you all have mental issues

[laura_charlotte]

No one's perfect. My view is that along as we're doing our best, talking to God every day about what we can do to empower ourselves against the enemy, when and where we need to change and we put in that effort to follow through, then that's a great way to be.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I hate to be harsh,but the world is retarded,they are spiritually retarded.

Like someone in the physical realm that cannot comprehend to physical truths,and some people will say that person is retarded,the people that do not receive the things of the Spirit of God cannot comprehend to the spiritual truths.

I do not like to use the word retarded,but to illustrate the point,the world is retarded,they are spiritually retarded.

That word just seems to fit at certain times, I use it way too much, its my go to word.

 

[Scriptureplz]

everyone has mental issues. serious ones.
let me explain:

we can broadly divide mankind into two categories, those who have received Christ and those who haven't.

first, those who have not believed.

the Bible has a lot of things to say about their minds; here's just a few:

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
(Romans 1:21-22)

So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.
(Ephesians 4:17-19)

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see
the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
(2 Corinthians 4:4)

The LORD knows the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
(Psalm 94:11)

To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe,
nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
(Titus 1:15)​

here's the scriptural picture of the mental state of all mankind under the influence of the spirit of this age, by the god of this age:

• their minds and consciences are corrupted.
• their thinking is futile and vain.
• they are blinded.
• their hearts are hardened.
• they are ignorant & have lost all sensitivity.
• they think they are wise, but are foolish.

folks, that is unhealthy. that is mental issues. people have serious, serious problems in their minds and their way of thinking -- they are all "nuts" in a way that goes far beyond just mild personality quirks. that's how the Bible describes us: all of us.

second, we who have believed.

when we heard and believed the gospel of Jesus Christ, we were sealed with the Holy Spirit, and that Spirit began on ongoing work in us. first of all, that "belief" is an activity of our mind. that "hearing" involved understanding, a thing that happened in our mind. we can't 'receive' a gospel that we do not comprehend: Christianity is an intellectual belief, not an emotional one. the Bible calls the heart 'deceitfully wicked above all things' but we as having believed - in some of those same verses above - are encouraged not to walk after the same way of thinking that we formerly were in.

yes, we formerly were in. if we have believed and received the Holy Ghost, then all of us were at one time just as ignorant, corrupted, futile and vain in our thinking. we could not receive God because we could not have any knowledge of Him until He revealed it to us: our belief and our faith in Him are gifts from God, His calling in us, who set us apart before the beginning of the world, predestining us to become an inheritance for the Son, a love-gift to Him who bought our redemption with His blood.
we could not seek God because we could not know Him, because our minds, too, were seriously ill.

we were every bit as mentally ill as everyone else in the whole world.
we commonly talk about this as a 'spiritual problem' but see, the Bible talks about this as a mental problem as well: the spirit is not disconnected from the rest of the man! and all of us by the time we are adults have spent tens of thousands of hours being indoctrinated by the spirit of the age into a corrupt way of thinking, building up in us a mentally unstable, irrational and vain state of mind.
we have come to know a Great Physician, praise God!!! -- but if this redemption meant our minds were automatically and forever completely healed, then would the scriptures include so much encouragement and teaching that we should be careful not to continue in these corrupt, mentally-ill ways of thinking? if we were already fully "sane" as it were, would it be necessary for the Spirit to say to us this?

Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.
(Romans 12:2)​

i'm told that the verb tense here for "renewed" indicates an ongoing process. it is not a one-time deal. we still have the residual effects of the corrupt, vain, mentally unstable, irrational mind-sickness in us that we all were redeemed out of. that is why we need to always be 'mindful' to no longer be pressed into the mold of the spirit of the age, and have our minds instead daily renewed, regenerated, and built up in the truth.
that is the only way we can "discern" the will of God -- and look, again, "discernment" is a thing that goes on in our minds, not in our hearts. it is a cerebral process, not an emotional one!

we have the mind of Christ, it is true, amen! (1 Corinthians 2:16) -- but this is not saying that we all think as Christ does. no, "His thoughts are higher than our thoughts" is still true.
we have the mind of Christ, but we have this through the Spirit that dwells within us, through which God has begun a work of transformation and renewal that is as yet unfinished (Romans 8:23, etc) but will be one day complete, when He returns and reconciles all things.
meanwhile -- we have two laws within us, and we are of two minds: the old way of thinking, which is corrupt and altogether mentally ill, and the new mind that is of God through His spirit given to us by Jesus Christ. these are at war with each other within our hearts and minds: we are schizo, with two radically different ways of thinking opposing each other inside our heads. the scriptures teach us that we should be clinging to one and despising the other; this is the work of God within us, the renewal that goes on each day -- the "therapy" of our Great Physician, our Great Psychologist.

but we are by no means out of "therapy" yet -- none of you have "arrived."

you're mentally ill, still. i am, you are -- all of us are.
we are far better off, having begun the process of recovery, and we have a sure hope that it will be complete, but if anyone thinks they do not have a problem...


well you know what they say "admitting you have a problem is half the battle"

Brilliant post! I believe scripture teaches we still have the old nature until we are glorified at the resurrection, when everything that has already taken place as God views it is manifested and made a complete reality to us. If understood correctly, I believe this is what scripture in 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 teaches.

1 Corinthians 15:42-50 (KJV)

[SUP]42 [/SUP]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[Blain]

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I hate to be harsh,but the world is retarded,they are spiritually retarded.

Like someone in the physical realm that cannot comprehend to physical truths,and some people will say that person is retarded,the people that do not receive the things of the Spirit of God cannot comprehend to the spiritual truths.

