From Adam To Noah

[jaybird88]

I like history and anthropology, I think its fun linking old stories from other cultures to the bible, such as the flood and the nephilim. One thing that I cant understand is the age of mankind. the time between the creation of Adam till the flood. i have read several articles that calculate the generations and the numbers vary from about 1400 yrs up to 2000 years. lets say its 2k, that would mean mankind has been walking around for about 6500 years. seems like the time of Adam would have been much earlier than 4500 bc. Archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. These three areas also confirm each other. Is there anything in the bible that would suggest an age of man before Adam?
I believe the bible is right, science has tried to disprove the bible and has yet to do so but this is one area that baffles me. The bible is full of lessons inside the lessons, parables (how else could they squeeze so much knowledge into such a small book)and there is enough knowledge in them to answer all the questions of the cosmos.

 

[dcontroversal]

Take into account that the world that then was perished, being overflowed with water....the entire surface of the earth was changed, destroyed and remolded......a planet that had not seen freezing temps, massive rain storms etc. has been altered.....so...maybe the earth appears to be older than it really is which has led to an incorrect view put forth by archaeology, geology and supposed genealogies of ancient cultures so called......

Just a few point to ponder...!

 

[Tintin]

I like history and anthropology, I think its fun linking old stories from other cultures to the bible, such as the flood and the nephilim. One thing that I cant understand is the age of mankind. the time between the creation of Adam till the flood. i have read several articles that calculate the generations and the numbers vary from about 1400 yrs up to 2000 years. lets say its 2k, that would mean mankind has been walking around for about 6500 years. seems like the time of Adam would have been much earlier than 4500 bc. Archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. These three areas also confirm each other. Is there anything in the bible that would suggest an age of man before Adam?
I believe the bible is right, science has tried to disprove the bible and has yet to do so but this is one area that baffles me. The bible is full of lessons inside the lessons, parables (how else could they squeeze so much knowledge into such a small book)and there is enough knowledge in them to answer all the questions of the cosmos.

Remember that the best dating system we have is the Ancient Egyptian timeline and even that is out by up to 500 or so years (not that many are keen to admit it is and it's not likely it will be corrected). Then you have the evolutionary understanding that history is viewed through. We should look through the lens of the Bible. Adding up the genealogies (the most accurate in existence) etc. and other details within the Bible, we arrive at roughly 4,000 years prior to Christ's birth as a human baby. And around 1656 years from Creation to the Great Flood. Much of the ancient human artifacts etc. we find, that are believed to be from pre-historic man, would be from early human civilization from post-Flood period, either around the time of the tower of Babel or not long after the dispersal (100 or so years after the Flood). Then we have Abram arriving on the scene up to 300 years later.

 

[jaybird88]

Take into account that the world that then was perished, being overflowed with water....the entire surface of the earth was changed, destroyed and remolded......a planet that had not seen freezing temps, massive rain storms etc. has been altered.....so...maybe the earth appears to be older than it really is which has led to an incorrect view put forth by archaeology, geology and supposed genealogies of ancient cultures so called......

Just a few point to ponder...!

the flood was noted in the bible and confirmed by other historical text therefore the changes from flood would be taken into account and any earth changes wouldnt affect the solar cycles. those calculations would be the same then as now. I think lol. also all this is refering to the age of man and not the earth itself.

Remember that the best dating system we have is the Ancient Egyptian timeline and even that is out by up to 500 or so years (not that many are keen to admit it is and it's not likely it will be corrected). Then you have the evolutionary understanding that history is viewed through. We should look through the lens of the Bible. Adding up the genealogies (the most accurate in existence) etc. and other details within the Bible, we arrive at roughly 4,000 years prior to Christ's birth as a human baby. And around 1656 years from Creation to the Great Flood. Much of the ancient human artifacts etc. we find, that are believed to be from pre-historic man, would be from early human civilization from post-Flood period, either around the time of the tower of Babel or not long after the dispersal (100 or so years after the Flood). Then we have Abram arriving on the scene up to 300 years later.

yes, the bible leads us to believe Adam was around 4 - 4500 BC but the bible seems to be a stand alone on this as archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. i believe the Egyptian dynastic timeline goes back 9000 bc, maybe more.

