“The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"

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So God took it out on the baby, instead of David? That's how you see it?
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I believe it was punishment for David yes. The baby died because of his actions. You cannot reason Gods ways by the logical mind.
I once heard a sermon where the minister gave the example of Hagar and Ishmael being banished from Abrahams home. The minister said we cannot reason God and his ways according to human understanding.
If we did we might as well be Muslims and criticise the bible for stating God told the Israelites to kill all the men, women and children in some places they captured. When the flood covered the earth babies would have died then, but God sent the flood
 
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I never said that....I think you are confusing the Old Testament with the Old Covenant. Many in the OT weren't under the OC. Abraham & David are the best examples:

5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.6 David says the same thing... Rom 4:5,6
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Scripture please to show many in OT tines were not under the old covenant. Abraham lived 400 years before the law was given. Please give scripture that states some who lived after sanai were not under the old covenant
 
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Jesus invoked what he termed the higher points of the law, mercy, justice and faithfulness.
And God said he would have mercy on whom he would have mercy
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Scripture please....?
 
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A Please give scripture that states some who lived after sanai were not under the old covenant
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5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.6 David says the same thing... Rom 4:5,6

Clearly David was after Sinai, but like Abraham he wasn't under law.
 
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Scripture please....?
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In the beatitudes Jesus said the higher points of the laws were, mercy, justice and faithfulness. According to you David was not under the old covenant/ the jurisdiction of the law and that is why God forgave him his sin with bathsheeba. Do you think the woman caught in adultery was forgiven for this reason too? Because she had been looking to the coming Christ?
Jesus showed mercy to her, that is one of the higher points of the law
 
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5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.6 David says the same thing... Rom 4:5,6

Clearly David was after Sinai, but like Abraham he wasn't under law.
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Lol that doesn't prove David was not under the old covenant
 
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If David wasn't under the old covenant he would have been exempt from offering sacrifices for sin
 
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I believe it was punishment for David yes. The baby died because of his actions. You cannot reason Gods ways by the logical mind.....
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David's at fault, not God. God didn't kill David's baby, He just didn't intervene and let nature take its course. Without God bad things happen. See Deut 31:17
 
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If David wasn't under the old covenant he would have been exempt from offering sacrifices for sin
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The OC isn't the sacrificial system. The OC has to do with the terms of the moral law (Ten Commandments), which are "obey & live", "disobey & die."

The sacrificial laws pointed to Christ and were a sign of faith for the OT Jews. Those ended when Christ died.
 
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David's at fault, not God. God didn't kill David's baby, He just didn't intervene and let nature take its course. Without God bad things happen. See Deut 31:17
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Nathan replied. The lord has taken away your sin . You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the lord show utter contempt the son born to you will die 2 samuel12:13&14


Please give scriptures asked for to support your beliefs
 
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The OC isn't the sacrificial system. The OC has to do with the terms of the moral law (Ten Commandments), which are "obey & live", "disobey & die."

The sacrificial laws pointed to Christ and were a sign of faith for the OT Jews. Those ended when Christ died.
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Once again, please support your beliefs with scripture, otherwise they are just opinions
 
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Nathan replied. The lord has taken away your sin . You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the lord show utter contempt the son born to you will die 2 samuel12:13&14


Please give scriptures asked for to support your beliefs
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Verse 15: "And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bore to David, and it became ill."
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Read the following:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ned-brimstone-fire-sodom-gomorrah-did-he.html

Why? Because it's the same principle at work.
 
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Once again, please support your beliefs with scripture, otherwise they are just opinions
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The law: Gal 3:10-25

The ceremonial/sacrificial law: Heb 10:1-10
 
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The law: Gal 3:10-25

The ceremonial/sacrificial law: Heb 10:1-10
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Again, please give me the scriptures that state sacrifices for sin were only concerning the ceremonial law.
And please give me the scriptures that state David was not under the old covenant/jurisdiction of the law
 
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Again, please give me the scriptures that state sacrifices for sin were only concerning the ceremonial law.
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Go read what I have given you. Go learn.

The law: Gal 3:10-25

The ceremonial/sacrificial law: Heb 10:1-10

BTW, you are now going to be put on the defense. Prove to me what you are stating. I too can play your game.
 
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Go read what I have given you. Go learn.

The law: Gal 3:10-25

The ceremonial/sacrificial law: Heb 10:1-10

BTW, you are now going to be put on the defense. Prove to me what you are stating. I too can play your game.
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I don't have to prove anything. You stated sacrifices for sin were only for breaking ceremonial laws. But you cannot provide any scripture to support that can you
 
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I don't have to prove anything.
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Well, there you go....You are infallible. Sorry to bother you.
You stated sacrifices for sin were only for breaking ceremonial laws. But you cannot provide any scripture to support that can you
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You are ignorant. I didn't say any such thing. Learn to read.
 
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