From Adam To Noah

[WebersHome]

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Galileo felt that religion and science are allies rather than enemies-- two
different languages telling the same story. Religion answers questions that
science cannot answer; while science answers questions that religion
doesn't care about.

Take for instance the creation of light. Genesis scarcely gives it passing
mention. But science tells me that the creation of light was a pretty big deal.

First God had to create particulate matter, and along with those particles
their specific properties, including mass. Then He had to invent laws to
govern how matter behaves in combination with and/or in the presence of,
other kinds of matter in order to generate photons. The same laws that
make it possible for matter to generate photons also make other conditions
possible too; e.g. thermodynamics, fusion, dark energy, gravity, atoms,
molecules, magnetism, radiation, high energy X-rays and gamma rays,
temperature, pressure, force, inertia, friction, and electricity; et al.

2Cor 4:6 verifies that light wasn't introduced into the cosmos from outside in
order to dispel the darkness and brighten things up a bit; but rather, it
radiated out of the cosmos from inside-- from itself --indicating that the
cosmos was created to be self-illuminating by means of the various
interactions of the matter that God made for it; including, but not limited to,
the Higgs Boson.

1Tim 6:20 commands Christ's followers to avoid "science— falsely so
called". However, not all science is false. Previous to what we might call the
modern era, many scientific ideas were theoretical and largely untested. And
therefore subsequently proven largely false. But that all began to change as
men begin making, not ideas, but discoveries; and discoveries are far more
reliable than untested ideas.

There are well-meaning folk who prefer to keep science out of the first
chapter of Genesis. I truly believe that is an error because though the
cosmos has a supernatural origin, it is not a supernatural cosmos; rather, it
is a very natural cosmos and the creation story makes better sense, at least
to me anyway, when it's approached from that angle.

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[Tintin]

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According to the January 2015 edition of National Geographic, there exists
human cave art and artifacts that date back 100,000 years.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all land animals on the
sixth day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other day did God
create land animals but the sixth. Some Christians suffer anxiety over
dinosaurs because paleontologists have easily dated them to cease existing
a good many thousands of years prior to the emergence of mammals; but
that's not really a problem if we but permit creation's days to be epochs of
indeterminate length rather than 24-hour calendar events.

According to Gen 6:14, Noah coated the inside and outside of the ark with a
material called bitumen; which is a naturally-occurring kind of asphalt
formed from the remains of ancient, microscopic algae (diatoms) and other
once-living things. In order for bitumen to be available in Noah's day, the
organisms from whence it was formed had to have existed on the earth
several thousands of years before him.

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And National Geographic, while a great magazine artistically, is rife with an evolutionary understanding. So, cave art from 100,000 years ago is no problem when they believe everything began 13.75 billion years ago. But from a biblical perspective, God's Word points to the world being a little over 6,000 years old. Also, the six days of Creation are just that 6 days. Otherwise, we're forcing evolutionary understanding into the text where it doesn't belong. If we can't be sure by what God means when He mentions the word 'yom' in Genesis, at the very beginning of the Bible, how can we be certain that we understand what God means in the rest of His Word? He's not the Author of confusion. The only place the word 'yom' is contested is in Genesis. Nowhere else. Nowhere. The Bible is written at a level that a child should be able to make sense of much of it, but in depth enough that we can study it for many lifetimes and still find new things within. We're meant to have faith like a child.

 

[Elin]

There are well-meaning folk who prefer to keep science out of the first
chapter of Genesis. I truly believe that is an error because though the
cosmos has a supernatural origin, it is not a supernatural cosmos; rather, it
is a very natural cosmos and the creation story makes better sense, at least
to me anyway, when it's approached from that angle.

True hard science does not need to be kept out of Genesis,

but soft science based on unproven assumptions has no business in Genesis.

 

[WebersHome]

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The Hebrew word translated "day" in the early parts of Genesis is yowm
(yome) which is an extremely ambiguous word. For example: at Gen 2:4
yowm indicates the entire creation endeavor from start to finish.