 

[nogard]

Well since there is abundant evidence of glacial recession in the Midwest (USA) from an ice age that occurred more than 10,000 years ago, I'd say it's relatively safe to say that the earth is older than 6,500. Those genealogies should not be viewed so strictly. Some scholars think that the incredibly old age represents familial generations till the next noted descendant.

Here's some food for thought. One thing in common in just about every primitive culture is that no one knows how old they are. People didn't keep track of their age. We still see that today actually in some African nations. Yet we are to expect exact ages to be recorded since literally the beginning of mankind? Highly unlikely.

 

[Elin]

I like history and anthropology, I think its fun linking old stories from other cultures to the bible, such as the flood and the nephilim. One thing that I cant understand is the age of mankind. the time between the creation of Adam till the flood. i have read several articles that calculate the generations and the numbers vary from about 1400 yrs up to 2000 years. lets say its 2k, that would mean mankind has been walking around for about 6500 years. seems like the time of Adam would have been much earlier than 4500 bc. Archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. These three areas also confirm each other. Is there anything in the bible that would suggest an age of man before Adam? /quote]
To what genealogy of ancient cultures are you referring?

Dates in archaeology and geology are arrived at by chemical dating, which of necessity must be based on unproven assumptions.

Unproven assumptions of chemical dating are their basis for an old earth.

 

[Elin]

You may find the following helpful:

Age of the earth

 

[jaybird88]

Well since there is abundant evidence of glacial recession in the Midwest (USA) from an ice age that occurred more than 10,000 years ago, I'd say it's relatively safe to say that the earth is older than 6,500. Those genealogies should not be viewed so strictly. Some scholars think that the incredibly old age represents familial generations till the next noted descendant.

Here's some food for thought. One thing in common in just about every primitive culture is that no one knows how old they are. People didn't keep track of their age. We still see that today actually in some African nations. Yet we are to expect exact ages to be recorded since literally the beginning of mankind? Highly unlikely.

many ancient cultures around the world have accounts of this ice age which which syncs with what science says today. I am sure the earth is older than 6500 years, but i am trying to get answers on age of mankind.

You may find the following helpful:

Age of the earth

thanks for the link, lots of info on the planet but not much on mankind. this thread is about man, not earth.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

When God created new earth/an earthen vessel/Adam, this was a gift that God would not take away...but because of the motivation of the serpent...the new earth God created was no longer exactly what God created in making Adam. God also created time. I believe it has been somewhere around 6500 years since time existed for the new earth God created. It may be less...I don't know...but thank God it is ok to do well on the sabbath. 6001 would be the start of the seventh day? Or perhaps the third morning? Either way...

John 9 King James Version (KJV)

9*And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2*And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

3*Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

4*I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

5*As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

6*When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,

7*And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

 

[Tintin]

the flood was noted in the bible and confirmed by other historical text therefore the changes from flood would be taken into account and any earth changes wouldnt affect the solar cycles. those calculations would be the same then as now. I think lol. also all this is refering to the age of man and not the earth itself.




yes, the bible leads us to believe Adam was around 4 - 4500 BC but the bible seems to be a stand alone on this as archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. i believe the Egyptian dynastic timeline goes back 9000 bc, maybe more.

Did you even read what I said? The dating system is inaccurate and viewed through an evolutionary framework, of course it's not going to gel with the Bible. We should place God's Word above all else (His is the only history we can trust 100%) and view the world through His eyes, through the work of the Holy Spirit, by way of godly men. If the dates are inaccurate, maybe it's not the Bible timeline that needs to be changed?

