unbiblical if done correctly

 

[tucksma]

Well my dear friend, maybe you should go back and read the Bible.

Galations 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.



A normal human being or a slave?

Slavery was done in the OT and it was never condemned. In fact in the law it was clearly supported.

I am NOT calling you a slave nor have I ever.


If bearing fruit isn't people then what are the 30, 60, or 100 in the 4th seed?

 

[Rachel20]

Slavery was done in the OT and it was never condemned. In fact in the law it was clearly supported.

I am NOT calling you a slave nor have I ever.


If bearing fruit isn't people then what are the 30, 60, or 100 in the 4th seed?

Oh so now you want me to teach you?


Anyway. Please don't derail the thread by your personal musings and opinions. You can create a new thread for that.

 

[tucksma]

I'm wanting you to explain it in a way that supports your theology, and I still do because you avoided it.

This thread is about your interpretation of scripture on an issue. Interpretations are opinion's on what the word of God means. Ergo everything we say here is an opinion unless you are quoting scripture.

 

[homwardbound]

"all things through christ" doesn't literally mean ALL things. If it did then I can sin through Christ who strengtheneth me. The all there just means anything that is for God, and God has an order of men and women.

Sorry the all things through Christ excludes sin, does not allow sin for their is no sin in Christ at all
Walk by the spirit of God and there is no sin
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would

 

[homwardbound]

But it shouldn't read husband and wife.....

It COULD, but there's not way of telling if it should or shouldn't.

In these scenarios where there is no way to tell, I tend to go with the hebrew scholars who translated it.

Is your wife, or woman your equal or your underling?
For God made woman from man as a help meet, and it was from his side, equal to
Shame on man for acting as if he is somebody when is a part of creation and not the creator

 

[homwardbound]

notice how she said meak not weak....

And how many men take advantage of that? This should not be so wen she was created as a help meet not weak, regardless if she ate first or not Adam did as well eat too.

 

[homwardbound]

This isn't relevant to my post at all. I can love my future wife and have authority over her THE SAME WAY CHRIST HAS AUTHORITY OVER US AND LOVES US.

Yes you could, now ask you do you? Only you can answer that I can't and am not saying you are or you aren't
Just please sift all through God who by Christ has come to live in you and teach you truth from error and set you free.
So if you or I am in bondage then there is error somewhere in our truth and we are not free as truth is to set us free. therefore I would need to re-think my truth and seek to be set free from anger and being a control freak as is what flesh is and does, in need to be born again of the Spirit of God and walk as Christ walked in 100% dependence on Father to lead
No flesh is pleasing to God pleasing to others yet not God, we are to walk in the where there is no male, no female, no Jew, no Greek, we are one in the Spirit of God
no other way for god to be worshipped today:
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[homwardbound]

Your posts literally have nothing to do with the question at hand.

Yes in reality it does for the battle today is flesh against the Spirit of God and you are of the flesh reading the word in the flesh and not the Spirit putting women as an underling.
You claim you are not and are happy with Sophia in submission to man's every whim
not good and taken out of context to use it for man's puberty feelings and be reprobate.
If you are born again you are dead to the flesh demands of flesh and alive to the Spirit of God lead by God unto true love not all the rest of those puberty feelings that act so nice to get _____________________________ well you know
Done unfortunately to many woman, not all who are submissive, yet how far does this submissiveness go Sisters?

 

[homwardbound]

Your posts are fruitless. You say I am trusting man by going with what the bible says, you go by your own understanding by saying they were wrong. Either way we are both trusting men. I trust others who have training in translation while you trust yourself who probably has little to no Hebrew translations skills as most do not. You are talking about Christs death a lot, but that has little to do with the concept of women and their role. Christ died for everyone, but that doesn't mean our "jobs" are not different in the body of Christ. You are very scatter brained. I have not once said that men have no abused this authority. I know they have, what I am saying is that men do have authority, and they do. Men have overdone it, but they do still have an authority. Adam had authority over Eve. Husband over wife. Brothers in Christ over the church. Jesus over the Church. It is quite clear in scripture. Men have forgotten to love their wives like Christ loves them, but that doesn't negate the fact that men do have authority. Stay on the topic at hand, and stop going into things that are rather irrelevant to this topic.