Another place in Genesis where yowm indicates a period of time longer than
a calendar day is when God warned Adam that in the day he ate the fruit; he
would die. Well; everybody knows Adam didn't drop dead within 24 hours of
tasting the fruit but continued to live for another 800 years after the birth of
his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

The trick is: Adam wasn't told he would die the instant he tasted the fruit.
God's exact words were "in the day" which is a special day that began the
moment he tasted the fruit.

That was a milestone in human history. Up till Adam tasted the fruit, the
only days on record were the six of creation, and the one when God ceased
creating. Adam inaugurated a new day by tasting the fruit-- death's day.

"Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this
way death came to all men" (Rom 5:12)

Well; like Jack Palance's character Curly in the movie City Slickers said: "the
day ain't over yet"

"It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of gaiety, for
death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this seriously." (Ecc
7:2)

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[Tintin]

I've read quite a few books and many articles concerning the use of 'yom' in Genesis. I'm not uninformed about this topic.

 

[jaybird88]

Adam was the first, and Jesus is the second Adam. And Esau had killed Nimrod, and the Hebrews were released around when the world was about 2450. So there is a lot of information out there, but you just got to seek them out.

thats why Esau sold his birthright so easily for a bowl of stew.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I like history and anthropology, I think its fun linking old stories from other cultures to the bible, such as the flood and the nephilim. One thing that I cant understand is the age of mankind. the time between the creation of Adam till the flood. i have read several articles that calculate the generations and the numbers vary from about 1400 yrs up to 2000 years. lets say its 2k, that would mean mankind has been walking around for about 6500 years. seems like the time of Adam would have been much earlier than 4500 bc. Archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. These three areas also confirm each other. Is there anything in the bible that would suggest an age of man before Adam?
I believe the bible is right, science has tried to disprove the bible and has yet to do so but this is one area that baffles me. The bible is full of lessons inside the lessons, parables (how else could they squeeze so much knowledge into such a small book)and there is enough knowledge in them to answer all the questions of the cosmos.

Do you know what makes a great wine? AGE.
One of Jesus miracles is He turned water into wine, and it wasn't just any wine, it was a great wine, AGED wine.
If our scientists today could travel back in time to that very day that Jesus turned water instantly to wine, and that scientist were to examine and test that wine to see how old it was, they would say "This wine is dated to be over a hundred years old" yet in reality it is but a few seconds old.
When God created ADAM and EVE and they were only minutes old, how old do you think they looked and appeared? mid-twenties maybe. Adam was created a full grown man, was he not? He would have been seconds old in reality but if a Doctor were to travel back in time to a minute after Adam was created a man, that doctor would verify, "This man is in his mid-twenties"
the Fish that Jesus made appear out of thin air, how old was each of the fish that miraculously appeared? They would have been seconds old, yet appeared to be full sized fish which they did eat.
If God were to appear in your room right this second, and create a rock instantly. And the very next day you take that rock to a scientist, i assure you with no doubts whatsoever that Scientist will tell you that that rock is a million years old. ITS A ROCK. Rocks according to our Earth physics takes thousands of years to be created. How can God create a rock that is not thousands of years old, its a rock. How can God create a full grown man that is not in His mid-twenties.
This generation does not understand simple Truths that the Scriptures reveals to us. The Earth was created in 7 days exactly as it is written it was. And when the Earth was created any scientist that would examine the ROCKS would claim this rock is a million years old. Just as a doctor examining Adam would say "This man is over twenty years old" Yet God just created him the day before.
You either believe the Word of God and what it teaches, or you don't.
a Christian who believes in the big bang theory or that we evolved from ooze, is not a Christian at all. True Christians believe the Word of God and what it teaches. Evolution is merely a teaching satan came up with to cause people to doubt the Word of God. If satan can cause people to doubt the creation story, and that it is not right, then that is the first step for the devil to convince that same person that other things in the Bible may not be right either. satan is good at what satan does, deception.

