From Adam To Noah

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Tintin

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Ya'll can't see the cross in this. Man Jesus was right. Having eyes to see they cannot see and ears to her cannot hear.
Kerry, brother. Jesus' suffering, death and resurrection is central to God's Word and to the Christian faith, but it's perfectly okay to discuss other aspects of the Bible. Beneficial even.
 

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It's up to you all...but I have not found any contradictions to the Bible in the writings of Enoch...and they do shed light on much of the pre flood tkme period.
 
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I like history and anthropology, I think its fun linking old stories from other cultures to the bible, such as the flood and the nephilim. One thing that I cant understand is the age of mankind. the time between the creation of Adam till the flood. i have read several articles that calculate the generations and the numbers vary from about 1400 yrs up to 2000 years. lets say its 2k, that would mean mankind has been walking around for about 6500 years. seems like the time of Adam would have been much earlier than 4500 bc. Archaeology, geology, and genealogy of ancient cultures point to a much older date. These three areas also confirm each other. Is there anything in the bible that would suggest an age of man before Adam?
I believe the bible is right, science has tried to disprove the bible and has yet to do so but this is one area that baffles me. The bible is full of lessons inside the lessons, parables (how else could they squeeze so much knowledge into such a small book)and there is enough knowledge in them to answer all the questions of the cosmos.
Adam was the first, and Jesus is the second Adam. And Esau had killed Nimrod, and the Hebrews were released around when the world was about 2450. So there is a lot of information out there, but you just got to seek them out.
 
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Adam was the first, and Jesus is the second Adam. And Esau had killed Nimrod, and the Hebrews were released around when the world was about 2450. So there is a lot of information out there, but you just got to seek them out.
Yes, Adam was the first, but Jesus Christ was the last Adam. Also, Esau didn't kill Nimrod, but it's very likely that Gilgamesh was a mythologized version of Nimrod.
 
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Yes, Adam was the first, but Jesus Christ was the last Adam. Also, Esau didn't kill Nimrod, but it's very likely that Gilgamesh was a mythologized version of Nimrod.
I watched a documentary about the pyramids, and one of the pyramid was designed to keep water from coming into it, but the vents were angle downwards, so in case of a flood, the water will rise upward and pushes more air in the chambers but prevent the water from coming into the chambers of the pyramid. And in one of the books that they have found said this:

Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

And so they were trying to protect themselves from God's wrath and which that had offended God.

The Hebrews had branched from the Mesopotamian and became wanderers that lived on the borders of the cities, like roaming Gypsies, a nomadic tribe, a people without a nation. The Mesopotamian had written their own made up history, but God had told Moses to write down what really happened, keeping the truth about history in the world.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 27:1 And Esau at that time, after the death of Abraham, frequently went in the field to hunt.
2 And Nimrod king of Babel, the same was Amraphel, also frequently went with his mighty men to hunt in the field, and to walk about with his men in the cool of the day.
3 And Nimrod was observing Esau all the days, for a jealousy was formed in the heart of Nimrod against Esau all the days.
4 And on a certain day Esau went in the field to hunt, and he found Nimrod walking in the wilderness with his two men.
5 And all his mighty men and his people were with him in the wilderness, but they removed at a distance from him, and they went from him in different directions to hunt, and Esau concealed himself for Nimrod, and he lurked for him in the wilderness.
6 And Nimrod and his men that were with him did not know him, and Nimrod and his men frequently walked about in the field at the cool of the day, and to know where his men were hunting in the field.
7 And Nimrod and two of his men that were with him came to the place where they were, when Esau started suddenly from his lurking place, and drew his sword, and hastened and ran to Nimrod and cut off his head.

Jasher [E] [H]

(upright ),Book of ("the book of the upright" ), alluded to in two passages only of the Old Testament. ( Joshua 10:13 ) and 2Sam 1:18 It was probably written in verse; and it has been conjectured that it was a collection of ancient records of honored men or noble deeds. It is wholly lost.

Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
 
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And Nimrod had came from the generation that the life expectancy were about 900 years old, they were considered during the time of Moses as the mighty men because of their life expectancy and other things that Moses generation wasn't able to do. but they had all died off.
 
