Yet another shooting

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HealthAndHappiness

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All the weapons in the hands of "trained military personnel " is exactly what the devil has been fighting FOR. The Bible tells us of the Philistines who disarmed God's people and put them under bondage. Must I remind us again of The past hundred years ?
Trained military personnel murdered their own people more than those of other nations.


"It works in practice" you say?
Indeed it does.
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It might help to recall, the one who despite their claim post as anti- gun, is advocating only the military have military grade firearms claims to have been former military.

Only the military armed with military grade weapons.
History proves repeatedly that this is a bad idea.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!

 
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“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Amendment II, The U.S. Constitution

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.”

Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787

https://ammo.com/articles/founding-fathers-quotes-second-amendment-guns-keep-and-bear-arms
 

Eli1

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You’re a very interesting person @ButterflyJones .
You want Jesus to come back as female and you also want guns.
You‘re very interesting indeed.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I understand and agree however the spirit of your point. If someone has committed a crime with a firearm, they intended to use it if need be to steal.

A family member and I have been attacked by much more powerful enemies who tried to kill us with weapons. I've studied the Bible on this issue and the sociology of the situations as applied to others. Each case is unique and I believe the Bible covers each in enough details. One of the problems is that the legal system rejected the Bible as source of law.
I fully support your right and responsibility to defend yourself, your family, and your neighbor.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Any cop, politician, or public official of anykind willing to persecute, an American citizen for defending his nieghbor, family, or self should fired and exiled from the country for violating his oath.
 

Gideon300

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This is incorrect. Australia's gun grab was based on a demonstrable false flag - the Port Arthur massacre, where a retarded man was supposed to have purchased an automatic weapon several weeks prior and somehow obtained a shot to kill ratio that only elite, expert snipers in the military are able to obtain after years of training. By disregarding witness statements that proved the retarded man was not at the scene of the mass shootings when they began, and an improperly conducted (if not corrupt) police interrogation with leading questions whereby the suspect with severe mental impairment admitted to the shootings, the Australian government managed to avert a court case where the truth of the conspiracy to frame an innocent but naive man would almost certainly have been exposed.

In recent months, fearful that the truth of the matter might go mainstream, corrupt Australian politicians and police are calling for the designation of people who question the Lame Stream Narrative of the Port Arthur massacre as "terrorists". This shows who the liars are, as the truth fears no investigation.

The recent shootings by police of peaceful Australians protesting the illegal covid lockdowns and vaccine mandates at the ANZAC memorial almost certainly would not have happened if Australians still had access to their weapons.

If anything, Australia's experience proves that mass shootings are caused by gun-grabbing Communists, and that gun-grabs by Communists should be resisted until all Communists have been brought to justice. The only alternative is tyranny.
Never let facts get in the way of your false notions.
 

ZNP

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I fully support your right and responsibility to defend yourself, your family, and your neighbor.
We have two people right now in the US who shot people that were trespassing in their property. They may have thought they were defending themselves and their family, but it is very likely that both will be convicted of crimes. In that event, if you had your way, one of them would be executed.

And that is what you mean by "fully supporting your right to defend yourself"
 
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Locoponydirtman

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We have two people right now in the US who shot people that were trespassing in their property. They may have thought they were defending themselves and their family, but it is very likely that both will be convicted of crimes. In that event, if you had your way, one of them would be executed.

And that is what you mean by "fully supporting your right to defend yourself"
If they were defending themselves and their family why would any be executed if i had my way?
My way there is no crime defending self family and nieghbor.
My view on it is the use of a firearm to commit a crime, ie rape, rob, murder. Not defense. Defense is not a crime.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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We have two people right now in the US who shot people that were trespassing in their property. They may have thought they were defending themselves and their family, but it is very likely that both will be convicted of crimes. In that event, if you had your way, one of them would be executed.

And that is what you mean by "fully supporting your right to defend yourself"
Also don't put false meaning behind my words. That is the work of satan. If you wish to play the role of satan then never speak to me.
I have already said the men have abdicated the role of father to govco. When I say i full support a mans right to defend... i mean by what force is deemed necesaary by the defender in the moment. I have also said many times ( not in this thread but other times) what ever evil befalls a person while commiting an evil act is on his own head.
 

ZNP

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If they were defending themselves and their family why would any be executed if i had my way?
My way there is no crime defending self family and nieghbor.
My view on it is the use of a firearm to commit a crime, ie rape, rob, murder. Not defense. Defense is not a crime.
Because there are two sides to the story. The person shot says they went on the property by accident or were lost.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Because there are two sides to the story. The person shot says they went on the property by accident or were lost.
Trespassing has many varying degrees. Comming across a backyard at night up to the backdoor, would lead one to believe he must defend. Crossing on to someones remote acerage, accessing hunting or fishing or as a short cut to other places is not a cause to believe one must defend.
I dont know the details of either case.
I believe in the right to defend self, family and nieghbor from eminent danger and harm or even their property from significant loss. That does not include simple trespass. Walking across a farm, field, patch of woods is not cause to shoot someone.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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If He shot someone for walking across his land there is no reason to believe that anyone or any property was in any real danger. Then yes He should go to the firing squad
 

ZNP

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If He shot someone for walking across his land there is no reason to believe that anyone or any property was in any real danger. Then yes He should go to the firing squad
I think there are many cases that are not clear and that is why I like our system of having a judge decide what the penalty should be within certain guidelines.

The US used to have a 3 strike rule concerning drugs and it was a catastrophe.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I think there are many cases that are not clear and that is why I like our system of having a judge decide what the penalty should be within certain guidelines.

The US used to have a 3 strike rule concerning drugs and it was a catastrophe.
Our system is terrible and aweful, and fails horrifically the vast majority of the time. Many of our laws protect criminals and punish defenders of family and neighbor, and punishes things that are not a crime. Our system is so corrupt it needs an entire rebuild.
 
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Never let facts get in the way of your false notions.
If any of what I stated was false, please list it. There is even more behind the story that demonstrate it is an obvious false flag (which I'm sure you would know if you truly do live in Australia and have done even an ounce of research), but please list any factual statements I gave which you believe to be false.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Repealing the second amendment is going to require a 2/3 Senate and House of Representatives vote.
In other words, not going to happen
I dont know that one could ever repeal 2A. What could happen which has been demonstrated in some cities, like Chicago, New York and LA, among others is that they make possession of a fire arm expensive and difficult. What also could be done is to tax ammo beyond the range of affordability.
If one take notice all these cities in which firearm ownership is made expensive and difficult are crime ridden filthy dumps that are declining rapidly. I think mostly because they are rediculously dangerous.
 

Gideon300

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If any of what I stated was false, please list it. There is even more behind the story that demonstrate it is an obvious false flag (which I'm sure you would know if you truly do live in Australia and have done even an ounce of research), but please list any factual statements I gave which you believe to be false.
"False flag" is your contention. The only thing false is your contention. Next you'll be telling me that the earth is flat.
 

Gideon300

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If they were defending themselves and their family why would any be executed if i had my way?
My way there is no crime defending self family and nieghbor.
My view on it is the use of a firearm to commit a crime, ie rape, rob, murder. Not defense. Defense is not a crime.
So those who fear a racial group, or the police, should be free to shoot on sight? Something like "The police are killing black people. I'm black so I have the right to kill any policeman I come across as I fear being shot myself"? There is no such thing as preemptive self defence. Any society that takes that route is headed for total anarchy.