Word of faith

[Edify]

Right. I think the article on wiki pretty much covered the history. Some years back there were quite a few people on here that were embedded in the WOF doctrines. Some pretty interesting threads. I've tried searching for some of them; maybe I'm using the wrong parameters, but so far can't find them.

Some of them might be missing. I think there was a problem with the server & some old stuff was lost.

 

[Doll]

So I am curious about this subject, See when I was in the hospital they had someone there to sit with me to keep an eye on me and they were a wof believer and they were telling me how the wof belief puts faith into action and he said to declare something in faith with authority is how one gets to see the works of God in action

But to be honest and this part depending on how you look at it may have been woppf in action I wanted to learn if it was actually biblical and no longer had I said this a code blue happened meaning someone stopped breathing and was dying and almost as if by instinct as the nurses were running to where the code blue was taking place I declared for the person to breath again and no sooner had I done this the code blue stopped.

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

WoF is also known as the Prosperity Gospel.
TV pastors like Joel Osteen,TD Jakes (a very close friend of P Diddy and Oprah), Paula White,and Joyce Meyers, teach the PG.

Basically it promotes the idea that if you love God, he'll reward you with money and material goods.

It generates the energy for its foundation from Old and New Testament scriptures. Particularly from the passage in John 14:13-14.

 

[pinebeach]

Some of them might be missing. I think there was a problem with the server & some old stuff was lost.

That's a shame. I think you might be right cause there is other stuff I was trying to find and no go on that either. Historical documents

 

[pinebeach]

Basically it promotes the idea that if you love God, he'll reward you with money and material goods.

That is incorrect. And no, I do not have a temper as you suggested. I just don't tolerate made up nonsense very well. Sorry (not really) just not going to respond to you again. I don't need to be roughed up by people who do not know me and resent what I say cause it hits too close too home. Cheers

 

[Citizen]

WoF is also known as the Prosperity Gospel.
TV pastors like Joel Osteen,TD Jakes (a very close friend of P Diddy and Oprah), Paula White,and Joyce Meyers, teach the PG.

Basically it promotes the idea that if you love God, he'll reward you with money and material goods.

It generates the energy for its foundation from Old and New Testament scriptures. Particularly from the passage in John 14:13-14.

Not quite. See post #11.

 

[Blain]

You are making things up Blain. Jesus said that demons go into a dry place when they leave a person. Why didn't Jesus send the demons who went into the pigs back to hell? Hey I tell you what. If it's that easy then why don't we all just start telling the demons to go to hell (not sure they began there but that is not within the scope of this thread) Maybe we could avoid the whole tribulationl thing and just set up heaven right here right now. (sarcasim)

Matthew 12:43-45 King James Version (KJV)
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Demons don't die and they do not go to hell. Demons can be and are cast out. It's probably fine to say go where Jesus sends you which people do sometimes especially when they are afraid. However, once we really understand our position in Christ and our authority IN Him, then we can authoratatively send them off. The devil and his demons will only be sent to the lake of fire by Jesus when time runs out.

That is not now and that is not by you saying you did so.

Like I said you can believe me or not and btw hell is a very dry place

 

[Blain]

WoF is also known as the Prosperity Gospel.
TV pastors like Joel Osteen,TD Jakes (a very close friend of P Diddy and Oprah), Paula White,and Joyce Meyers, teach the PG.

Basically it promotes the idea that if you love God, he'll reward you with money and material goods.

It generates the energy for its foundation from Old and New Testament scriptures. Particularly from the passage in John 14:13-14.

I think the wof and the prosperity gospel are different mainly because wof is not about money and good fortune it is more like faith in action

I do not subscribe to the wof or the prosperity gospel I just know that I have seen what happens when you stand in his authority and declare something and it happens.

 

[GWH]

So I am curious about this subject, See when I was in the hospital they had someone there to sit with me to keep an eye on me and they were a wof believer and they were telling me how the wof belief puts faith into action and he said to declare something in faith with authority is how one gets to see the works of God in action

But to be honest and this part depending on how you look at it may have been woppf in action I wanted to learn if it was actually biblical and no longer had I said this a code blue happened meaning someone stopped breathing and was dying and almost as if by instinct as the nurses were running to where the code blue was taking place I declared for the person to breath again and no sooner had I done this the code blue stopped.

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

It certainly would which is why I prefer to pray for God’s will to be done rather than pretend He is my genie.