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And Nimrod had came from the generation that the life expectancy were about 900 years old, they were considered during the time of Moses as the mighty men because of their life expectancy and other things that Moses generation wasn't able to do. but they had all died off.
Yes, people around Nimrod's time lived for many, many years, but not anywhere near as long as those people prior to the Great Flood. Even Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah's sons, lived for a shorter time than did Noah (and presumably his wife).
 
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Yes, people around Nimrod's time lived for many, many years, but not anywhere near as long as those people prior to the Great Flood. Even Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah's sons, lived for a shorter time than did Noah (and presumably his wife).
Nimrod only had lived until he were about 300 or more since he was killed, and Ham probably was killed as well; Ham was the oldest son and Shem was the youngest, and so someone like Nimrod was floating around, wanting to be the best, probably has killed them as well. During the time of Moses, their Holy scriptures at the time was the book of Jasher and which in the book of Joshua had determine that they had read.

Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 
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Tintin

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Nimrod only had lived until he were about 300 or more since he was killed, and Ham probably was killed as well; Ham was the oldest son and Shem was the youngest, and so someone like Nimrod was floating around, wanting to be the best, probably has killed them as well. During the time of Moses, they Holy scriptures at the time was the book of Jasher and which in the book of Joshua had determine that they had read.

Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
The Bible indicates that Japheth was the eldest of Noah's sons, then Shem and Ham was the youngest of the three.
 
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The Bible indicates that Japheth was the eldest of Noah's sons, then Shem and Ham was the youngest of the three.
I'm just going by that phrase that says," the older shall serve the youngest", and which Ham was curse that one day, his generation will become servants to his brother's.
 
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The Bible indicates that Japheth was the eldest of Noah's sons, then Shem and Ham was the youngest of the three.
But it doesn't actually said who was the oldest out of Ham and Japheth, it just stated that Shem is younger than Japheth.
 
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I'm just going by that phrase that says," the older shall serve the youngest", and which Ham was curse that one day, his generation will become servants to his brother's.
I can't find anywhere the Noah/Flood account that says that the older will serve the younger. That's from Genesis 25, the story of Jacob and Esau. Besides, it's Ham's son, Canaan, who is cursed by Noah, not Ham himself.
 
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But it doesn't actually said who was the oldest out of Ham and Japheth, it just stated that Shem is younger than Japheth.
Noah and his wife had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth. The Bible states that Ham is the youngest and that that Shem is younger than Japheth. Therefore, Japheth is Noah's eldest son.
 
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the fact that we know so little of this time is what makes me so interested in it. we learn from our mistakes and if we could have a better understanding of why people were so evil in the times of Noah it could help us right the wrongs of today.
the bible is a book like no other book and one has to have so much spiritual knowledge to understand it. the world was flat,
the sun orbits the earth, we used to think the bible taught these things but it was us that was wrong, not the bible.
Actually, the Bible refers to the circuit of the sun in Ps 19:4-6, also see Ps 104:19; Ecc 1:5.

You might find these two videos interesting.
Both are excellent, neither is light weight.

The first one is pure science, while
the second one starts off with the astronauts landing on the moon and then moves to the topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnLYIbpNst4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI849i1RYG8
 
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It's up to you all...but I have not found any contradictions to the Bible in the writings of Enoch...and they do shed light on much of the pre flood tkme period.
It isn't in the Canon for a reason.
 
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I watched a documentary about the pyramids, and one of the pyramid was designed to keep water from coming into it, but the vents were angle downwards, so in case of a flood, the water will rise upward and pushes more air in the chambers but prevent the water from coming into the chambers of the pyramid. And in one of the books that they have found said this:

Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

And so they were trying to protect themselves from God's wrath and which that had offended God.

The Hebrews had branched from the Mesopotamian and
became wanderers that lived on the borders of the cities,
like roaming Gypsies, a nomadic tribe, a people without a nation
.
Jewish history (the Bible) records it differently.

