Women Pastors for women?

[Bsorh]

The contempt is from you! You broad stroke every woman as your inferior and assume we're all Jezebels. Miri understands her role much better than you understand yours. (You should have found out who Miri is, instead of who she isn't.)

And from where I'm seated, that can't even be hard, since you assume your role is to school us poor women.

And to think we have no authority to worship God? I think I can name your spirit now. Satan!

Oh and BTW YOU assume I was saying all women were Jezebels. If the shoe fits, wear it! Or better yet repent.

 

[whatev]

Where is your statistical support for the bolded statement? Why are you pointing to the sinfulness of some to denigrate the whole? Are there not many rebellious, unsubmitted, and sinful men in leadership positions in the church? Are they not adequate reason not to allow men in positions of authority? Your reasoning is unbalanced.



This has absolutely nothing to do with a power struggle, primarily because men don't have the power either; Christ does.



Godly women (in fact, all women) have nothing to fear from godly men who are submitted fully to Christ. When you find some men like that, let all the women know so they may follow them.

You are making your argument on the basis of alleged personal revelation. That has no bearing on a discussion of scriptural principles. Plus, I believe you're off-base by a wide margin, and you're generalizing positively from examples when it suits your position, and negatively when it doesn't. That's inconsistent.



Where is your statistical support for the bolded statement?

Sound arguments about the role of women in the Church are not made from subjective generalities about women in the wider society.

Here here! Banging my dirty pots at the kitchen sink I'm tied to in agreement with you.

 

[Bsorh]

Here here! Banging my dirty pots at the kitchen sink I'm tied to in agreement with you.

Lol, I cooked for my exes 90% of the time. Their moms didn't teach them because it was sexist for a woman to know how to cook! Oh and I washed a lot of dishes and rubbed their back and feet. Plus I bought a dishwasher. Not every alpha is a douchebag!

 

[whatev]

The truth about divorce.com is a great point of reference for modern divorce statistics. Another one is pews research. Several years ago 75% of divorces in the United States were found by women even though God himself told women that they were bound to their husbands as long as they should live. In any case America where I live has become a study in empowering women while simultaneously we are seeing the destruction of morality in our society. Yes there are rebellious men in the church but until there are no Godly men left in the church to lead then we do not need women in positions of authority. I have talked to many women who would rather listen to Joyce Meyer then they would a male preacher even if he is a Godly Man. There has been much effort in our society to dishonor the god-given position of male Authority both in our society and in the church. One such piece of literature acknowledging this is men on strike by Helen Smith. I'm sorry that my statements don't fit into your world view and I'm also sorry that my experiences and testimony don't verify how you think things should be. But I believe the church has reached the end of its rope with empowering women and we need to return to an unashamedly patriarchal management. Jesus could have taught us any way at all to live and he never mentioned empowering women to leave the church nor did he exemplify this or encourage this. This is a fact. It might be inconvenient to the power struggle and the church that stems from women's lib spawned by Gloria Steinem but it is nonetheless the truth. Try reading 1st Peter chapter 3 verse 1 through 7.

Big deal. You know the stats for society, and trying to convince yourself, (because no one else is buying this), on women who are not part of society. Not even men. Just women.

Dino didn't give world view, nor ask for world view. He asked you for biblical view. The thing you seem to want to ignore.

 

[Bsorh]

Big deal. You know the stats for society, and trying to convince yourself, (because no one else is buying this), on women who are not part of society. Not even men. Just women.

Dino didn't give world view, nor ask for world view. He asked you for biblical view. The thing you seem to want to ignore.

Like your name on here, whatev-uh!

 

[calibob]

DO YOU SUDDENLY EXPECT MANKIND TO LIVE IN THE 1st CENTURY AGAIN?

 

[proverbs35]

God bless greatly those sisters who are of a gentle and quiet spirit which is of great worth in God's sight.