^i^

 

[4enlightment]

I can't find anywhere the Noah/Flood account that says that the older will serve the younger. That's from Genesis 25, the story of Jacob and Esau. Besides, it's Ham's son, Canaan, who is cursed by Noah, not Ham himself.

Noah and his wife had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth. The Bible states that Ham is the youngest and that that Shem is younger than Japheth. Therefore, Japheth is Noah's eldest son.

All through the scriptures, the eldest had served the younger, even Jesus was younger than Adam from a fleshly point of view. And what else that had came to my mind from reading Genesis is that it seem as if Ham had came from a different mother like the twelve son of Israel. In those times, the men could have as many wives that he can afford to take care of, or capable of taking care of. Probably Ham's mother was the descendant of Cain, because its says that only Japheth was the eldest of Shem, but it never had said nothing about Ham, maybe it was because Shem had came from the same mother as Japheth. But Ham mother probably was a concubine that Noah had set free later, when Ham has became an adult or she had died given birth to him. That could be the reason why Ham didn't have the same behavior as his other brothers. Ishmael had a rude behavior that he had inherited from his mother, and so Ham probably had inherited his behavior from his mother, a bond-woman or Noah's first wife.

 

[Tintin]

I can't find anywhere the Noah/Flood account that says that the older will serve the younger. That's from Genesis 25, the story of Jacob and Esau. Besides, it's Ham's son, Canaan, who is cursed by Noah, not Ham himself.

All through the scriptures, the eldest had served the younger, even Jesus was younger than Adam from a fleshly point of view. And what else that had came to my mind from reading Genesis is that it seem as if Ham had came from a different mother like the twelve son of Israel. In those times, the men could have as many wives that he can afford to take care of, or capable of taking care of. Probably Ham's mother was the descendant of Cain, because its says that only Japheth was the eldest of Shem, but it never had said nothing about Ham, maybe it was because Shem had came from the same mother as Japheth. But Ham mother probably was a concubine that Noah had set free later, when Ham has became an adult or she had died given birth to him. That could be the reason why Ham didn't have the same behavior as his other brothers. Ishmael had a rude behavior that he had inherited from his mother, and so Ham probably had inherited his behavior from his mother, a bond-woman or Noah's first wife.

That's an awful lot of speculation with no textual evidence whatsoever. Shem, Ham and Japheth all had the same mother and father.

 

[4enlightment]

That's an awful lot of speculation with no textual evidence whatsoever. Shem, Ham and Japheth all had the same mother and father.

Even in the book of Jasher doesn't mentioned Ham birth, and it just says that he was Noah's son, but it did mentioned the mother of Japheth and Shem, but it didn't included Ham. But here's a site that mentions somewhat like my theory, but they believed that Ham was the youngest. But I put into consideration about what was said that the old serving the young. I believe that God had covered that part of Noah's life, as the way He didn't mentioned whatever had happen to Ishmael and or Adam's daughters.

The bible does not specifically mention that Noah had two wives.


But, if we go by what is written from different sources, then it appears that he had two wives.


The first one gave birth to Seth and Japheth, and must have died.


The second one gave birth to Ham, making him the youngest, and she is the one who went on the boat with Noah.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/mother-of-ham/

 

[Tintin]

Even in the book of Jasher doesn't mentioned Ham birth, and it just says that he was Noah's son, but it did mentioned the mother of Japheth and Shem, but it didn't included Ham. But here's a site that mentions somewhat like my theory, but they believed that Ham was the youngest. But I put into consideration about what was said that the old serving the young. I believe that God had covered that part of Noah's life, as the way He didn't mentioned whatever had happen to Ishmael and or Adam's daughters.

The bible does not specifically mention that Noah had two wives.


But, if we go by what is written from different sources, then it appears that he had two wives.


The first one gave birth to Seth and Japheth, and must have died.


