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what proof would satisfy you?
Doc because the papacy says he's a liar then it must be true, that's submission to the pope.
what proof would satisfy you?
I find it truly amazing that someone presenting themself as an intellectual would disregard, out-of-hand, a respected world-class post-doctoral scholar from Oxford yet glom onto this guy as a credible source (e.g. Alberto Rivera).
Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions By James A. Beverley:
"Chick Publications circulate the works of Alberto Rivera, who claimed to be a Jesuit priest and biship in the Catholic Church... Rivera's life story was the subject of devastating criticism by Gary Metz in a 1981 Cornerstone magazine [e.g. Protestant magazine] report. Rivera's former colleagues (not priests as he was not one himself) provided Metz with clear evidence of Rivera's lies and delusions about his claims of espionage for the pope."
"Rivera had a 'history of legal entanglements' including fraud, credit card theft, and writing bad checks. Warrants had been issued for his arrest in New Jersey and Florida, and he was wanted by the Spanish police for 'swindles and cheats'; while in the USA in 1967, he claimed to be collecting money for a Spanish college, which never received this money. The details of his claims changed: In 1964 he said he had left the Catholic Church in July 1952, but he later put the date at March 20, 1967; despite this, he was still promoting Catholicism in a newspaper interview of August that same year. Although supposedly placed in the sanitorium in 1965 and held there for three months, he gave the date of his release as September 1967, leaving a period of over a year unaccounted.
The document exhibited by Rivera to prove his status as a Catholic priest was fraudulently obtained and the Catholic Church denies his claims of having been a Jesuit priest or a bishop. He had only one sister in London; she was not called Maria, was not a nun, and did not live in a convent. In an employment form dated 1963 he claimed marriage to Carmen Lydia Torres, and the couple had two children in the USA when his own account had him a celibate priest in Spain.
Cornerstone also questioned Rivera's claim to various degrees, including three doctorates (Th.D., D.D., and Ph.D.), reporting that his known chronology did not allow enough time for him to have completed these degrees and that he had admitted to receiving them from a Colorado diploma mill."
Metz, Gary (1981). "The Alberto Story". Cornerstone 9 (53): 29–31. Archived from the original on 2005-12-02. Cornerstone Magazine :: Alberto Rivera, Jack Chick, and a False Story
Doc because the papacy says he's a liar then it must be true, that's submission to the pope.
oh ya I forgot Alex...hehehe
and if the pope doesnt say people like Rivera are liars then he gets the Cup of Borgia by the SS...erm...I mean the Order of Jesuits.
Who's darth pope at the moment?
still alfonso nicholas?
Smear job.
Listen to Alberto Rivera's testimony yourself and make up your own mind.
(not directed at you AOK)
The Jesuits are a crypto Jewish cult inside the judaized xtianity of RCC.
Keeping tabs for the mother of harlots.
t'is true.
the reg'lar catholic folks don't know that though.
rome got hijacked by the judaizers fer sure.
just like the secular jews have no clue what their national religion is.
The jews were teaching law and circumcision. Not paganism.
I stand by my earlier assertions. You have no interest in the truth whatsoever. All you care about is being right. That's why you so easily dismiss all the evidence that disagrees with you. It's a "smear job" or else us Catholics are just hiding something, or the Pope will be given the "cup of Borgia"
Never mind the straightforward facts, never mind that the most logical point of view in the case of Alberto is that he is a con man, in your mind the real truth always has to be the most insane conspiracy theory. Even when presented with clear, convincing proof of Alberto's lies you would never dismiss him because then you'd be proven wrong. And you being right is much more important to you than finding the truth.
Where do you guys get this stuff?? Judiazers did not make Catholicism. Pegan leaders of the roman elite did. Because they were afraid they would be swarmed by their pagan citizens if they did not add pagan stuff with christian stuff after Christianity was made the religion of the state.
The jews were teaching law and circumcision. Not paganism.
The most logical point of view regarding Rivera is that the Catholics are attempting to smear him to discredit his exposure of the jesuit order.
Right. Never mid the evidence compiled by Protestants, or civil authorities, never mind the blatant lies pointed such as the one about his sister, never mind the work records showing he couldn't have been places he claimed to be. The most logical thing is a massive conspiracy that fabricated all the evidence.
Again you prove my point. You don't want the truth. You just want to be right.
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The Jesuit oath even says:
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope. You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities[/FONT]
So vringing forth evidence from supposed protestants aint gonna do you much good either.