Deceived by Many False Christs

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Mat 24: [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Jesus tells us that everything He reveals in the Olivet Discourse (Mat 24: 4-31) happens to one generation, the generation of the fig tree. For those who believe, as I do, we could be in this generation. The first thing that Jesus mentions is the above deception of many claiming to be Christ. We are told that they deceive many. So, what can we learn from this?

1) There will be an event where many will come in Christ's name claiming to be Christ. The first rule of understanding prophesy is to check to see if it has already been fulfilled. I can find no historical event where masses of entities arrive claiming to be Christ at the same time. It would take a major conspiracy of well planning for a large group of people to go out claiming to be Christ at the same time. Let's say that millions went out knocking on doors claiming to be Christ and told the person who answered to follow them. Most would think they were looking at a nut job and slam the door. So, it has to be more than that, and it is.

Mat 24:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive... So we see that those claiming to be Christ also perform miracles to aid in their credibility. Normal people cannot do this, but angels or demons can. As crazy as it sounds, do we have any prophesy of demonic angels coming to earth? Turns out we do. Not only are we told Satan and his angels are cast out, a warning is given to those who dwell on earth.

Rev 12: [SUP]9 [/SUP]So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]...Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”


We see that Satan and his angels will be permanently thrown out of heaven and that they come to earth. Satan has great wrath and logic would tell us, so do his demons. So, what do they do with this great wrath and why do earth's inhabitants have to fear?

Rev 12: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

They make war with the Woman's (which is Israel) offspring. Those who keep God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus can only be Christians. So Revelation 12 is telling us that Satan and his demons come to earth and wage war with Christians.

2) That many will be deceived. To believe Christ has come, you must first believe in Christ. If you believe in Christ, you are a Christian (perhaps very lukewarm but you still believe). If one doesn't believe in the existence of Christ, can one really be deceived by someone claiming to be Christ? Probably not.

Jesus further warns us that we will be approached by false christs and prophets.

Mat 24: [SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it...[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

We are specifically told to not go out, not to follow them and not to look where they want us to look. Again, many don't heed this warning and they are deceived, they go. It should be obvious that nothing good can come of being deceived and going after a false christ. I don't know where they go or what happens to them, but it appears they are killed in vast numbers. While we are short on details, we do know where they end up.

Rev 7: “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”[SUP] 14 [/SUP]And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation..."

So a whole lot of deceived Christians end up in heaven in a short period of time. John reveals something else about them in the next Chapter. He give us an idea of how many are killed.

Rev 8: [SUP]7 [/SUP]The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

If you know your OT symbols you know that "grass" is symbolic of regular people while "trees" are symbolic of leaders. If you add "Green" we know they are spiritually alive or saved. So at the first trumpet (which corresponds with the first sign Jesus gives in the Olivet) we see that all "common" Christians are killed along with one third of all wise Christians. They are deceived and God allows them to be killed because they lack the scriptural knowledge that would have saved them.

Jesus reminds us of one thing that if we remember, we would never be fooled by miracle performing false christs.

Mat 24: [SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Just remember that when Jesus comes, He comes as fast as lightening. He doesn't announce it or ring your doorbell or appear to you some other way. I know this all sounds fantastic and that many who read this will think I'm off my rocker, but trust me, crazy things will take place in the end times. It will be like the days of Noah and like the days of Lot. During those days people were going after "strange flesh" which were angels. Bad angels or demons used to walk the earth and interact with humans. It happened before and it WILL happen again.

Jude: [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; [SUP]7 [/SUP]as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


Earlier this week, I received an impression of immense pending evil that is coming soon. It was just a general feeling with nothing specific. I often get such feelings about big events before they happen but never know what it means until the big events happen (World Trade Center, Katrina, Paris attacks, etc). This was as strong a feeling as I ever had and when I had it, what I am discussing came to mind. I hope this reminder blesses those who read it and that we remember what Christ taught so that we don't end up ashamed in heaven as part of the Great Multitude.
 

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Christ: anointed. MEn will come claiming to be 'anointed.' Self exalted men, clerics, claiming to be called of God to 'lord it over His heritage.' See Diotrephes, 3 John and Matt.20. As soon as an individual exalts himself, the Spirit is quenched. Can't be two heads you see. Christ is shoved out of the way. He gives to man what he wants.....for a season.

God put up with this mutiny for centuries but now calls these men to repentance, allowing the Captain to have His ship back.