The second one gave birth to Ham, making him the youngest, and she is the one who went on the boat with Noah.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/mother-of-ham/

That's interesting and all, but the book of Jasher isn't part of the Word of God. It's not an inspired text, it's more Jewish speculation. Perhaps, more along the lines of Midrash.

 

[Elin]

And National Geographic, while a great magazine artistically, is rife with an evolutionary understanding. So, cave art from 100,000 years ago is no problem when they believe everything began 13.75 billion years ago. But from a biblical perspective, God's Word points to the world being a little over 6,000 years old. Also, the six days of Creation are just that 6 days. Otherwise, we're forcing evolutionary understanding into the text where it doesn't belong. If we can't be sure by what God means when He mentions the word 'yom' in Genesis, at the very beginning of the Bible, how can we be certain that we understand what God means in the rest of His Word? He's not the Author of confusion. The only place the word 'yom' is contested is in Genesis. Nowhere else. Nowhere. The Bible is written at a level that a child should be able to make sense of much of it, but in depth enough that we can study it for many lifetimes and still find new things within. We're meant to have faith like a child.

From Unsolved Mysteries of the World:

5. Aluminium Wedge of Aiud
The Aluminum Wedge of Aiud is an object supposedly found 2 kilometers to the east of the town of Aiud in Romania. Reportedly found in 1974 near the Mures River, those who claim to have found it said that it was buried under 35 feet of sand. Strangely the wedge-shaped object is supposedly made up of 12 different elements, and it considered something of anomaly as tests show that it may be older than the discovery of aluminum itself.


Interesting "anomaly". . .revealing the false assumptions on which the methods of "dating" are based.

 

[JackH]

From Unsolved Mysteries of the World:

5. Aluminium Wedge of Aiud
The Aluminum Wedge of Aiud is an object supposedly found 2 kilometers to the east of the town of Aiud in Romania. Reportedly found in 1974 near the Mures River, those who claim to have found it said that it was buried under 35 feet of sand. Strangely the wedge-shaped object is supposedly made up of 12 different elements, and it considered something of anomaly as tests show that it may be older than the discovery of aluminum itself.


Interesting "anomaly". . .revealing the false assumptions on which the methods of "dating" are based.

This is your "proof" that dating methods are based on false assumptions?

LOL.

ET phone home.

 

[4enlightment]

That's interesting and all, but the book of Jasher isn't part of the Word of God. It's not an inspired text, it's more Jewish speculation. Perhaps, more along the lines of Midrash.

Remember, in the book of Joshua, that something had happened and in the book it prophesied about that event that was going to come to pass; and so it was a sacred text of God. Certain prophets had kept records of events and prophecies; and as times go on, they added more things. And once they past on, before their passing, they'd handed over their logs to another that's a trust-worthy soul that will make sure that they will record the truth, that is why it is called the book of the upright, and which it means the book of the righteous ones. We all know Samuel diary, but we never found Gad's or Nathan's diary, and Gad was a seer just like Samuel. So there are many books out there that hasn't been found and or they just didn't included them in our composed Bible. It says that we must seek God's kingdom, and which Samuel, Nathan and Gad are apart of His kingdom and there is many more stones that were rejected, so we must find them and pt them back together.


Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

2 Samuel 1:18 and he ordered that the people of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar):

1 Chronicles 29:29 As for the events of King David’s reign, from beginning to end, they are written in the records of Samuel the seer, the records of Nathan the prophet and the records of Gad the seer,

 

[Elin]

This is your "proof" that dating methods are based on false assumptions?

LOL.

ET phone home.

Nope. . . . . .

