Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?

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kedge said:
I don't know about the death part or what folk mean about that?, although i have heard some say that the first man adam knew what death was because he may have observed plant life,animals, creatures dying, also adam may have observed spiders eating their prey and maybe even other creatures eating other creatures, so adam could have known what death was before sin. Maybe it is possible that the universe, the sun, stars, planets and their moons and of course planet earth itself is indeed very old?, maybe it is possible that plant life, man, animals are less than ten thousand years old?
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Death did not enter the world until man Man sinned.

Romans 5.12:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned

This is also why the Way to the Tree of life was guarded. God did not want man to live forever in SIN.

Gen 3.22

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”
 
JackH said:
Were you there?

That's a favorite question of you YEC propagandists and Ken Ham in particular.

Were you there for the global flood?
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No. But I see so much scientific evidence of it. I have faith it happened.
 
JackH said:
The beauty of the federal court decisions on the matters of which we speak is that YEC expert witnesses had to testify under oath and be cross-examined.

It's not like a forum like this where you YECs can run your mouths and ignore it whenever you are refuted and you keep on regurgitating all the same YEC talking points.

So YEC expert witnesses testified in federal court and what happened?

They got raked over the coals by judges who said they distorted evidence and misrepresented science.

I've scrutinized all the major federal court decisions on the matters of which we speak and I will be quoting from them sooner, or later.
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lol..The federal court have made alot of decisions that are bad. this means nothing.

I will stick to scripture.
 
GaryA said:
"Sorry, but you have mis-read the Strong's definition..."

You took your notion from:

"to exist; i.e. be or become, come to pass" ( "[to] be"; "[to] become"; "[to] come to pass" )

'to exist' is the main definition; the 'i.e.' part is descriptive of the "sense and tense" of the word 'exist'

back to the verse -- 'was' accentuates 'earth', not 'without form and void':

"And the earth was." ( existed - "to be" [ stand-alone ] )

or

"And the earth existed without form and void" / "And the earth was in existence without form and void"

"without form and void" is descriptive of how the earth was ( i.e. - the 'state' in which it existed; it does not indicate that it "changed states" )

The only proper way to interject "come to pass" into this would be:

"And [ it came to pass that ] the earth was."

It is not saying that the earth became "without form and void" - it is saying, in effect, that ( we would say, today ) "it already was":

"And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

'darkness' did not become ( as in, change ) "upon the face of the deep" -- "it already was" upon the face of the deep...

Both 'was' words came from the Hebrew word defined by Strong's 1961. ;)

:)
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You may be right, and it doesn't affect a persons salvation to believe or interpret it differently, but I think time elapsed between the verses. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (period). When was the beginning? It wasn't "day one"? I believe verse 2 is describing the world that then was (2 Peter 3:5-7). It was not originally created void or without form (Isaiah 45:18), but became toku (waste). Was is in italic type because no verb "to be" in Hebrew. This is why I believe the earth existed in eternity past, of which all multi-million year old fossils and remains belong (Jeremiah 4:23-28). Not all Christians believe in 3 world ages, the first destroyed via the rebellion and fall of Satan, the second of which we're in, and the third heavenly age yet to come. But imo, it makes sense and has biblical support.
 
crossnote said:
proves nada. There are 'christians' who deny the Jesus is God in the flesh.
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Are you trying to say christians who are scientists like myself are npt really christians? Because you have a long road to hoe to prove that one.
 
Dan58 said:
You may be right, and it doesn't affect a persons salvation to believe or interpret it differently, but I think time elapsed between the verses. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (period). When was the beginning? It wasn't "day one"? I believe verse 2 is describing the world that then was (2 Peter 3:5-7). It was not originally created void or without form (Isaiah 45:18), but became toku (waste). Was is in italic type because no verb "to be" in Hebrew. This is why I believe the earth existed in eternity past, of which all multi-million year old fossils and remains belong (Jeremiah 4:23-28). Not all Christians believe in 3 world ages, the first destroyed via the rebellion and fall of Satan, the second of which we're in, and the third heavenly age yet to come. But imo, it makes sense and has biblical support.
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Jeremiah 4 is not about earth! It is about Israel.

Fossils do not take millions/billions of years to form.

When Mount St. Helens erupted back in 80, and scientists were finally allowed entry, they found millions of new fossils.

They were made instantly due to the destruction and flood waters. Several layers of sediment were formed instantly at Mount St Helens. That is one of the single greatest evidences for the fossil record modern day science states takes billions of years to create.

I think CHristians miss the fact about the great flood, that it was a cataclysmic event. The fountains of the deep broke apart.

Ask yourself this: If what the Bible says about the Flood were true, what would we expect to see?

Fossil records in different layers of sediments? Yes.
 
To say the earth is only 6,000 yrs old is to deny reality. I question everything these people say
 
Dan58 said:
You may be right, and it doesn't affect a persons salvation to believe or interpret it differently, but I think time elapsed between the verses. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (period). When was the beginning? It wasn't "day one"? I believe verse 2 is describing the world that then was (2 Peter 3:5-7). It was not originally created void or without form (Isaiah 45:18), but became toku (waste). Was is in italic type because no verb "to be" in Hebrew. This is why I believe the earth existed in eternity past, of which all multi-million year old fossils and remains belong (Jeremiah 4:23-28). Not all Christians believe in 3 world ages, the first destroyed via the rebellion and fall of Satan, the second of which we're in, and the third heavenly age yet to come. But imo, it makes sense and has biblical support.
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Interesting take. i havent read much on gap theory but i will have to consider it.
 
JackH said:
True science is found in museums like the Smithsonian and Carnegie.

Pseudoscience is found at Dr. Dino's (Kent Hovind) Dinosaur Adventure Land (until it was shut down by the government when Dr. Dino went to prison) and Ken Ham's Creation Museum in Kentucky where he is now building Ham's Ark (full-size replica of Noah's original).

Oh, and Ham is now bragging he is going to rock the world and prove dinosaur bones are thousands as opposed to millions of years old.

Can't wait for that farce.
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Smithsonian right, the evolutionists waterboy and chalkboard. Can't wait to hear what bone fragment farce they'll pawn on us next.
 
Tankman131 said:
Absolutely. Im not a macroevolutionist.

it is a scientifically and philosophically lacking theory.
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Are you saying irreducible complexity is lacking or macroevolution is lacking? Are you a microevolutionist? I'm not being a smart alec.....I'm seeking info.
 
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