Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

[nowyouseem033]

So, who is your teacher... satan???

Why would anyone make fun of a Christian saying the Lord is their teacher?

Thank you for this comment... it explains a lot about you.





Actually, since you no longer accept and recognize God's promises concerning healing... this simply mean satan choked the Word of God out of your life where healing is concerned by presenting opposing view points that contradict what God says. Jesus explains this in Mark 4:13-20

Good luck with that...

Actually i say with complete confidence that i reject the Word of Faith movement utterly. If im labelled as a follower of Satan then so be it. My confidence and surety is founded upon the Word of God. I love though how you conclude that it must be Satan that has done that to me. hahaha its humorous but also sad that you would assume i must be following Satan. BTW people who usually say well "the Lord is my teacher" are saying that because they want to avoid being held accountable to anyone and/or want to express how pious they are. In doing so they are exhibiting false humility and pride.

 

[wanderer6059]

You know wanderer that is the number one excuse by wof followeres like youself that the wof teachers and preachers are "always taken out of context." Now, I have never been wof but I have been to many of their meetings/conventions in Southeren California at the Anaheim convention center. I also have many friends that were wof and finally they came to their senses by the grace of God.

You ask one of the posters here for proof of some of their actions and teachings. Per your request look at the following:
Largest Audio/Video library of Pentecostal Manifestation Heresy in the world! Even though these are of kenneth copeland hagin and others are there in some of the videos and copelands mentor was kenneth hagin, he learned from him.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

brother, Hagin wrote many books, and taught many series, find me something out of context, or where he said "name it clam it". you can't i don't care about you taking GH meetings that way im asking for what he taught.

 

[nowyouseem033]

I have epilepsy. There is no medical cure for mine. I have prayed for God to cure it. Hundreds of people have prayed for God to cure it. I have been anointed and prayed for by the elders of my church. Still I carry my thorn. When I am weakest, God always returns me to these verses.

2 Corinthians 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

In my weakness, God provides a medication that allows me to live seizure free for a period of time. Then the seizures return, and God reminds me that when I am weakest, with Him, I am strongest. A new medication is found, and the seizures are gone. You see, God doesn't want to heal me. He just wants me to be faithful.

Well i can say with great joy and confidence that you sir have a very high view of God and your priority are dead on point. God has secured us for him and for the next life to come. This world and the things of this world fade and disappear but Gods love towards us in the midst of a fallen world and broken world remains firm and fast. Praise to his glorious grace for salvation and the hope that is to come!!!

 

[Whassup]

I love though how you conclude that it must be Satan that has done that to me

Well, it certainly wasn't the Lord that led you to quit believing God's promises concerning healing being for us today... only the devil would teachin that to someone.

people who usually say well "the Lord is my teacher" are saying that because they want to avoid being held accountable to anyone and/or want to express how pious they are

I'm accountable to the Shepard of my soul... Jesus Christ.

I will answer to Him for every thought, word, deed as will all of us.

 

[wanderer6059]

Ugh. Then they're talking about a different kind of WoF. The heretic type. Or rather, call it 'name it claim it' that's easier to classify.

But if these guys know WoF so well, how is it then that some of what they call WoF believers also believe in God's sovereignty. I mean, that is obviously contrary to 'name it claim it.' Either these people who follow that kind of WoF are blinded (or slow in understanding), or the term WoF is completely misunderstood, or rashly labeled on someone without even knowing what they're talking about.

I wonder about this because some preachers I listen to are labelled WoF, yet, I never heard them do the name it claim it stuff. They do teach that if they want something (not talking about healing, as healing is an entirely different subject), for example, like material stuff, there's this "if the want/desire is from God, He will provide" - and this does not mean, going out soliciting for a new car because 'God will provide.'

How about this, if people really want to know WoF (name it claim it) to be able to rebuke them and lead people to the truth (which is the right thing to do), how about people do a little research.

TLDR: WoF is a largely confusing term applied (and misapplied) to different teachings, making them appear as one.

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Lord Almighty! some one give this women a medal!!! been saying this the same the lats two threads, but this is.

 

[wanderer6059]

continued.....

The promulgation of this teaching is one of the most contentious doctrines to its critics, who consider it heresy. Mormonscholar Stephen E. Robinson, whose religion, citing the Bible and primitive church fathers, teaches that man can becomegods after eons of exaltation, has declared the "little gods" teaching heretical.[SUP][35][/SUP][SUP][36][/SUP] Conversely, mainstream Christianity regards this Mormon teaching as heretical as well, and entirely disputes any purported biblical basis for the Mormon view. Many Evangelical critics have asserted that the "little gods" teaching is, in fact, cultic; Hank Hanegraaff, for example, contends the 'little gods' doctrine is on a par with the teaching of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Jim Jones.[SUP][37][/SUP] Justin Peters, whose first encounter with Word of Faith doctrine came at the age of 16 when a faith healer "slayed [him] in the spirit" in an attempt to cure his cerebral palsy, states in A Call for Discernment that the reason the Word of Faith movement holds so tenaciously to "health and wealth" tenets is because of the "little gods" teaching: "A god should never be sick, and a god should never be poor."[SUP][38][/SUP] In response, Word of Faith defenders have claimed the teaching is simply underscoring the biblical view of the believer's "true identity in Christ".

