Most Christians I know say - 'well of course' they believe that God created the heavens and earth that really isn't the dilemma.
Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?
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Tintin
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yes it clearly indicates that the general meaning of yom is a period of time, this is apparent in many of its uses. its common use is a period of light.
but not to 24 hour days. It is questionable whether yom ever indicates a 24 hour day. In those days measurements of time were not measured. And as Genesis 1 (and Jesus) makes clear it does not include nights.
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JesusIsAll
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Everything in scripture is truth, the vast majority of which is clear as crystal to all those born of the Holy Spirit, with eyes to see and ears to hear the things of God. To others, scripture is just confusion, as unregenerates even agree on precious little, indeed, what is truth?
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I think the real problem is that YEC's have chosen a number rather than say 'we don't really know' by stating a number (6000) YEC's have set themselves up for a fall, it's the same when evolutionists say billions or millions of years. I'm done here I shall leave this thread/discussion to its own confusion.
God's truth is that God created this heaven and this earth, and made them suitable for man's dwellingplace. How long it actually took is a matter of opinion and interpretation and is not part of God's truth. There are too many imponderables once it is looked into.
Then why is there division amongst Christianity?, this question never get answered, YOU just like others just dance the merry jig around it and use circular reasoning.
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Tintin
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It's the uniformitarians that have pulled a number out of their bottoms, not biblical creationists. Biblical creationists are all about being reasonable, logical and consistent.
There are many interpretations of scripture, it's not just about how old the universe or earth is.
Young Earth Creationists interpret from the Bible that God created the heavens and earth and all life on earth in 144 hours, this has caused issues for other believers in God, it's the same with the teaching of the afterlife, hellfire etc.
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JesusIsAll
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Not at all, something I've commented on many times. ChristianChat is not a church congregation. Mainstream Reformed Christianity agrees on what would be a shocking amount of things to many here, never dispute a fraction of what you see disputed on the web, where it's a free-for-all of cults, tares, unbelievers and the like, all with a pulpit to spew lies.
There has been great agreement in the Christian community I was raised in and still know, which is not represented by the incessant disputing and terrible Bible exegesis going on here. Not by long shot, so you're wrong about that. The Spirit-filled Christian community I know has great harmony, are many, agree on and understand what many others don't here, in the Wild West that is not the church. Maybe your community is writhing in confusion, in which case you, and those of you claiming there's not truth Christians agree on, would do better to speak only for yourselves.
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Tintin
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Jesus Christ Himself is a freaking stumbling block on the road to belief. So what? Tough cookies. He's still the truth.
That i don't disagree with, that's not the issue i'm talking about, we know there are pockets of communities that segregate themselves from others and make their own beliefs based upon the Bible, it happens.
Of course there are groups of Christians who agree on their truths based upon the Bible, you are twisting things slightly or I have not explained properly ,but iI don't see how though, it's all clear and present.
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Of course he is, but what is the truth about his teachings?, it appears it is the different interpretations by Christians of his teachings that has caused division. Again I am done here, thanks for your time i shall leave you all in peace.
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Gr8grace
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Because there are different maturity levels.
For me I believe in the GAP. BUT, even if I didn't...........I have no biblical evidence as to how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden before the fall. We can only assume.
So for me personally, I won't dogmatically state how old the earth is. But, I believe science is catching up with the Bible.
But none of these things are really important to know about specifically. What is important is to know God the Father and what He is. and to know Jesus Christ as true God and true man and to recognise Him as Savior from sin.
Knowing there is an afterlife is important. Knowing about it is not important. Knowing that there is a place of final judgment is important. Knowing the details of it is unimportant. Knowing that God created all things is important. Knowing the details of how He did it is unimportant.
Worhipping God is important. How we choose to worship Him is unimportant (as long as we refrain from idolatry and images). Church leadership is important. Our particular brand of it is not important.
Knowing the Bible is God's word is important. But none of us truly understand it in depth even if we think we do. The older we get the more there is to learn. We are picking up the outskirts of His ways.
In America detailed second coming teaching is considered important. In the UK and in many other countries it is not considered important.
And so we could go on.
There is agreement on ESSENTIALS>
So you believe "yom" doesn't always literally mean a 24 hour period. It can be idiomatic. I don't necessarily disagree.
In any case, the specific word used in Gen 2:4, "bywm" (sorry, my Hebrew letters don't work on this computer) is used elsewhere when it seems to mean a specific period of 24 hours (Gen 5:1-2, 21:8, 33:16; Ex 6:28, 13:8; 16:30; Lev 24:8; Num 32:10; Deut 27:11; Jos 10:35; Judg 5:1, 20:24; 1 Sam 6:16; Ps 119:164, 136:8, 146:4; Is 17:11....and many more). The only time it seems to be part of an idiomatic expression is when talking about the "day of trouble" or the "day of the Lord" or something to the effect of trouble, battle or judgment. There is no indication that Gen 2:4 falls into those categories.
Does Mainstream Reformed Christianity fully support Young Earth Creationism?
What denominations do you say are part of Mainstream Reformed Christianity?
What denomination is your Christian community?
I agree with what kedge said and you disputed.