 

[homwardbound]

I do think there is some truth to wof if done correctly. The ability to have faith so strong that you declare something and it happens is biblical Jesus made fish and bread come and he healed the sick made the blind see but we don't see things like this very much these days due to lack of faith.

To do it correctly in my opinion is to firstly believe you will recieve what you ask for secondly make sure the credit goes to the father thirdly thank father for his help

Do not do your good deeds publicly, rather go into your own closet and shut the door, Father who knows all secrets openly rewards his children in trust to God, even if the answer is no! what? Because the ones that rust Father in risen Son trust, Father knows best always even in a no!

Okay, I have been given a candy store. I own it, am given it. I love it, I see all the candy and want it now!
Now I get told by God who gave this store to me, to be wise in having it, eat one to three candies a day and be well in that.
I say okay, and then go ahead and have ten candies. later on I get sick and do not realize why? God tells me it is too much candy, I did this to myself. I , then ask to be taught how to manage my candy store wisely and teach others what God teaches me, thanking the Lord. The next week, I am well enough again to eat some more candy, now in moderation
Learning from mistakes made. putting behind me what is past, good or bad, moving forward in continued trust to Father and Son as Won for us all thank you Father

 

[pinebeach]

Like I said you can believe me or not and btw hell is a very dry place

Oh have you been there? LOL! Nothing like insisting you are right ESPECIALLY when Jesus Himself disgrees with you.

LOL! But I'm not really laughing. It's sad that you will not even be corrected by the very Bible you say you believe. I think we both know better. Don't wanna loose face. Keep your face and I'll just chalk it up to one more person who thinks God is at their whim.

 

[Doll]

Not quite. See post #11.

https://www.freedailydevotional.com/archives/8789
The Word of Faith Movement: Core Beliefs and Teachings

The Word of Faith movement, often referred to as the “prosperity gospel” or the “health and wealth gospel,” is a controversial Christian theological movement that has gained prominence over the last several decades.

 

[Blade]

So I am curious about this subject, See when I was in the hospital they had someone there to sit with me to keep an eye on me and they were a wof believer and they were telling me how the wof belief puts faith into action and he said to declare something in faith with authority is how one gets to see the works of God in action

But to be honest and this part depending on how you look at it may have been woppf in action I wanted to learn if it was actually biblical and no longer had I said this a code blue happened meaning someone stopped breathing and was dying and almost as if by instinct as the nurses were running to where the code blue was taking place I declared for the person to breath again and no sooner had I done this the code blue stopped.

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

You pick up that bible and find out without Faith we cannot please Him. Word of Faith is the word of God. Now anyone for Christ who came in the flesh died on the cross for the words sin was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father.. they are of God. As a believer I look for the good anyone does for Christ. How can one miss from brother John "love one another" Every one falls misses it gets some silly doctrine that does not touch salvation yet it is Christ alone that we enter. So we help pray for those we believe are in error and speak life .. we are the light... love sees what?

Heard this story about this woman saying a angel shows up tell hers ..her husband will live and the cow will live. At one point she said "if that cow lives I will sell it and donate the money to.....". The angel looked not mad but said "there is no IF..." Much more to this but..

My point there is no if. If is doubting and God said if we doubt were like a ship tossed about and let not that man think he will get anything from God. What you look for is "is it written" does it go in line with the word of God. I find .. so sad that so much good just them that they do for Christ going back decades is never I mean never shared.

What if... Peter and John.. that man was healed they said why do you look at us as if we did it. "faith in that name healed this man". Its not who lay hands on says this or that. Its that name faith in that name. Its Jesus Christ king of kings lord of lords. The moment you start to stand on Gods word to live by faith to walk by faith. The enemy comes in so fast to steal it. Christ said if we had the faith the size of a mustard seed we could tell that MTN to move and it has to obey you.

Faith is calling those things that be not as through they were. It is like the great I am. Christ said.. what ever you ask when you pray believe you receive it you shall have it. That's faith some believe this some do not praise GOD they know Christ. OT Delight yourself in the LORD; And He will give you the desires of your heart. <--this is a promise but sometimes we forget the rest so read on "Commit your way to the LORD, Trust also in Him, And He shall bring it to pass." That is a promise.