Critics, such as Christian apologist and CARM founder Matt Slick and Bible critique author W. Gary Phillips, believe referencing scriptures Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34, where it is said that men are gods, is using these Scriptures out of context.[SUP][39][/SUP] The biblical application of these verses is addressed to the Judges of Israel where they were called gods, not because they were divine, but because they represented the true and only God when they judged the people. The Hebrew and Greek words used in both Scriptures for "gods" can also be applied to magistrates and used to describe someone as "mighty".[SUP][40]

[/SUP]When a Mormon says it's heresy, that's saying something!!

its so funny to see someone copy and past soo much that is wrong, the very first paragraph was way off. Hagin came to the WoF when he was 17 with just him and his bible, latter on he was influences by the writings of Kenyon. and Copeland got his start with Oral Roberts. and half the "teachings" you quote are out of context. Hagin taught in HIM you have athority and outside of HIM(GOD'S WILL) you have nothing. SMH do some real research of your own, because what you are saying is ignorant of truth.

 

[wanderer6059]

Billye Brim, Keith Moore are the first 2 that come to mind. They worked directly with and for KHagin.. Yet no one mentions them..

bosses!! and Chip is definitely a chip off the block lol

 

[Whassup]

...Christian apologist and CARM founder Matt Slick ....

Yeah, I was over at their talkboard a while back and they have people on there that believe Luke and James were not actually apostles and their writings should be ignored as being false.

So much for Matt Slick and CARM being interested in truth

 

[wanderer6059]

I have epilepsy. There is no medical cure for mine. I have prayed for God to cure it. Hundreds of people have prayed for God to cure it. I have been anointed and prayed for by the elders of my church. Still I carry my thorn. When I am weakest, God always returns me to these verses.

2 Corinthians 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

In my weakness, God provides a medication that allows me to live seizure free for a period of time. Then the seizures return, and God reminds me that when I am weakest, with Him, I am strongest. A new medication is found, and the seizures are gone. You see, God doesn't want to heal me. He just wants me to be faithful.

right there is a fault in your belief.

you BELIEVE it is a thorn to you, you give it place, you give it life with that belief. and for some reason people love assuming Pauls thorn was sickness you can't though. and pas that people love quoting this verse in there sickness but i have one question. What is the devil holding you back from! what mass conversion were you facilitating that the devil had to attack you with a thorn! the devil came against Paul for the reason that the moment he got his revelation his calling in God was that much stronger! that is a LIE of the devil, god loves you brother and He only wants to give you bread not a stone. modern medication is Gods healing, every time a new med is developed that is a victories step to the cure brother! rejoice! and know you will be healed COMPLETELY one day!

 

[wanderer6059]

Well i can say with great joy and confidence that you sir have a very high view of God and your priority are dead on point. God has secured us for him and for the next life to come. This world and the things of this world fade and disappear but Gods love towards us in the midst of a fallen world and broken world remains firm and fast. Praise to his glorious grace for salvation and the hope that is to come!!!

you still haven't proven your beliefs of the cessation of the gifts yet, stop filling peoples head with doubt...

 

[Whassup]

modern medication is Gods healing

Actually, pharmakea is witchcraft and is not of God.

God does not advocate the arm of the flesh versus His own power to heal.

The only thing good that can be said about medical science is... the Word never says it's the unpardonable sin.

 

[HisHolly]

I agree! My middle and last quote in the signature space are from Keith Moore. Nothing but dynamite.

bosses!! and Chip is definitely a chip off the block lol

 

[wanderer6059]

Actually, pharmakea is witchcraft and is not of God.

God does not advocate the arm of the flesh versus His own power to heal.

The only thing good that can be said about medical science is... the Word never says it's the unpardonable sin.

brother, with respect God can take anything and make it Holy. if He can bless food, he can bless pills to. and any healing, and all healing is of God, with out Him we couldn't even put a band-add on and see a cut healed. I was an EMT for some time, God heals through medicine, seeing an epi pen reduce the swelling of a throat of a child, Gods will. See albuterol stop a deadly asthma attack, Gods will. insulin giving diabetics a better life, Gods will. yes people can be freed completely, but till then, we cannot neglect an aspect of healing in the natural.

Last the wisdom of pumping a heart to keep the tissue from dying and the use of epinephrine to keep blood circulating in the vital organs then shocking a heart to restart it, bring someone back from the dead, Gods will for healing...

 

[wanderer6059]

I agree! My middle and last quote in the signature space are from Keith Moore. Nothing but dynamite.

yeah i'm starting the love commandment series he has! and at the men's conference this year at Rhema Chip Brim had an amazing message!

