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[Gideon300]

Sweden’s Foreign Ministry has summoned Israel’s ambassador to Stockholm in protest against the lack of humanitarian aid being allowed into Gaza, Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said yesterday according to Reuters.
Last week, under growing international pressure, Israeli occupation authorities allowed a trickle of aid into the Palestinian enclave. However, the few hundred trucks carried only a tiny fraction of the food needed by a population of 2.3 million at risk of famine after nearly three months of blockade.
Kristersson told Swedish news agency TT that the European Union should impose sanctions and exert diplomatic pressure on Israel to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.
“We have been incredibly clear about that ourselves and together with many other European countries,” Kristersson said.
“That pressure is now increasing, no doubt

There is plenty of food in Gaza. Hamas hijacked aid convoys and stole it. They've been selling it to Gazans to fund the Hamas terrorist war on Israel. I've seen videos of Hamas gunmen robbing the trucks. It's not a secret. Israel haters just use the situation to criticise Israel when it is actually Hamas who is responsible.

Yes, the situation is dire. Hamas could fix it instantly. Lay down their arms and release the hostages. Those who criticise Israel should explain how Israel can defeat Hamas in other ways. Israel has finally realised that Hamas will never quit voluntarily. If they are allowed to exist, they will do as they always have done - rebuild and attack again.

Israel is still God's nation. It is proof that God can keep His promises no matter what. The nations rage (Psalm 2) but they are powerless against God. 9 million people, a good many of them Arab Muslims, have prevailed against 170 + million who surround Israel. No Arab country will take Gazan refugees. You should ask Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other Muslims countries why they do not accept Gazans.

 

[Gideon300]

More like Ukraine has reaped what it has sown, they could have and should have stayed neutral rather then be tossed about by western alliances (the USA) which were really after its resources/

What a load of rubbish. What is Russia after? Putin has already made it clear. He wants to restore the former USSR states to Russian control. Russia illegally annexed those nations in the first place and now Putin wants to be known as the man who restored Russia's glory. "Make Russia great again." How many countries has Ukraine invaded? How many times has NATO attacked Russia? How many NATO forces are defending Ukraine?

How does a country remain neutral when invaded by another country? Would America allow Canada to annex Alaska? How about giving back stolen lands to Mexico? I do not understand the logic of those who repeat Putin's propaganda. If you want to know why Ukraine resists Russia, go live in Russia for a while. Be careful, Putin is likely to send you to the front lines. Get your life insurance paid up because you won't be coming back.

 

[Gideon300]

that is bad news...

For Russia.

 

[gb9]

What a load of rubbish. What is Russia after? Putin has already made it clear. He wants to restore the former USSR states to Russian control. Russia illegally annexed those nations in the first place and now Putin wants to be known as the man who restored Russia's glory. "Make Russia great again." How many countries has Ukraine invaded? How many times has NATO attacked Russia? How many NATO forces are defending Ukraine?

How does a country remain neutral when invaded by another country? Would America allow Canada to annex Alaska? How about giving back stolen lands to Mexico? I do not understand the logic of those who repeat Putin's propaganda. If you want to know why Ukraine resists Russia, go live in Russia for a while. Be careful, Putin is likely to send you to the front lines. Get your life insurance paid up because you won't be coming back.

you do know that ukraine and nato tried to crash drones into putin's helicopter right?

that is what triggered the massive response in ukraine over the last few days..

 

[Texasgal]

you do know that ukraine and nato tried to crash drones into putin's helicopter right?

that is what triggered the massive response in ukraine over the last few days..

Well, that’s what’s war is about…

 

[Gideon300]

you do know that ukraine and nato tried to crash drones into putin's helicopter right?

that is what triggered the massive response in ukraine over the last few days..

You should check your facts. There is zero evidence of such an attack. NATO? They are simply not actively involved in the fight. Do you actually know what NATO is? Do you know how hard it is for NATO to attack without the agreement of every NATO member?

Russia has taken lessons from Josef Goebbels. Good old Joe knew how to lie and convince millions that it was the truth. 6 million dead Jews attest to that. Russia's advantage is the millions of useful idiots who mindlessly promote Putin's lies and deceptions. I don't understand why anyone has any sympathy for Putin, but hey, I'm not president of the USA either.

