Would you consider a woman in her 20s twice divorced
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I understand that is the context.
He addressed people who were married and told them not to seek to be released from their spouse, which I am not sure how one could disagree released meant divorced or set free from.
Additionally, if one was never married, what does one need to be loosed from, set free from, or released from?
Lastly, what would be the purpose of Paul distinguishing between the unmarried and virgin in this context?
Are you implying Paul is saying to fornicators and virgins that if they marry, they have not sinned? I do believe fornication is a sin.
He addressed people who were married and told them not to seek to be released from their spouse, which I am not sure how one could disagree released meant divorced or set free from.
Additionally, if one was never married, what does one need to be loosed from, set free from, or released from?
Lastly, what would be the purpose of Paul distinguishing between the unmarried and virgin in this context?
Are you implying Paul is saying to fornicators and virgins that if they marry, they have not sinned? I do believe fornication is a sin.
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I disagree but respect you too much to give you a the emoji...😁
Honestly I wouldn't try to force anyone to agree with me and could respect differences in beliefs.... but to place others in some false man made bondage when they are asking for help... I will defend the truth and call out snobby behavior...
God bless you sis
Honestly I wouldn't try to force anyone to agree with me and could respect differences in beliefs.... but to place others in some false man made bondage when they are asking for help... I will defend the truth and call out snobby behavior...
God bless you sis
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I do not believe it contradicts the other verses because Paul is addressing the church in one context and in the other, 1 Corinthians 7:27-29, he is addressing, in one part, those who were divorced before they became a believer. This also coincides nicely with the context you brought up that he is addressing the state of people when they were called. Some people have been called by God after they were already previously divorced.
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I'm not saying I agree with either one of you. I meant that both of you are arguing in a way that isn't showing kindness or grace to the other. I actually think both of you are being a little snobby and condescending to each other. And God wants us to have peace. I do think that this is an important topic to discuss, like Butterflyyy says. But ya'll try to do it with kindness if possible.
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your context was faulty, so i ignored it.
the usage of the word is: unmarried, of a person not in a state of wedlock, whether he or she has formerly been married or not.
this means the same word applies to all unmarried people, whether never married or divorced. that does not make them the same thing. it's simple logic.
a divorced person is unmarried
a person who has never been married is also unmarried, but not divorced.
both are agamois
therefore agamos is descriptive of the current marital status of the individual, without regard to how they have attained that status. we must look at the broader context of the verse to establish how the word is being used.
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
(was Paul divorced?)
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
If Paul was never married, and he is telling agamois to remain as he is, he is telling them to remain single. Context of agamos established by surrounding verses. It means never been married.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Paul is telling married wives to not depart from their husbands. BUT IF SHE DOES DEPART, let her remain agamos. Context of agamos established by surrounding verses. It means divorced.
the usage of the word is: unmarried, of a person not in a state of wedlock, whether he or she has formerly been married or not.
this means the same word applies to all unmarried people, whether never married or divorced. that does not make them the same thing. it's simple logic.
a divorced person is unmarried
a person who has never been married is also unmarried, but not divorced.
both are agamois
therefore agamos is descriptive of the current marital status of the individual, without regard to how they have attained that status. we must look at the broader context of the verse to establish how the word is being used.
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
(was Paul divorced?)
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
If Paul was never married, and he is telling agamois to remain as he is, he is telling them to remain single. Context of agamos established by surrounding verses. It means never been married.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Paul is telling married wives to not depart from their husbands. BUT IF SHE DOES DEPART, let her remain agamos. Context of agamos established by surrounding verses. It means divorced.
Thank you for the reproof, I know it's coming from a good place.
You aren't wrong when you say "both of you are being a little snobby and condescending"
I definitely had a bit of an attitude in a few posts... being a reaction after having tried to be gentle wouldn't make it any more "right".
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i pray the Lord leads us both to a better understanding of his Word
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I don't see the term "unmarried" in this passage.
1 Corinthians 7:27-29
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
1 Corinthians 7:27-29
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
Well if we want to take this super literally, then the man causes the woman to commit adultery when he divorces her, and a divorced woman causes a man to committ adultery by marrying him, but doesn't actually commit adultery herself. So as far as I can tell, if we're really going to take Jesus at his word then divorced women are pretty much off the hook, they can't sin by remarrying only the men who marry them are sinning. But that's okay because when the man realizes marrying her was a sin and divorces her then he's not comitting any sin only she is guilty. Does that make logical sense or seem just to anyone?
Oh and wanted to post this earlier but could find it. Now I've found it in the dusty archives of CC and I'm saving it to my computer (because this topic is sure to come up again):
This is a post I originally made in the forums in response to someone saying that marrying a divorced person is equal to adultery and therefore sinful and all divorced people should remain unmarried. Since this idea is spread a lot around various forums as what the Bible says, I decided to do a quick Bible search on the word divorce and here's some of what I found posted in the hopes that those facing or who have been through a divorce can have a better idea of what the Bible teaches.