He came first and foremost because we needed new life in the Spirit and not the flesh. The flesh has and still does make a mockery of Christ/
Regardless flesh is flesh and needs to die. so that we might see life in the Spirit and walk as Christ walked in dependence on Father
Can you not see this?

 

[homwardbound]

Yeahhhhh...God doesn't have the attitude of "it is what it is". Also God can love everyone and give them different roles or jobs in the Body. You say we are walking in flesh when we disagree with you? Maybe you need to check yourself to make sure your view is in accordance to the word. Clearly, as Paul points out, it is not.

no problem, I can not make anyone to see, I am judged of no man, not even me I do not judge me, God is my Judge only. Love you deeper than you see

 

[homwardbound]

Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”



Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Yes stand in God's truth not man's interpretation of truth

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[Oak]

Slavery was done in the OT and it was never condemned. In fact in the law it was clearly supported.

I am NOT calling you a slave nor have I ever.


If bearing fruit isn't people then what are the 30, 60, or 100 in the 4th seed?

Slavery is also talked about in the NT. Are you trying to say God was wrong in the OT? That he changed his position on the subject?

 

[homwardbound]

Ummm...want to prove that please?

Some of you people are just greatly confused. A Godly woman is an asset to her husband, and a Godly man realizes that. The bible is pro women, not anti-women. It's pretty disgusting to hear some accuse God of being against women. Nothing could be further from the truth. N.O.W. and hardline feminists have hurt womens cause. You need to stop acting like it was a man that is christian that tried to hold women back. Wanting women AND MEN to obey God and fulfill the roles assigned by God is what every christian wants.

If a man tried to hold you back by quoting scripture, he isn't a christian, so why blame the bible for something it doesn't do?
tucksma is trying to get that point across, so why are beating heck out of him for endorsing biblical conduct?

The blame is on the flesh that man is originally born with this does include women too.

so go to God and seek born again as in John 3
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[homwardbound]

Not saying Christians should have suppported slavery, or the beating of wives. In fact they shouldn't have had slaves or beat wives (obviously), but to change the law would require large amounts of time which in the end bears no spiritual fruit.

If changing these laws was what we were supposed to do then why didn't Christ do that? Everything he did was for spiritual health of others. So shouldn't we do the same?

Yes, yes and yes again, so how do we do that except by walking in the Spirit of God, id there any other way.
Is not his kindness meant to teach us to say no to abuse?

 

[homwardbound]

Who decided that Christians shouldn't have slaves?

Titus 2:9 Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

Yes sir, and masters are to treat their slaves in Love hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are to be free and not controlling to others with whips and chains are we?

 

[homwardbound]

Let me rephrase, Christians shouldn't have treated slaves as people typically did. A servent is not unbiblical, but beating said slave is. That is why I'm saying they shouldn't have supported slaves, because of how they were treated. If slaves were treated with respect, it'd be different. Also if slavery wasn't based on race, didn't make the slave not a person, but rather treated the slave pretty much as a worker now a days except payment was food, shelter, water, clothing not money, then it would have been fine. There were countless issues with American slavery which is why a Christian shouldn't have had any. I don't know how they were in other nations.

To treat another as an equal, then there is no slavery involved for the other willingly does for the other out of love, and each other is taken care of through true Love God's type best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13

 

[homwardbound]

Slavery isn't unbiblical if done correctly, but it wasn't at all in almost every nations. I can do into detail if someone says that slavery was not biblical, but it'd be hard to do because slaves were used throughout the bible.

Everyone does have their Job, the question is whether one is willingly doing it or not?
Take away no one's free will, for this is what God is mad about is others destroying others in taking away their free will
Read all about it in Noah's time where God repented making mankind, seeing all they do is be selfish, not caring for others when they try to survive, stepping on others as to what they want not caring even if they killed others. They just took whatever they wanted, without any care for the other, unless the other agreed with them.
But God found Noah as righteous, for Noah found righteous by God. why? Because Noah believed God and did not seek to harm anyone to have gain of self and those he loved , he loved all.