 

[gb9]

You should check your facts. There is zero evidence of such an attack. NATO? They are simply not actively involved in the fight. Do you actually know what NATO is? Do you know how hard it is for NATO to attack without the agreement of every NATO member?

Russia has taken lessons from Josef Goebbels. Good old Joe knew how to lie and convince millions that it was the truth. 6 million dead Jews attest to that. Russia's advantage is the millions of useful idiots who mindlessly promote Putin's lies and deceptions. I don't understand why anyone has any sympathy for Putin, but hey, I'm not president of the USA either.

i have. the attempt to crash drones into his helicopter was a bridge too far,

and the conspiracy theory that he wants to "reconstitute the old soviet union " is just silly.

 

[Gideon300]

i have. the attempt to crash drones into his helicopter was a bridge too far,

and the conspiracy theory that he wants to "reconstitute the old soviet union " is just silly.

Silly? Yes it is a silly idea, but Putin has said that's what he wants. He told the nation April 2005 that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.” He really believes that it is Russia's destiny to be restored to the glory it had under Catherine the Great. And his "silly" idea is costing Russia and Ukraine dearly in death, destruction and financially.

Putin has been to war with Chechnya, Georgia and Moldova, as well as Ukraine. He has Belarus under his complete control. And that's what he wants for Ukraine, a totally subservient state that will do his bidding - including fight his future wars.

 

[HeIsHere]

What a load of rubbish. What is Russia after? Putin has already made it clear. He wants to restore the former USSR states to Russian control. Russia illegally annexed those nations in the first place and now Putin wants to be known as the man who restored Russia's glory. "Make Russia great again." How many countries has Ukraine invaded? How many times has NATO attacked Russia? How many NATO forces are defending Ukraine?

How does a country remain neutral when invaded by another country? Would America allow Canada to annex Alaska? How about giving back stolen lands to Mexico? I do not understand the logic of those who repeat Putin's propaganda. If you want to know why Ukraine resists Russia, go live in Russia for a while. Be careful, Putin is likely to send you to the front lines. Get your life insurance paid up because you won't be coming back.

Russia's glory is not about regaining land it is about its status on the world stage.

As for the rest when you actual state some facts, perhaps starting with broken promises after "tear down this wall" Bill Clinton's and his policies towards Russia maybe then there will be some substance to your response.

Yeltsin told Clinton personally at Helsinki in March 1997:
“Our position has not changed. It remains a mistake for NATO to move eastward. But I need to take steps to alleviate the negative consequences of this for Russia. I am prepared to enter into an agreement with NATO, not because I want to but because it is a forced step. There is no other solution for today.”

National Security Archive

 

[p_rehbein]

On Monday, German Chancellor Merz said "there are no longer any range restrictions for weapons that have been delivered to Ukraine — neither by the British, nor by the French, nor by us, and not by the Americans, either."

As Jesus said it would. Regarding the Title of this OP

 

[Eli1]

Interesting field, AI. I wonder how far it will go. Does anyone see any Bible references to AI? In the wrong hands who knows what it will be capable of in the not too distant future.

Hey Rose, i also work with "AI".
First thing to know is that there is no such thing as "AI" or Artificial Intelligence.
This program which is programmed by humans is not intelligent like we are, but it's a nice catchy name by the marketing folks.
I tell this whenever i have the opportunity to talk to Microsoft on Zoom/Team calls.
"Why are you folks trying to be too much like a Mac? The people love you because they expect Windows. So stick to Windows.
And we both know that there is no such thing as 'AI'."
It's a glorified search engine.

 

[ZNP]

Hey Rose, i also work with "AI".
First thing to know is that there is no such thing as "AI" or Artificial Intelligence.
This program which is programmed by humans is not intelligent like we are, but it's a nice catchy name by the marketing folks.
I tell this whenever i have the opportunity to talk to Microsoft on Zoom/Team calls.
"Why are you folks trying to be too much like a Mac? The people love you because they expect Windows. So stick to Windows.
And we both know that there is no such thing as 'AI'."
It's a glorified search engine.

So then explain to us how a glorified search engine was able to solve a problem that no human had ever been able to solve, the folding of proteins. Alphafold developed 3d fold structures for 200 million proteins and there is no record anywhere on the internet of what these structures were. So it didn't simply search for someone else's solution.