Many claiming specialness and the anointing to be boss which is bogus at best, demonic at worse.
 

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Christ: anointed. MEn will come claiming to be 'anointed.' Self exalted men, clerics, claiming to be called of God to 'lord it over His heritage.' See Diotrephes, 3 John and Matt.20. As soon as an individual exalts himself, the Spirit is quenched. Can't be two heads you see. Christ is shoved out of the way. He gives to man what he wants.....for a season.

God put up with this mutiny for centuries but now calls these men to repentance, allowing the Captain to have His ship back.

Many claiming specialness and the anointing to be boss which is bogus at best, demonic at worse.
While what you said may very well be true also, it isn't what the text means. The text clearly says that many are going to claim to be coming in his name actually claiming to be the Christ. They say, "I am the Christ." That's a lot more severe and concrete compared to what you are saying.

Further, Jesus says:

Mat 24: [SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

The above is a very concrete statement. This means this one generation will see ALL THESE THINGS, including the false Christs. Therefore this isn't a slow process over generations and hundreds of years. This is a singular event involving multiple beings claiming to be christ.
 
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Christ: anointed. MEn will come claiming to be 'anointed.' Self exalted men, clerics, claiming to be called of God to 'lord it over His heritage.' See Diotrephes, 3 John and Matt.20. As soon as an individual exalts himself, the Spirit is quenched. Can't be two heads you see. Christ is shoved out of the way. He gives to man what he wants.....for a season.

God put up with this mutiny for centuries but now calls these men to repentance, allowing the Captain to have His ship back.

Many claiming specialness and the anointing to be boss which is bogus at best, demonic at worse.
I believe in Diotrepehes' case he sought the preeminence that belonged to Christ, but seemed more like anti Christ, but moreso by way of seeking the place of Christ (among them). Because doesnt "anti" (as it pertains to Christ) mean also in the place of (not just always against?) whereas Diotrephes loving that place and "being against them" and putting out of the church seems more like a he that is (or is not) against you (is on our part) as a whole also (in that picture). But he seemed more anti Christ in those ways.

Because being anointed is scriptural 2 Cr 1:21 although it seems (and someone correct me if Im wrong) because Im not the word expert but one seemed to be used as an adjective and the other as a verb, but even if that be the case, taking that place belong to Christ over others (or the exalting oneself to that place) seems to be quite the temptation.
 
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I believe in Diotrepehes' case he sought the preeminence that belonged to Christ, but seemed more like anti Christ, but moreso by way of seeking the place of Christ (among them). Because doesnt "anti" (as it pertains to Christ) mean also in the place of (not just always against?) whereas Diotrephes loving that place and "being against them" and putting out of the church seems more like a he that is (or is not) against you (is on our part) as a whole also (in that picture). But he seemed more anti Christ in those ways.

Because being anointed is scriptural 2 Cr 1:21 although it seemst (and someone correct me if Im wrong) because Im not the word expert but one seemed to be used as an adjective and the other as a verb, but even if that be the case, taking that place belong to Christ over others (or the exalting oneself to that place) seems to be quite the temptation.
The word is clear in Matt.20.....'it shall not be so among you'...is 100 percent ignored by the 'church', among other commands.
 
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The word is clear in Matt.20.....'it shall not be so among you'...is 100 percent ignored by the 'church', among other commands.
Yeah, Paul acknowledges the dominion thing here also

2 Cr 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

Then Paul writes Tim on how he should behave himself in the house of God

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Whereas John also writes unto the church here, but Diotrephes just wasnt hearing it

3John 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

No receiving the apostles words on this, he is loving first place here, not giving it up to Christ, to whom it belongs

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And again,

but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

Even when Christ said, he that receieveth you recieveth me and he that receiveth me receiveth him who sent me

3John 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

Loves to be first, speaks maliciously against the apostles and doesnt receive the brethren, very domineering

Peter also says,

1 Peter 5:3 Neither as being lords over [God's] heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

He seemed to be behaving as an absolute master that way contray to Christ's teaching.
 

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You guys are missing the point. We aren't discussing a few lone nut jobs over the years who came and claimed to be Christ. That isn't what Jesus was discussing. Instead, we are told that many false Jesus' show up at the same time and that they go out and deceive many. While Jesus doesn't give us the number, we know from Rev 7 that a great multitude are killed by this deception.
 