NT He said if we know God hears us then we know we have the petitions we asked for. Ever read all the promises in that Bible? We love Him we believe but do we? Israel? We love Israel all for them.. we believe ever promise GOD made them .. He will keep! So is it not written as Isaac was we are the children of promise? That Vine Christ there are original branches and then we grafted in and no one can tell what was original vs grafted in. We are one. Not here to offend to debate.. I walk by faith I live by faith I fall .. this world sin hits me like every one else. But I have a choice.. I learned so many years ago no matter what I see what I feel.. no matter how dark it gets He has every time kept His word. What stands out is love.. love always wants to help...

So.. I don't use doubt no ifs.. what can you believe? He has not Changed..

 

[Blain]

Oh have you been there? LOL! Nothing like insisting you are right ESPECIALLY when Jesus Himself disgrees with you.

LOL! But I'm not really laughing. It's sad that you will not even be corrected by the very Bible you say you believe. I think we both know better. Don't wanna loose face. Keep your face and I'll just chalk it up to one more person who thinks God is at their whim.

Actually yes I have been there before so I know full well how hot and dry that place is, and tell me where does Jesus disagree with me? did he not give us authority to trample over the enemy or do you not believe his words? Luke 10:19. In this verse, Jesus tells his disciples, "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you

And saving face? you think I care what you think of me? I speak things you do not accept that is to be expected the unbelief in the body has rooted itself deeply and I am sorry you do not see or accept what God has clearly spoken but that is on you

Tell me what reason would I have to make this stuff up only to be mocked? Do you think I say these things knowing that I will not be receieved well for fun? No I expect it I know that by saying these things many will not receive it but you have not been able to disprove it either you say Jesus disagrees but I haven't seen any verse where he says this, no he says we have the authority over the enemy and the verse I gave proves it

 

[Blain]

It certainly would which is why I prefer to pray for God’s will to be done rather than pretend He is my genie.

It is by the leading of the spirit that we do this not because he is our genie

 

[Blain]

You pick up that bible and find out without Faith we cannot please Him. Word of Faith is the word of God. Now anyone for Christ who came in the flesh died on the cross for the words sin was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father.. they are of God. As a believer I look for the good anyone does for Christ. How can one miss from brother John "love one another" Every one falls misses it gets some silly doctrine that does not touch salvation yet it is Christ alone that we enter. So we help pray for those we believe are in error and speak life .. we are the light... love sees what?

Heard this story about this woman saying a angel shows up tell hers ..her husband will live and the cow will live. At one point she said "if that cow lives I will sell it and donate the money to.....". The angel looked not mad but said "there is no IF..." Much more to this but..

My point there is no if. If is doubting and God said if we doubt were like a ship tossed about and let not that man think he will get anything from God. What you look for is "is it written" does it go in line with the word of God. I find .. so sad that so much good just them that they do for Christ going back decades is never I mean never shared.

What if... Peter and John.. that man was healed they said why do you look at us as if we did it. "faith in that name healed this man". Its not who lay hands on says this or that. Its that name faith in that name. Its Jesus Christ king of kings lord of lords. The moment you start to stand on Gods word to live by faith to walk by faith. The enemy comes in so fast to steal it. Christ said if we had the faith the size of a mustard seed we could tell that MTN to move and it has to obey you.

Faith is calling those things that be not as through they were. It is like the great I am. Christ said.. what ever you ask when you pray believe you receive it you shall have it. That's faith some believe this some do not praise GOD they know Christ. OT Delight yourself in the LORD; And He will give you the desires of your heart. <--this is a promise but sometimes we forget the rest so read on "Commit your way to the LORD, Trust also in Him, And He shall bring it to pass." That is a promise.

NT He said if we know God hears us then we know we have the petitions we asked for. Ever read all the promises in that Bible? We love Him we believe but do we? Israel? We love Israel all for them.. we believe ever promise GOD made them .. He will keep! So is it not written as Isaac was we are the children of promise? That Vine Christ there are original branches and then we grafted in and no one can tell what was original vs grafted in. We are one. Not here to offend to debate.. I walk by faith I live by faith I fall .. this world sin hits me like every one else. But I have a choice.. I learned so many years ago no matter what I see what I feel.. no matter how dark it gets He has every time kept His word. What stands out is love.. love always wants to help...

So.. I don't use doubt no ifs.. what can you believe? He has not Changed..

Yes you understand what I have been saying and this is the kind of faith I am seeking

 

[Brasspen]

I am so glad I seen this post today. New stuff I didn't know about. I must repent from some things.