 

[Eli1]

So then explain to us how a glorified search engine was able to solve a problem that no human had ever been able to solve, the folding of proteins. Alphafold developed 3d fold structures for 200 million proteins and there is no record anywhere on the internet of what these structures were. So it didn't simply search for someone else's solution.

By using faster computer power/calculations.
This is why the first "ai" computer was able to beat Gary Kasparov in chess.
Because it saw 10000 moves ahead during the processing of all combinations in about 1 minute.
Gary Kasparov probably thinks about 10-20 moves ahead and has to think 10 minutes for a move like that.

The same computer power can be used to do just about anything nowadays especially since the computer power has increased dramatically and maybe in the next decade we might be even using quantum computing.

Questions that doctors or any other field may need years or decades to know, just throw it into a cluster of computers to run all possible probabilities and then it gives you an answer.
It's a tool that saves you time.

 

[Eli1]

Here's an example here where scientists are running a simulation of the Universe: https://www.livescience.com/technol...t-complicated-simulation-of-the-universe-ever

To run a simulation like this it would take them weeks i'm guessing even with that kind of power, to know the question that they want answered.
All the KNOWN values are plugged into the program. So it's garbage in because we don't know everything about the universe either and we can't know it. It's the way God has made things to humble us.
What they do ask the computer is probably a set of specific questions which then a supercomputer can give you based on almost endless calculations.
It's the same as Einstein who came up with the theory of relativity by knowing existing rules. But the difference between Einstein and a computer is that the former is created in God's image with real intelligence, and the second is a toy which we have created here to give us answers quickly since we might get natural Einsteins once every 2-3 centuries

 

[Eli1]

In the end the computer doesn't have any self-awareness of the answers that it gives.
It takes a human to connect the dots and say 'aha, we never thought of this option'.

 

[ZNP]

By using faster computer power/calculations.
This is why the first "ai" computer was able to beat Gary Kasparov in chess.
Because it saw 10000 moves ahead during the processing of all combinations in about 1 minute.
Gary Kasparov probably thinks about 10-20 moves ahead and has to think 10 minutes for a move like that.

The same computer power can be used to do just about anything nowadays especially since the computer power has increased dramatically and maybe in the next decade we might be even using quantum computing.

Questions that doctors or any other field may need years or decades to know, just throw it into a cluster of computers to run all possible probabilities and then it gives you an answer.
It's a tool that saves you time.

But that means it is not simply finding what others have already posted and discovered. You are saying that man, given greater computing speeds would have been able to solve this, but we don't have greater computing speeds, so without AI we never would have solved this.

Tell me, who has a job where faster computing speeds would not help?

The problem of AI is not when it replaces 100% of people, it is when it replaces 20% of people. We are already at the point at which the proof of concept for AI has been proven that it can replace 20% of the work done by humans.

The second issue is not whether or not AI can replace 50% of our creative ideas, but rather can it replace 50% of the work required to accomplish those ideas. The reality is that the time spent getting a "flash of inspiration" is probably 1% of the time required to build that thing you just envisioned. So even though AI can do 20% of the work today, when you calculate it by hours on the job it can do 50% of the hours.

The third issue is manual labor. There are as many as 20 million blue collar workers in the US. Getting a flash of inspiration is not in their job description. Elon Musk is building Tesla robots specifically designed to take those jobs. Tesla robots are priced at a lease rate of 25k a year. You don't have to pay for benefits and these robots can easily work 100 hours a week. That works out to $5 an hour, no sick time, no overtime pay, no benefits, no liability and no viral videos of them that damage the companies reputation.

 

[Eli1]

But that means it is not simply finding what others have already posted and discovered. You are saying that man, given greater computing speeds would have been able to solve this, but we don't have greater computing speeds, so without AI we never would have solved this.

You are mistaken here. We do have greater computer speeds and AI can run smoothly on top of this hardware which is faster. I used to to work at Intel too, the factory that makes Intel processors on your computer. Back in 1999 they were reaching the limits of how close you can get the circuits on the processor without turning the processor into a brick. The technology was reaching its limitations back in 1999 which is why now, after 25 years people want to go to the next step. Quantum computing. To ask the BIG questions since the hardware has peaked and can't progress further.

Tell me, who has a job where faster computing speeds would not help?