I absolutely agree. I pray that God will bless the sisters who have a gentle and quiet spirit. However, gentleness is a unisex fruit of the spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bi...h=Galatians+5:22-23&version=NIV&interface=amp
BOTH men and women are instructed to be gentle toward others:
Ep 4:2
http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-2.htm
Tit 3:2
http://biblehub.com/titus/3-2.htm

Being quiet isn’t just something that sisters should do. The Bible teaches that BOTH men and women should lead quiet lives and be slow to speak.
Pr 11:12B
http://biblehub.com/proverbs/11-12.htm
1 Thes 4:9-11
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bi...hessalonians+4:9-12&version=NIV&interface=amp
1 Tim 2: 1-4
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bi...rch=1+Timothy+2:1-4&version=NIV&interface=amp
James 1:19
http://biblehub.com/james/1-19.htm

BOTH men and women should cultivate a gentle and quiet spirit, and that’s confirmed in several verses. Gentleness and quietness aren’t strictly for women and wives.

With that being said, I pray the God will bless brothers who understand that men also have a responsibility to be gentle and quiet.

 

[Bsorh]

DO YOU SUDDENLY EXPECT MANKIND TO LIVE IN THE 1st CENTURY AGAIN?

As it is written, 'Do not conform yourselves in any way to the likeness of this world...'

 

[whatev]

Significant Beyond there already God mandated duties. I believe the men often did not come forth with messages in tongues because we have been downtrodden so long and the western church and taught to believe that if the pastor is not saying it then it must not be from God. Our society and the western church has for the past 30 years encouraged men to be silent and women to speak up.

Women are Jezebels and Delilahs. Men are downtrodden.

How about a little reality. People sin. Because we sin, the Lord has to save us. And he does save some of us. And in that saving he changes us. Without that saving, we're sinners doing what sinners do -- sin.

Not Jezebels. Not Delilahs. Not down trodden. Sin! Don't blame this on women. I'm certainly not blaming it on men. That is the natural human condition. And only God can change us.

If you're not speaking in tongues there are only 3 reasons why you aren't:
1. God hasn't given you that gift.
2. He doesn't insist you use it, (which are the times we shouldn't.)
3. You're sinning.

Is it that so hard to comprehend, that you need an excuse to even blame muteness on women or society?

 

[Bsorh]

I absolutely agree. I pray that God will bless the sisters who have a gentle and quiet spirit. However, gentleness is a unisex fruit of the spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5:22-23&version=NIV&interface=amp
BOTH men and women are instructed to be gentle toward others:
Ep 4:2
http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-2.htm
Tit 3:2
http://biblehub.com/titus/3-2.htm

Being quiet isn’t just something that sisters should do. The Bible teaches that BOTH men and women should lead quiet lives and be slow to speak.
Pr 11:12B
http://biblehub.com/proverbs/11-12.htm
1 Thes 4:9-11
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+4:9-12&version=NIV&interface=amp
1 Tim 2: 1-4
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2:1-4&version=NIV&interface=amp
James 1:19
http://biblehub.com/james/1-19.htm

BOTH men and women should cultivate a gentle and quiet spirit, and that’s confirmed in several verses. Gentleness and quietness aren’t strictly for women and wives.

With that being said, I pray the God will bless brothers who understand that men also have a responsibility to be gentle and quiet.

I'm glad Jesus, David, Elijah, etc were not always gentle or quiet!

 

[Bsorh]

Women are Jezebels and Delilahs. Men are downtrodden.

How about a little reality. People sin. Because we sin, the Lord has to save us. And he does save some of us. And in that saving he changes us. Without that saving, we're sinners doing what sinners do -- sin.

Not Jezebels. Not Delilahs. Not down trodden. Sin! Don't blame this on women. I'm certainly not blaming it on men. That is the natural human condition. And only God can change us.

If you're not speaking in tongues there are only 3 reasons why you aren't:
1. God hasn't given you that gift.
2. He doesn't insist you use it, (which are the times we shouldn't.)
3. You're sinning.

Is it that so hard to comprehend, that you need an excuse to even blame muteness on women or society?