For example, the history of the world is consistent, logical and complete when viewed from a biblical framework. Following the Great Flood, the world looked very different and great violence had been done to the landscape (most likely even continental shifts). There were more earthquakes and mountains and volcanoes and tsunamis etc. than previously. Many lives were lost during the Flood, both animal and human and we find dinosaur bones etc. Most of these fossils were a result of the world-wide Flood. Following the flood, the Ice Age occurred (maybe around the time of the tower of Babel and the dispersal). There was one Ice Age with many stages and it lasted a maximum of 500 or so years (so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived while it was going on in other parts of the world). This led to difficult conditions in those areas and some were only able to live to survive. Even now, we have some people living in caves, but that doesn't mean they're primitive and unintelligent. It's actually quite possible that our ancient ancestors were more intelligent than us.

 

[Elin]

I like history and anthropology, I think its fun linking old stories from other cultures to the bible, such as the flood and the nephilim. One thing that I cant understand is the age of mankind. the time between the creation of Adam till the flood. i have read several articles that calculate the generations and the numbers vary from about 1400 yrs up to 2000 years. lets say its 2k, that would mean mankind has been walking around for about 6500 years. seems like the time of Adam would have been much earlier than 4500 bc.
Archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date.
These three areas also confirm each other. Is there anything in the bible that would suggest an age of man before Adam?

You may find the following link helpful:

Age of the earth

thanks for the link, lots of info on the planet but not much on mankind. this thread is about man, not earth.

Yes, archaeology and geology are used in the dating of the planet, and vice versa, your first clue regarding accuracy.

So how far back do genealogies of ancient cultures take us?

 

[Tintin]

Yes, archaeology and geology are used in the dating of the planet, and vice versa, your first clue regarding accuracy.

So how far back do genealogies of ancient cultures take us?

The only consistent, logical and historically-based ancient genealogies can be found in the Bible.

 

[psalm6819]

I watch Answers in Genesis, they have a website, too. It's focus is empirical science. The more one learns of the sciences the more recognizable are the truths one sees in the Bible. It does not contradict science but most likley alludes to dimensions/properties/principles/materials ie., things we have limited knowledge or are still unaware of.

 

[Tintin]

I watch Answers in Genesis, they have a website, too. It's focus is empirical science. The more one learns of the sciences the more recognizable are the truths one sees in the Bible. It does not contradict science but most likley alludes to dimensions/properties/principles/materials ie., things we have limited knowledge or are still unaware of.

Yes, they have a lot of good articles and books. So do Creation Ministries International (and to a lesser extent, the Institute for Creation Research).

 

[jaybird88]

Remember that the best dating system we have is the Ancient Egyptian timeline and even that is out by up to 500 or so years (not that many are keen to admit it is and it's not likely it will be corrected). Then you have the evolutionary understanding that history is viewed through. We should look through the lens of the Bible. Adding up the genealogies (the most accurate in existence) etc. and other details within the Bible, we arrive at roughly 4,000 years prior to Christ's birth as a human baby. And around 1656 years from Creation to the Great Flood. Much of the ancient human artifacts etc. we find, that are believed to be from pre-historic man, would be from early human civilization from post-Flood period, either around the time of the tower of Babel or not long after the dispersal (100 or so years after the Flood). Then we have Abram arriving on the scene up to 300 years later.

Did you even read what I said? The dating system is inaccurate and viewed through an evolutionary framework, of course it's not going to gel with the Bible. We should place God's Word above all else (His is the only history we can trust 100%) and view the world through His eyes, through the work of the Holy Spirit, by way of godly men. If the dates are inaccurate, maybe it's not the Bible timeline that needs to be changed?

For example, the history of the world is consistent, logical and complete when viewed from a biblical framework. Following the Great Flood, the world looked very different and great violence had been done to the landscape (most likely even continental shifts). There were more earthquakes and mountains and volcanoes and tsunamis etc. than previously. Many lives were lost during the Flood, both animal and human and we find dinosaur bones etc. Most of these fossils were a result of the world-wide Flood. Following the flood, the Ice Age occurred (maybe around the time of the tower of Babel and the dispersal). There was one Ice Age with many stages and it lasted a maximum of 500 or so years (so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived while it was going on in other parts of the world). This led to difficult conditions in those areas and some were only able to live to survive. Even now, we have some people living in caves, but that doesn't mean they're primitive and unintelligent. It's actually quite possible that our ancient ancestors were more intelligent than us.