I don't understand this question well but i'm guessing a plumber or an electrician? Why would he need "AI"?
And if you want to ask the next question that robots will be technicians then it's not a human we're talking about anymore so we can't even call it a "who".

The problem of AI is not when it replaces 100% of people, it is when it replaces 20% of people. We are already at the point at which the proof of concept for AI has been proven that it can replace 20% of the work done by humans.

The second issue is not whether or not AI can replace 50% of our creative ideas, but rather can it replace 50% of the work required to accomplish those ideas. The reality is that the time spent getting a "flash of inspiration" is probably 1% of the time required to build that thing you just envisioned. So even though AI can do 20% of the work today, when you calculate it by hours on the job it can do 50% of the hours.

The third issue is manual labor. There are as many as 20 million blue collar workers in the US. Getting a flash of inspiration is not in their job description. Elon Musk is building Tesla robots specifically designed to take those jobs. Tesla robots are priced at a lease rate of 25k a year. You don't have to pay for benefits and these robots can easily work 100 hours a week. That works out to $5 an hour, no sick time, no overtime pay, no benefits, no liability and no viral videos of them that damage the companies reputation.

This is the dilemma of life and progress since Henry Ford invented the conveyor belt and began automation.
What was done by hand, he cut down the process by reducing whatever percentage of the workforce to make the job more accurate and faster. Today 90% of the work is done by machines which build other machines. In the end, some quality guy checks every step so the machine doesn't mess up.

 

[Eli1]

The Internet is ultimately a toy as it exists now. A bad toy i would say. I have mentioned this before.
What started as a noble goal by Tim Berners Lee to exchange information faster, instead of using mail, or fax has devolved into an addition where other giants like google, microsoft, apple etc feed this addiction by giving you tik tok, facebook and other mindless things while they expand their hardware to give you more 'cool' things on your screen.

 

[ZNP]

This is the dilemma of life and progress since Henry Ford invented the conveyor belt and began automation. What was done by hand, he cut down the process by reducing whatever percentage of the workforce to make the job more accurate and faster. Today 90% of the work is done by machines which build other machines. In the end, some quality guy checks every step so the machine doesn't mess up.

No, this is a misunderstanding of human history.

During the industrial age we replaced horses, oxen and other beasts of burdens with machines. The idea that no one loses their job is wrong, a whole bunch of horses and oxen lost their jobs.

Prior to AI, 3d printers, and robots every single technological advance had to be operated by a human, the machine had to be built by a human, had to be sold by a human, had to be fixed by a human.

AI (including robots, drones and 3d printers) is replacing the manufacturer, the operator, the guy who builds it, the guy who designs it, and the guy who fixes it. Currently it is capable of replacing 20% of workers. This will take place first in Fortune 500 companies. Just as Walmart put the local small retailer out of business the Fortune 500 companies will put the Mom and Pop shops out of business because they will be faster and cheaper. You can be certain every Fortune 500 company is currently planning on how to best implement AI at the moment. You can also be sure that Morning Joe just gave you the game plan, every white collar worker is to spend 10% of their day using AI.

DOGE is using AI to evaluate the entire Federal government, in the same way Fortune 500 companies will use AI to evaluate their workers. It will be able to calculate who are the most productive and who are the least. If all the work you do is on a computer you will be the easiest for it to evaluate. Then they lay off the 10% who are the least productive, give all the remaining workers AI, and it can again reevaluate. Perhaps two months later you have the second round of layoffs of another 10%. This is what they said on Morning Joe, if you don't adopt AI rapidly you will be committing professional suicide. Everyone will then get the message and productivity will increase more, "Big brother is watching". At this point they offer early retirement to all the older workers refusing to adapt. You give them an offer they can't refuse.

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Ultimately you will have AI and your most productive workers. But now, there is no expectation of higher pay for being a more productive or high skilled employee. That will be the only employees left with a job. The only way you can be that productive is by maximizing your use of AI and so you are training your replacement. Maybe it will take two years, but the people who are left will be training AI to take their jobs and they will have no choice because the layoffs will continue as the AI continually reassesses how productive each worker is and who can be let go. Every time someone is let go the others have to pick up the slack and so AI will get more and more training.

 

[Eli1]

I agree with you on the essence of the above post.
The problem of automation goes way back, probably when humans invented the wheel or fire on demand.