I do not like to use the word retarded,but to illustrate the point,the world is retarded,they are spiritually retarded.

Firstly that word is offensive as many people have been called that growing up. I was called that all the time because I was in special education class people thought I was actually mentally ill like that personally I am not offended but others might and it might bring up wounds from past. second no the world is not mentally ill for not believing, it's not like believing in all all powerful all seeing all knowing invisible God is something that is easily grasped and understood especially so for those who grew up in a life where God is all but nowhere.

 

[Scriptureplz]

No one's perfect. My view is that along as we're doing our best, talking to God every day about what we can do to empower ourselves against the enemy, when and where we need to change and we put in that effort to follow through, then that's a great way to be.

Not to be saved, but because we are saved.....right?

 

[crossnote]

Firstly that word is offensive as many people have been called that growing up. I was called that all the time because I was in special education class people thought I was actually mentally ill like that personally I am not offended but others might and it might bring up wounds from past. second no the world is not mentally ill for not believing, it's not like believing in all all powerful all seeing all knowing invisible God is something that is easily grasped and understood especially so for those who grew up in a life where God is all but nowhere.

How about 'dead' to spiritual life?

 

[Demi777]

How about 'dead' to spiritual life?

I dont believe in mental illnesses.. so I must say that many in this world are mentally challenged. and or demonised..
but.. in Matthew 7:3 Jesus told us that whoever is poor in spirit shall inherit the kingdom of God Lets have faith lol

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

How about 'dead' to spiritual life?

I agree, as I would probably reserve the word retarded more for that which thinks its spiritual life

Like for some of the nutty stuff posted on the forum, people barking and mooing and stuff, its hard to call that intelligence.

 

[crossnote]

I dont believe in mental illnesses.. so I must say that many in this world are mentally challenged. and or demonised..
but.. in Matthew 7:3 Jesus told us that whoever is poor in spirit shall inherit the kingdom of God Lets have faith lol

Well, I will agree that much of what is called 'mentally ill, is, or at least finds it's source in the demonic realm.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Sadly when one says "I am still a work in progress" or " I still have mental issues" they think they are being humble but it's false humility. Either God is correct when He said by His stripes we ARE healed and that we are new creations in Christ or He was not. We can choose to accept we are who God says we are or we can continue to try and please the world with our false humility. We can not do both. I realize this is difficult as we don't "feel" like saints and we don't "think" we are no longer sinners but God says both. I have found when I feel or think differently than what God says I am one of us is wrong. Hint, it isn't God.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

David faked being nuts

1 Sam 21:13 [FONT=&quot]And he changed his behaviour before them, and feigned himself mad in their hands, and scrabbled on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle[/FONT][FONT=&quot] fall down upon his beard.

It might have looked retarded, but thats mad, that would be nuts wouldnt it? Not sure bout that word[/FONT]

 

[crossnote]

I dont believe in mental illnesses.. so I must say that many in this world are mentally challenged. and or demonised..
but.. in Matthew 7:3 Jesus told us that whoever is poor in spirit shall inherit the kingdom of God Lets have faith lol

I agree, as I would probably reserve the word retarded more for that which thinks its spiritual life

Like for some of the nutty stuff posted on the forum, people barking and mooing and stuff, its hard to call that intelligence.

I was thinking dead in this sense...

KJV Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

 

[Demi777]

Well, I will agree that much of what is called 'mentally ill, is, or at least finds it's source in the demonic realm.

Yep.. we can also say some people are not as evolved as others..

 

[crossnote]

Sadly when one says "I am still a work in progress" or " I still have mental issues" they think they are being humble but it's false humility. Either God is correct when He said by His stripes we ARE healed and that we are new creations in Christ or He was not. We can choose to accept we are who God says we are or we can continue to try and please the world with our false humility. We can not do both. I realize this is difficult as we don't "feel" like saints and we don't "think" we are no longer sinners but God says both. I have found when I feel or think differently than what God says I am one of us is wrong. Hint, it isn't God.

What if one says 'they are a work in progress' but not 'I have mental issues?' PBPWMGINFWMY

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I was thinking dead in this sense...

KJV Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

I think I was sort of thinking this

1 Ti 5:6 [FONT=&quot]But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

[/FONT]In the world, of it and lovin' it

 

[UnderGrace]

well that is your opinion But as the bible tells me I am anew creation in Christ Jesus and I have the mind of Christ.

In addition the bible tells me that God has not given me a spirit of fear but of Power, Love and a Health mind!. The word of God blesses the mind of those who hold to HIS word. the flesh has the issues but the Spirit knows the Mind of God; so have HIS Spirit and have HIS understanding that will bless you .

Amen and Amen!!! .... CS1

 

[crossnote]

Not to put words in Posthuman's mouth but I took his use of 'mental illness' in a metaphorical sense not literally which many seem to be taking it.
Maybe that's just a sign of my mental illness

 

[crossnote]

Re-looking at the Rom 12 passage ...

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
(Rom 12:2)

Conformed speaks of a change from the outside.(assuming an outward form)

Transformed, the change is from the inside. (metamorphose)

 

[Txroads]

I take a fence ta being told I have mental issues.... And I'm gonna sit on that fence, and crack my shelled nuts with a ice cold drink cause its 100 degrees here and watch the birds taken their feathers off to get into the bird bath and think about doing the same thing....but not all a us have mental issues..... It's like my bible... It just says things a different way....

 

[Txroads]

And now that I just read what I wrote........ Never you mind....