 

[Whassup]

brother, with respect God can take anything and make it Holy. if He can bless food, he can bless pills to. and any healing, and all healing is of God, with out Him we couldn't even put a band-add on and see a cut healed. I was an EMT for some time, God heals through medicine, seeing an epi pen reduce the swelling of a throat of a child, Gods will. See albuterol stop a deadly asthma attack, Gods will. insulin giving diabetics a better life, Gods will. yes people can be freed completely, but till then, we cannot neglect an aspect of healing in the natural.

Last the wisdom of pumping a heart to keep the tissue from dying and the use of epinephrine to keep blood circulating in the vital organs then shocking a heart to restart it, bring someone back from the dead, Gods will for healing...

OK, you have limited yourself to the arm of the flesh for your heath by putting the wisdom of man and man's ability before the Lord.

Please show me a CALL TO ACTION in God's Word that tells His people to go make an appointment with the doctor when they are sick... I'll hold while you search...

 

[Grace777x70]

Here Jesus is saying that it is the sick that need a physician. He was making a general comment on how when people are sick - they need help. He is the ultimate Physician.

Matthew 9:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.



There is a scripture that says the woman with the issue of blood had spent all her money on trying to get better by doctors which apparently they couldn't help her at all in this case. Jesus did not reprimand her for going to doctors. - She heard of Him and touched His hem and was healed by her faith in Him.

Mark 5:25-26 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] A woman who had had a hemorrhage for twelve years,

[SUP]26 [/SUP] and had endured much at the hands of many physicians, and had spent all that she had and was not helped at all, but rather had grown worse—


Here Luke is still called the "beloved physician". He was still a doctor even after writing the book of Luke and Acts.

Colossians 4:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Luke, the beloved physician, sends you his greetings, and also Demas.

Saying that people shouldn't go to the doctor when they are sick is one of the extremes and people do have a legitimate beef about this kind of "spiritual advice" as it is completely unscriptural in my opinion. This kind of thinking is what gives legitimate truths a bad taste in people's mouths and rightly so.

 

[wanderer6059]

OK, you have limited yourself to the arm of the flesh for your heath by putting the wisdom of man and man's ability before the Lord.

Please show me a CALL TO ACTION in God's Word that tells His people to go make an appointment with the doctor when they are sick... I'll hold while you search...

did i say just modern medicine, no. but to reject it is foolishness, and the reason the WoF is looked at the way it is. and how about this.

JESUS....

Mark 2:17 “And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

not to mention paul traviling with one....

[h=3]Luke, the beloved physician, sends you his greetings, and also Demas.[/h]
don't limit God to just one stream of healing thats just as bad as those who cut off the supernatural. God uses both the natural, and supernatural to heal.

 

[Whassup]

WHERE does God's Word tell Christians... "go maketh thyself an appointment with thy doctor...."

It's not in there... and the "medicine" spoken of in God's Word is... God's Word:

Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.

You don't reckon God lied, do ya?

did i say just modern medicine, no. but to reject it is foolishness

Trusting God for my health is foolishness????

That's what satan used to try and get me to believe in his efforts to get me to reject God's promises concerning healing.

 

[LanceA]

I believe there is a place for medicine. If I'm in a horrible accident I would hope and pray someone would call 911 and paramedics show up. But on the other hand I pray I am blessed by God to where He is protecting me from any harm. When I was rebelling against God I was in a horrible accident that killed one friend and put the other one out of the Army. Myself and the driver had minor injuries in it.

Yes I did get cancer but I can tell you that I wasn't walking with the Lord and letting the world take over my life style. I believe God allowed the cancer to wake me up. I don't believe He caused it but He removed my protection due to sin. I am walking with the Lord instead of against Him and in full remission of my Cancer.

 

[wanderer6059]

WHERE does God's Word tell Christians... "go maketh thyself an appointment with thy doctor...."

It's not in there... and the "medicine" spoken of in God's Word is... God's Word:

Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.

You don't reckon God lied, do ya?




Trusting God for my health is foolishness????

That's what satan used to try and get me to believe in his efforts to get me to reject God's promises concerning healing.

WHERE DOES IT TELL THEM NOT TO!!!

BTW Jesus did in that last passage.... you didn't respond to that...

so you have a simple view of healing too i guess

if you break your leg, you need a doctor....
if you punture a lung you need a doctor...
if you have a serious infection.... you need a doctor, brother you may have the faith to walk out healing. but not all do.

He didn't lie, but healing is not laying hands on someone and an insta cure, thats the acceleration of the natural. healing is the face that we can ask for 1 Gods assistance in the natural posses He has already provided 2 that wisdom be given to the doctors that treat us 3 that He also fulfills a supernatural healing along with the natural.

we can ask for a strong immune system in the cold seasons, and if we have symptoms we can call for a fast recovery.

did i say trusting Him was, again NO. i said rejecting the natural aspect of healing completely was...SMH


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