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I didnt think I was talking about a few lone nut jobs that claimed to be Christ, just one and how something similar in "anti" Christ could be seen is using "substitute for"

I didnt read the OP either sorry (thats my fault) I just jumped in off of Yet
 

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I didnt think I was talking about a few lone nut jobs that claimed to be Christ, just one and how something similar in "anti" Christ could be seen is using "substitute for"

I didnt read the OP either sorry (thats my fault) I just jumped in off of Yet
That's okay. I often do the same - skip ahead. Yes, there will be one Man of Sin who claims to be above all. But Jesus tells us that there will be many false christs and prophets who deceive many. We also know that they come in the end times, appearing to one generation. To be honest, until recently, I never saw it the way I am seeing it now.

Jesus is discussing a massive deception that Satan will use to deceive (and presumably kill) massive Christians on a global and unbelievable scale. As incredible and unreal as it sounds, I do now think this is the message.
 
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Christ: anointed. MEn will come claiming to be 'anointed.' Self exalted men, clerics, claiming to be called of God to 'lord it over His heritage.' See Diotrephes, 3 John and Matt.20. As soon as an individual exalts himself, the Spirit is quenched. Can't be two heads you see. Christ is shoved out of the way. He gives to man what he wants.....for a season.

God put up with this mutiny for centuries but now calls these men to repentance, allowing the Captain to have His ship back.

Many claiming specialness and the anointing to be boss which is bogus at best, demonic at worse.
So, what you're essentially saying here is the anointed must care for, and tend to their anointing as it is given. hmmmm, I see no conflict there. After all, can the anointing be removed while leaving the gift un-revoked? I like rhetorical questions, they're so high society.
 
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You guys are missing the point. We aren't discussing a few lone nut jobs over the years who came and claimed to be Christ. That isn't what Jesus was discussing. Instead, we are told that many false Jesus' show up at the same time and that they go out and deceive many. While Jesus doesn't give us the number, we know from Rev 7 that a great multitude are killed by this deception.
Squirrel! Yep, i missed it. IMO, knowing end time prophecy and eschatology are the sure fire remedy for avoiding the deception. People perish for a lack of knowledge.
 

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Mat 24: [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
This is so true
 
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Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

This is the last generation before Jesus comes back,that will be so obsessed with money,and material things,to exalt themselves,that they will not care about the poor,and needy.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement,that has an interpretation of the Bible based on the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement will become so popular,and will unify the religions,with fundamental Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,interpreted by them,and all religions are valid for spiritual enlightenment.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,the new age movement unifying the religions,all are valid,so the world will only want to hear the truth according to their interpretation,and the man of sin claims to be God to the world.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The man of sin will be of the new age movement,and cause craft,witchcraft,to prosper,and regard no god,but honor the God of forces,the evolutionary process.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.



Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The devils are cast down where the earth becomes their holding cell,and they deceive all who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The second beast will do lying wonders to deceive the people,and convince them that the beast has harnessed the power of nature,and achieved power,and gave this power to the second beast,and can give this power to those who follow him,and the world is convinced that he will be able to establish his kingdom,and nobody can stop him.

There has been people that have claimed to be Christ,but in one generation how can there be so many people claiming to be Christ,or a Christ figure,and since the new age movement will lead to the beast kingdom,with its occult,nature worship,and witchcraft ways,that will unify the religions,that says all paths lead to spiritual enlightenment,that have many paths,but all are valid,it would appear that it might be stemming from the new age movement,with its many different teachers,and paths.

A Christ can be somebody that says they have what is truth to benefit a person in a salvation way,which they look at it by harnessing nature to benefit a person,and spiritually evolve.

The new age movement fits the pattern,for they will unify the religions,all paths have a benefit to spiritually evolve,the man of sin will be from them,and will be the cause why the beast kingdom comes about,which deceives the world,that has many teachers.

That is what it appears to me,and since it says many false Christs shall arise,there are many teachers that can put across different paths,but all are valid,which the Bible says the time will come,that they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,will they heap to themselves teachers,having itching ears,and will turn their ears from the truth,and be turned unto fables,which people are only wanting to hear it according to the new age movement,and there are many teachers,with their different paths,but all are valid,to give the people what they want to hear.

They shall not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,which the new age movement is about harnessing the power of nature for power,and shall heap to themselves teachers,which the new age movement has many of them,in Buddhism,a false Christianity,Hinduism,and all religions,all interpreted by the new age movement,and shall turn their ears from what the Bible has taught for thousands of years,and will be turned unto fables,that are the imaginations of people who want power,and to be more than what they are,when God said a person should not think higher of them self than what they are.
 