I read it and replied yesterday but i must have posted it somewhere else cause its not here. the Egyptian dynastic lines sync well with the bible, the only discrepancy is when you get to the time of adam the Egyptians keep going. im not out to disprove the bible i am looking for a better understanding of the pre flood world.

 

[Tintin]

I read it and replied yesterday but i must have posted it somewhere else cause its not here. the Egyptian dynastic lines sync well with the bible, the only discrepancy is when you get to the time of adam the Egyptians keep going. im not out to disprove the bible i am looking for a better understanding of the pre flood world.

Fair enough. I'm very interested in the pre-Flood period too but there's very little known about it (only what we can glean from the first 6 chapters of the Bible, and even that doesn't offer many details). Let's think about it. Around 1656 years of history are covered in those first six chapters of Genesis. We must remember that the Great Flood was world-wide, so unfortunately we're not going to find archaeological artifacts or anything from that time period.

 

[jaybird88]

Fair enough. I'm very interested in the pre-Flood period too but there's very little known about it (only what we can glean from the first 6 chapters of the Bible, and even that doesn't offer many details). Let's think about it. Around 1656 years of history are covered in those first six chapters of Genesis. We must remember that the Great Flood was world-wide, so unfortunately we're not going to find archaeological artifacts or anything from that time period.

the fact that we know so little of this time is what makes me so interested in it. we learn from our mistakes and if we could have a better understanding of why people were so evil in the times of Noah it could help us right the wrongs of today.
the bible is a book like no other book and one has to have so much spiritual knowledge to understand it. the world was flat, the sun orbits the earth, we used to think the bible taught these things but it was us that was wrong, not the bible.
the history that we knew for so many hundreds of years has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. civilizations are older, people are older, citys under water and pyramids are popping up everywhere. its crazy and i want to understand how this relates with what the bible teaches.

 

[Kerry]

Ya'll can't see the cross in this. Man Jesus was right. Having eyes to see they cannot see and ears to her cannot hear.

 

[Tintin]

the fact that we know so little of this time is what makes me so interested in it. we learn from our mistakes and if we could have a better understanding of why people were so evil in the times of Noah it could help us right the wrongs of today.
the bible is a book like no other book and one has to have so much spiritual knowledge to understand it. the world was flat, the sun orbits the earth, we used to think the bible taught these things but it was us that was wrong, not the bible.
the history that we knew for so many hundreds of years has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. civilizations are older, people are older, citys under water and pyramids are popping up everywhere. its crazy and i want to understand how this relates with what the bible teaches.

Do we really learn from our mistakes as humanity? I don't think so. Yes, the pre-Flood world is very interesting but I don't think understanding why people were so evil then is going to help us avoid such things in the future (except the obvious - to worship God alone and to fix our eyes on Him, instead of giving into every lust of the flesh).

The Bible actually doesn't teach that the world was flat, it was the pagans who believed that was the case and it was only in the last 200 years or so that atheists have pinned that belief on Christianity (when in the mainstream Church, it was never held as truth). The great irony is that the more we find out about the world in which we live, the more the world moves away from the one true God and interprets the data apart from Him (so we have more knowledge but do we have more wisdom and a great understanding of the truth? No).

Civilizations are actually younger than first believed, and yes, pyramids popping up all over the world are actually a testament to the reality of the Bible (the people groups going to the 'four corners of the earth' with the knowledge they had at the tower of Babel and creating their own cultures). Cities underwater are just that, the remains of different local floods throughout human history and there have been many of them. Yes, I want to know much about the pre-Flood world too, but like I said, I don't think we'll ever know, at least not this side of eternity.

 

[Jeff_56]

mankind is evil now as it was before the flood.

there are quite numerous 'artifacts'/ fossils/ evidences of the flood and things before the flood, but the 'world' / mankind/ society will not permit the truth to be published. not willingly. they publish lies, and call it truth. always have, always will, until yahshua returns.

the Jews have a very accurate history, dates and all, of the earth from creation to today. yahweh planned it that way. listen to him.