The Ark that went before them found their place to rest (Nu 10:33), and the cloud
over the ark directed them where to camp and when to break camp (Nu 9:15-23, cf Ex 40:36-38).
They didn't move until the cloud moved.

They did not move aimlessly in the wilderness, their paths were directed by God (Nu 9:23)
whose presence they acknowledged in the tabernacle (Pr 3:6; cf Ps 73:24, 48:14; Ro 8:14)

The Mesopotamian had written their own made up history, but God had told Moses to write down what really happened, keeping the truth about history in the world.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 27:1 And Esau at that time, after the death of Abraham, frequently went in the field to hunt.
2 And Nimrod king of Babel, the same was Amraphel, also frequently went with his mighty men to hunt in the field, and to walk about with his men in the cool of the day.
3 And Nimrod was observing Esau all the days, for a jealousy was formed in the heart of Nimrod against Esau all the days.
4 And on a certain day Esau went in the field to hunt, and he found Nimrod walking in the wilderness with his two men.
5 And all his mighty men and his people were with him in the wilderness, but they removed at a distance from him, and they went from him in different directions to hunt, and Esau concealed himself for Nimrod, and he lurked for him in the wilderness.
6 And Nimrod and his men that were with him did not know him, and Nimrod and his men frequently walked about in the field at the cool of the day, and to know where his men were hunting in the field.
7 And Nimrod and two of his men that were with him came to the place where they were, when Esau started suddenly from his lurking place, and drew his sword, and hastened and ran to Nimrod and cut off his head.

Jasher[E][H]

(upright ),Book of ("the book of the upright" ), alluded to in two passages only of the Old Testament. ( Joshua 10:13 ) and 2Sam 1:18 It was probably written in verse; and it has been conjectured that it was a collection of ancient records of honored men or noble deeds. It is wholly lost.

Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
 

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According to the January 2015 edition of National Geographic, there exists
human cave art and artifacts that date back 100,000 years.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all land animals on the
sixth day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other day did God
create land animals but the sixth. Some Christians suffer anxiety over
dinosaurs because paleontologists have easily dated them to cease existing
a good many thousands of years prior to the emergence of mammals; but
that's not really a problem if we but permit creation's days to be epochs of
indeterminate length rather than 24-hour calendar events.

According to Gen 6:14, Noah coated the inside and outside of the ark with a
material called bitumen; which is a naturally-occurring kind of asphalt
formed from the remains of ancient, microscopic algae (diatoms) and other
once-living things. In order for bitumen to be available in Noah's day, the
organisms from whence it was formed had to have existed on the earth
several thousands of years before him.

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According to the January 2015 edition of National Geographic, there exists
human cave art and
artifacts that date back 100,000 years.
Based on the unproven assumptions on which dating is based today.

According to Gen 6:14, Noah coated the inside and outside of the ark with a
material called bitumen; which is a naturally-occurring kind of asphalt
formed from the remains of ancient, microscopic algae (diatoms) and other
once-living things.
In order for bitumen to be available in Noah's day, the
organisms from whence it was formed had to have existed on the earth
several thousands of years before him.
That assumes the same conditions as today.

I'm thinkin' 1600 years is long enough for pitch to form when there wasn't even any rain yet,
and everything was covered with a heavy mist for 1600 years.
 
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Elin said:
Actually, the Bible refers to the circuit of the sun in Ps 19:4-6, also see Ps 104:19; Ecc 1:5.

You might find these two videos interesting.
Both are excellent, neither is light weight.

The first one is pure science, while
the second one starts off with the astronauts landing on the moon and then moves to the topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnLYIbpNst4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI849i1RYG8
The jest of the two videos are? If possible?
The science of egocentricity, and it is a science.

Since all measurements of the universe are relative to the point of reference,
all empirical measurements used to show the sun as the center of the universe also work
to show the earth as the center of the universe.

Scientists have just chosen the Copernican model for interpretation of their meausrements
instead of the revelatory model.

There's even a motion graphic in the first one showing what the path of the sun and our moon
would be in relation to a stationary earth.

The appearance is the same as in relation to a rotating revolving earth.

It is science that cannot be ignored, any more than the origin of matter/energy can be ignored.
 
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