 

[Jordon]

You pick up that bible and find out without Faith we cannot please Him. Word of Faith is the word of God. Now anyone for Christ who came in the flesh died on the cross for the words sin was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father.. they are of God. As a believer I look for the good anyone does for Christ. How can one miss from brother John "love one another" Every one falls misses it gets some silly doctrine that does not touch salvation yet it is Christ alone that we enter. So we help pray for those we believe are in error and speak life .. we are the light... love sees what?

Heard this story about this woman saying a angel shows up tell hers ..her husband will live and the cow will live. At one point she said "if that cow lives I will sell it and donate the money to.....". The angel looked not mad but said "there is no IF..." Much more to this but..

My point there is no if. If is doubting and God said if we doubt were like a ship tossed about and let not that man think he will get anything from God. What you look for is "is it written" does it go in line with the word of God. I find .. so sad that so much good just them that they do for Christ going back decades is never I mean never shared.

What if... Peter and John.. that man was healed they said why do you look at us as if we did it. "faith in that name healed this man". Its not who lay hands on says this or that. Its that name faith in that name. Its Jesus Christ king of kings lord of lords. The moment you start to stand on Gods word to live by faith to walk by faith. The enemy comes in so fast to steal it. Christ said if we had the faith the size of a mustard seed we could tell that MTN to move and it has to obey you.

Faith is calling those things that be not as through they were. It is like the great I am. Christ said.. what ever you ask when you pray believe you receive it you shall have it. That's faith some believe this some do not praise GOD they know Christ. OT Delight yourself in the LORD; And He will give you the desires of your heart. <--this is a promise but sometimes we forget the rest so read on "Commit your way to the LORD, Trust also in Him, And He shall bring it to pass." That is a promise.

NT He said if we know God hears us then we know we have the petitions we asked for. Ever read all the promises in that Bible? We love Him we believe but do we? Israel? We love Israel all for them.. we believe ever promise GOD made them .. He will keep! So is it not written as Isaac was we are the children of promise? That Vine Christ there are original branches and then we grafted in and no one can tell what was original vs grafted in. We are one. Not here to offend to debate.. I walk by faith I live by faith I fall .. this world sin hits me like every one else. But I have a choice.. I learned so many years ago no matter what I see what I feel.. no matter how dark it gets He has every time kept His word. What stands out is love.. love always wants to help...

So.. I don't use doubt no ifs.. what can you believe? He has not Changed..

I believe there is a huge struggle these days in anyone trying to get some hope for healing across without having to overcome a lot of doubt, it seems you can't get pass first base without the challenge are you doing this for personal gain, then if its not that you have prove your not an extremist, I believe a word of faith can be encouraging for so many reasons, and whilst so many could miss use it, I doubt very much you ever could,

My heart goes out to you in your suffering to bring about encouragement and hope in a word of faith, that has been so clearly miss used by what I've read here.
I believe the concerns of many here, on how a word of faith can be miss used are genuine, but you seem so tolerant and gentle at heart. I can only imagine that the lord could work through you

Bye for now friend

 

[GWH]

It is by the leading of the spirit that we do this not because he is our genie

Well, I am in the final stage of life, so I pray that I will be healthy enough until the end to live in my house and not be a burden on my family. I hope this is God’s will.

 

[NightTwister]

I think the wof and the prosperity gospel are different mainly because wof is not about money and good fortune it is more like faith in action

The nickname for WoF is "Gab it and grab it." I went to a WoF church long ago. It's definitely all about the money.

 

[Jordon]

Well, I am in the final stage of life, so I pray that I will be healthy enough until the end to live in my house and not be a burden on my family. I hope this is God’s will.

I wish you well, I watched my mum suffer for a long time,

She suffered for years to the point where she lost some of her dignity as she was bed ridden, for 5 years but she would always do her best to encourage even in her suffering, and it was never a burden for us, tho she felt she was at times, she would say things like I'm so sorry it's took a whole army of people just to get me a new mattress and out of bed and back in again.

It never stopped her from speaking to us or encouraging us, or her giving up completely, all tho without our help monitoring her 24/7 she may have given up and felt that way, that she was to much of a burden.

My mum also went through every spiritual warfare battle there was through her life.

And without living by God and the word of faith she would never have carried on living for 5 years being bed ridden.

She also helped many people to beat addiction and witnessed many spiritual transformations in people after helping people beat every kind of addiction through the word if faith and the authority of the lord.
She even lived with cancer for five years and other life threatening illnesses whilst bed ridden for five years but that never killed her, what took her life was the lord peacefully as we witness her go peacefully holding our hands

God bless you friend