 

[jaybird88]

Remember, in the book of Joshua, that something had happened and in the book it prophesied about that event that was going to come to pass; and so it was a sacred text of God. Certain prophets had kept records of events and prophecies; and as times go on, they added more things. And once they past on, before their passing, they'd handed over their logs to another that's a trust-worthy soul that will make sure that they will record the truth, that is why it is called the book of the upright, and which it means the book of the righteous ones. We all know Samuel diary, but we never found Gad's or Nathan's diary, and Gad was a seer just like Samuel. So there are many books out there that hasn't been found and or they just didn't included them in our composed Bible. It says that we must seek God's kingdom, and which Samuel, Nathan and Gad are apart of His kingdom and there is many more stones that were rejected, so we must find them and pt them back together.


Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

2 Samuel 1:18 and he ordered that the people of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar):

1 Chronicles 29:29 As for the events of King David’s reign, from beginning to end, they are written in the records of Samuel the seer, the records of Nathan the prophet and the records of Gad the seer,

Joshua apparently thought this book was very holy. Joshua was also one of those people that the Almighty spoke to personally. i guess some think Joshua was confused when he made that reference.
Joshua Hebrew meaning - The Lord is my salvation. what a powerful name!

 

[Tintin]

I don't think Joshua was mistaken, I just don't believe that if the Bible references another book or something that the other is inspired like the Word of God. The Bible references Greek gods sometimes and many OT gods and goddesses but that doesn't mean they're holy.

 

[jaybird88]

I don't think Joshua was mistaken, I just don't believe that if the Bible references another book or something that the other is inspired like the Word of God. The Bible references Greek gods sometimes and many OT gods and goddesses but that doesn't mean they're holy.

Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

"as it is written in the Book of Jashar "
Greek gods may be mentioned as well but never are they used in context to confirm the authenticity of a passage like above.
Jasher is a good tool to confirm and get extra information, its not just a bunch of fairy tales.

 

[Angela53510]

the flood was noted in the bible and confirmed by other historical text therefore the changes from flood would be taken into account and any earth changes wouldnt affect the solar cycles. those calculations would be the same then as now. I think lol. also all this is refering to the age of man and not the earth itself.


yes, the bible leads us to believe Adam was around 4 - 4500 BC but the bible seems to be a stand alone on this as archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. i believe the Egyptian dynastic timeline goes back 9000 bc, maybe more.

You claim to know something about history, and then make this gross error about the Egyptian dynasties.

You are 6000 years off concerning the start of the Egyptian dynasties!! The Old Kingdom was united around 3000 BC, which became the first dynasty. The Middle Kingdom started around 2055 with the 11th dynasty, and the New Kingdom started with the 18th dynasty, around 1650 BC.

If you know so little about Egyptian history, what are you missing about archaeology and geology that you base these uninformed decisions on?

Personally, I believe in a young earth, but not 4000 BC. It is surmised that some of the genealogies in the Bible represent father to grandson or more, leaving several thousand years more from creation to the present.

Actually, geology and geography are very solidly behind a young earth. Have you ever heard of Surtsey? It is a volcanic island off the coast of Iceland. The eruption lasted until June 1967, and since then the Island has been eroded by wave action, causing the size to diminish from 2.7 km2 to 1.4 km2 in 2002.

This follows the predicted pattern for rapid change in the natural environment! Rocks were turned into pebbles within months, although evolution says hundreds of years for such a change.

The Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980 also shows evidence for a catastrophic and rapid change of the environment. Earthquakes, hurricanes, floods and most geological processes also make incredible changes in the landscape in brief moments. This fits the model of creation, not long earth evolution.

As far as archaeology, the evidence backs a short earth. Written language sprang up at nearly the same time in numerous early civilizations around 3400 to 3200 BC in Mesopotamia and Egypt. Other cultural things sprang into being at nearly the same time, suggesting a common origin.

My suggestion is you study some history, some archaeology, and some geology from a creation point of view, and you will see that they all fit the pattern for a young earth far better than the evolution model, which only seeks to find a long earth age to justify evolution, a paradigm for which the evidence is forged, lied about and pushed by doctrinaire scientists seeking to prove their world view.

 

[Kerry]

Hmmm then why didn't the Holy Spirit preserve these books?