Quick Bible search on divorce reveals:
OT law: Divorce and remarriage were permitted under God's covenant (i.e. not sin) (Deuteronomy 24:1-2) except in special circumstances, usually involving the man having sexual relations with the woman before marriage and thus making her ineligible for marriage to anyone else ( see Deut 22) (In Jeremiah 3:8 God uses the same word for divorce and says he divorced Israel for faithlessness). The word for divorce used here comes from a root meaning cut off.
Ezra 10: There was a problem that the covenant people had taken pagan wives and they made a covenant with God to send them away. Some translations use divorce here though the Hebrew word is different and means more of of sending out or movement away from. Their sin in this case was not the "divorcing" but the marrying.
Mal 2:16- the famous God hates divorce passage. Divorce in this case is yet another Hebrew word meaning to cast out or send away. Some people speculate that what was happening in this case is that the men were abandoning their wives and the responsibility to provide for them without even giving them the legal freedom of divorce to find another husband who would take care of them. And the translations vary between whether God hates this or whether a man who does this to his wife is showing her hatred. The passage is clear that breaking the marriage vows is evil, an act of treachery, but places no blame on the one who was gotten rid of.
Matt 5: 31-32 This is the famous passage on divorce equals adultery. Interestingly enough, this comes in Jesus' sermon on the mount right after the part about adultery and right before the part about vows. To be fair in this sermon Jesus also says that being angry with someone equals murder and lust equals adultery and you should chop off body parts that cause you to lust. We better enforce those things as well if we're going to be fully obedient to scripture.
Jesus has another discussion about divorce in Matt 19. He states that divorce isn't God's design, and that a man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery- unless his wife had been unfaithful.
So in light of the fact that God permitted divorce among his covenant people, and the context of what Jesus said about divorce being so tightly linked to adultery, I think the most just interpretation is Jesus' meaning was that divorcing your spouse so that you can be with someone else is just as evil as if you actually committed adultery and cheated on your spouse. Just like it wouldn't be acceptable in God's sight to plan to get married, sleep together, and then divorce an hour later so that you didn't technically commit fornication. That interpretation also seems much more in line with Jesus telling the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more and Paul's counsel in 1 Cor 7 to let unbelieving spouses leave if they wish, since believers aren't bound in such a case.
I'm sure this isn't an exhaustive study, but hopefully it can encourage some people who show up and get out of context Bible verses thrown at them.
This is a post I originally made in the forums in response to someone saying that marrying a divorced person is equal to adultery and therefore sinful and all divorced people should remain unmarried. Since this idea is spread a lot around various forums as what the Bible says, I decided to do a quick Bible search on the word divorce and here's some of what I found posted in the hopes that those facing or who have been through a divorce can have a better idea of what the Bible teaches.
Quick Bible search on divorce reveals:
OT law: Divorce and remarriage were permitted under God's covenant (i.e. not sin) (Deuteronomy 24:1-2) except in special circumstances, usually involving the man having sexual relations with the woman before marriage and thus making her ineligible for marriage to anyone else ( see Deut 22) (In Jeremiah 3:8 God uses the same word for divorce and says he divorced Israel for faithlessness). The word for divorce used here comes from a root meaning cut off.
Ezra 10: There was a problem that the covenant people had taken pagan wives and they made a covenant with God to send them away. Some translations use divorce here though the Hebrew word is different and means more of of sending out or movement away from. Their sin in this case was not the "divorcing" but the marrying.
Mal 2:16- the famous God hates divorce passage. Divorce in this case is yet another Hebrew word meaning to cast out or send away. Some people speculate that what was happening in this case is that the men were abandoning their wives and the responsibility to provide for them without even giving them the legal freedom of divorce to find another husband who would take care of them. And the translations vary between whether God hates this or whether a man who does this to his wife is showing her hatred. The passage is clear that breaking the marriage vows is evil, an act of treachery, but places no blame on the one who was gotten rid of.
Matt 5: 31-32 This is the famous passage on divorce equals adultery. Interestingly enough, this comes in Jesus' sermon on the mount right after the part about adultery and right before the part about vows. To be fair in this sermon Jesus also says that being angry with someone equals murder and lust equals adultery and you should chop off body parts that cause you to lust. We better enforce those things as well if we're going to be fully obedient to scripture.
Jesus has another discussion about divorce in Matt 19. He states that divorce isn't God's design, and that a man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery- unless his wife had been unfaithful.
So in light of the fact that God permitted divorce among his covenant people, and the context of what Jesus said about divorce being so tightly linked to adultery, I think the most just interpretation is Jesus' meaning was that divorcing your spouse so that you can be with someone else is just as evil as if you actually committed adultery and cheated on your spouse. Just like it wouldn't be acceptable in God's sight to plan to get married, sleep together, and then divorce an hour later so that you didn't technically commit fornication. That interpretation also seems much more in line with Jesus telling the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more and Paul's counsel in 1 Cor 7 to let unbelieving spouses leave if they wish, since believers aren't bound in such a case.
I'm sure this isn't an exhaustive study, but hopefully it can encourage some people who show up and get out of context Bible verses thrown at them.
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I would never judge anyone from their past. If GOD placed a woman in my life, as long as we were equally yoked, It would not matter whether she were divorced 2 times (especially trying to make it work with the same man) or had 10 kids (ok, the 10 kids might be an obstacle......🤣🤣😂😂😬).
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