I pray in tongues often, thanks. Next attack?

 

[whatev]

Actually I own sheep. They are naturally curious, social, naieve, innocent, like affection, and need guidance and leadership. They must be led to food and water and they do the rest. They also require hoof trimming and individual inspection for health. I know them each by name, and yes, I will leave the 11 behind to rescue the one in peril. I have 12, not 100 head.

Then do me a favor and think of women like you think of sheep, (minus feet trimming. ) To this point you seem to think women are more like wolves. Naive is optional, but I do tend towards it, so I don't have a problem with that one.

 

[Bsorh]

Then do me a favor and think of women like you think of sheep, (minus feet trimming. ) To this point you seem to think women are more like wolves. Naive is optional, but I do tend towards it, so I don't have a problem with that one.

Ungodly women are wolves in my book. Even women say so!

 

[whatev]

The original post asked about if women should be pastors, not if Israel ever had evil men in leadership. That's a no brainer to anyone who actually reads the Bible. But it's typical in my experience for every Jezebel to raise her voice and head when the topic arises to either defend women or discredit men in general. At least we agree Jezebel was no good. The task of the church is to show the love of Christ and to show the world obeying God is spiritually profitable and brings peace, not to show 'we can too you bad men!!' to a world that already has gone to the end of the noose with role reversal.

You are in desperate need of better experience. Do you know why I don't have as much experience with those Jezebel women and evil men in church? Because I/we'd duck out of those kinds of churches and looked for ones lead by biblical understanding, not societal understanding.

 

[calibob]

I pray in tongues often, thanks. Next attack?

have you ever worked in a store and had a customer come in who didn't speak a word of english but you understood him/her and found them what they wanted? did you tell them goodbye in a language you don't know? huh? that's tounges in action!

 

[joefizz]

Alrighty then I suppose I should grab a man passing by, marry him quick and
start popping out babies (although I suspect thats too late for me).

I’m just glad I can trust in God’s plan and purpose for my life and don’t have to
rely on your opinion. Otherwise all women would be bare foot and tied to
the kitchen sink with 20 kids pulling at their apron strings.

Seriously, you honestly think God created women just to be baby making machines!
Your not Amish are you?

And how many women in the bible were barren? hmm looks like mr baby boom has a problem now!

 

[whatev]

Actually, submission from a wife is instructed to her by God as her job. I don't have to earn it, anymore than I have to earn authority in the church or at home. It comes with the job. I don't glory in it nor do I put women 'down'. I was actually a doting and attentive husband. The marital roles are not to be debated, but discharged. That's why so many marriages fail! You decide at the altar if you are going to submit to your groom, and hopefully before that or if he is smart he won't marry a woman who won't listen to him! How is God going to charge a husband with the wife's purification in Ephesians chapter 5 if he doesn't expect her to actually listen to him?

Not true. First you have to earn wife. Godly women aren't going to marry a man until they trust him. And with trust, there is a willingness to submit. Don't earn the trust, you don't earn the wife, nor can you call her "wife." If I didn't decide I trusted him enough to submit, there would have never been an altar.

It's a two-way street. Submission comes with trust and love. And in that trust and love, there is also listening on both sides.

Just so you know, we've been married for 38 years and I have always trusted, loved, and submitted to him. And I do that because he's got the harder job. He's got to love me. PMS is not for wimps.

 

[whatev]

I'm glad Jesus, David, Elijah, etc were not always gentle or quiet!

How you doing with my lack of gentleness?

 

[whatev]

I pray in tongues often, thanks. Next attack?

Read better. That wasn't an attack.

 

[Bsorh]

have you ever worked in a store and had a customer come in who didn't speak a word of english but you understood him/her and found them what they wanted? did you tell them goodbye in a language you don't know? huh? that's tounges in action!

The gift of tongues glorifies God because it is used to amaze people of other languages with the supernatural endowment of the Holy Spirit in praising or instructing in God. It's not used to tell Arabs where the hummus is in the refrigerated aisle.