"Your heavenly Father." Matthew 6:26

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throughfaith said:
' Predestination ' ? I'm glad I'm predestined to glorification. Most believe they were predestinated to be converted. This is no comfort .
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lol and converted means what???

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
 
phil36 said:
lol and converted means what???

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
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We are conformed at the end not the beginning .Being predestined to be conformed ( Adoption ) is as from God's perspective as good as done .
 
But conformed does not mean adoption..

But again you missed the whole point of my post. Ordo Salutis my friend. Its all a transforming process.
 
I was once asking to hear Him say I LOVE YOU (this is the most precious thing in my life He has shown me) just as much. Well its sad but I felt as if Jewish people had their God and as some of them would say about Christians "thats MY God they have". So I wanted Him to just tell me I love you just as much. HAHA Hes God.. never said I love you just as much what He showed me was this tiny beautiful brown yet dark brown tree with tons.. so many branches all shaped like a "U".

This is what He said "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Look how He said I LOVE YOU just as much. In 59 years I have never looked at it like that. So what earthy father keeps reminding that adopted child that they love as if they were born of them...your adopted?

We have Gods people and Gods creation. Yeah there is no life that GOD didn't make. He made them. Its now where we are born or by whom its when we know Jesus as lord ALL have a new spirit. That new spirit is not from this world. Even in the OT after He freed them said When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. We do not see as HE does. He also said Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

He also said "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
See how does the Father see us? Through what Christ already did. The Father the great I am is faithful to what Christ did. We are right now in right standing with Him we are right now holy aka holiness. You did nothing to get that but your faith in what Christ said aka John 3:16. There are many men women of God that have written wonderful things but for me its whats written not what some man said or says. Faith moves God...Faith is the only way to please Him.

Not sure how some can talk the way they do when addressing others unless they truly know them. To be a child of the great I am.. not even angels can call Him Father
 
phil36 said:
But conformed does not mean adoption..

But again you missed the whole point of my post. Ordo Salutis my friend. Its all a transforming process.
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Yes that's the work, -around/ post hoc rationalization , that some teach . But 'Conformed 'is the redemption of the body .And that is the adoption.

1 John 3:2

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall !!! be like him ; for we shall see him as he is.”
 
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Romans 8:14‭-‬17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.8.14-17.ESV
 
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