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Squirrel! Yep, i missed it. IMO, knowing end time prophecy and eschatology are the sure fire remedy for avoiding the deception. People perish for a lack of knowledge.
So true!! Knowledge is power. God always tells his righteous what to do to avoid traps and judgment. In the case of Israel, He says to flee when the Abomination of Desolation is set up. In the case of Christians, we are told to "not believe" when someone says they are the Christ and "not to go out" when we are told that Jesus is in the desert, etc.

This deception event for Christians is also known as "the Hour of Trial" as John calls it in Rev 3:10.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Jesus was tested by Satan for 40 days in the Wilderness prior to starting His ministry. Thus the "Two Witnesses" will be tested prior to the start of the Great Tribulation (of Israel). It will be like the days of Gideon before he delivered Israel from the Midianites. All the "green grass" and "a third of the trees" will be removed (having failed the test of the false Christs) leaving only a small group of believers. These believers will be given enormous power of the Holly Spirit like in the days of Pentecost. This power lasts 1,260 days.

The Great Multitude of Rev 7 will be killed because they failed the "Test" having gone out and fallen for the false christs. This is why they are shown in heaven as "thirsty," "hungry," crying and "ashamed" which is what "sun doesn't strike" anymore means (see Isa 65). The GM in heaven are equated to the 32,000 soldiers of Gideon who were sent home leaving just 300. An epic battle of good vs. evil is about to start and God will take all the glory, that's why most of the 2.2 Billion Christians will be "send home" because there are too many.

The Pre-Trib rapture deception is the tool Satan will use to rid the world of most of its Christians and Jesus warned us about it.
 
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The Pre-Trib rapture deception is the tool Satan will use to rid the world of most of its Christians and Jesus warned us about it.
See now you just told on yourself.

You don't like the Christ of the bible then go ahead and change Him into something more palatable.

Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Gods revelation is exchanged for a false revelation that is more to mans liking. Gods righteousness exceeds the righteousness of men. Really just a rehash of the same old confusion from those who don't like what God has declared from before eternity.

For the cause of Christ
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mpaper345,

Thanks for your post. You do an excellent job of pointing us to scripture showing us the character of the last generation (before Christ returns). Is there any doubt the millennials fit these descriptions pretty closely? Thank you for that.

However, the thrust of your argument seems to be that the world will unite behind one New Age religion. I used to think this too until about 2 years ago when ISIS started chopping off heads. That caused me to go back and really study the clues given for Mystery Babylon. The biggest clue is the name itself along with the location given in Rev 13. Without getting into too much detail, Mystery Babylon is ISLAM. ISLAM fits every single clue.

Anyway, the church, as you noted "falls away" BEFORE the Man of Sin appears. The Man of Sin does not cause the church to fall away. Most of the church and certainly the part who bought Satan's great Pre-Trib lie, will be deceived into going after the many demons who come, each claiming to be Christ, because they failed to understand when Jesus said clearly that He comes after the Tribulation (and not before it). God Bless.
 

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See now you just told on yourself.

You don't like the Christ of the bible then go ahead and change Him into something more palatable.

Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Gods revelation is exchanged for a false revelation that is more to mans liking. Gods righteousness exceeds the righteousness of men. Really just a rehash of the same old confusion from those who don't like what God has declared from before eternity.

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Roger
Roger, will all respect, your own words convict yourself.

Pretend that I'm your grammar school English teacher for a moment. I'm going to ask you to read the below then answer a few questions to check out your reading comprehension skills. Okay?

Mat 24:[SUP] 29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

#1) In the above when does Jesus say He will return?

A) Before the Tribulation
B) After the Tribulation
C) Both A and B
D) Neither A or B

#2 Read every red word in your New Testament. Provide any passage where Christ Jesus (not Paul), tells us that He comes BEFORE the Tribulation.

#3 If you cannot point to a single lesson of Jesus which LOCATES THE TIMING OF HIS RETURN BEFORE the Tribulation, in your own words, please tell us why you think in all of His lessons, He left it out?

That's good enough for now. Let's see how you do.
 
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miknik5

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I think anyone coming claiming themselves to be CHRIST already makes manifest that they are a false CHRIST.
I believe we will hear HIM for ourselves and know...and won't need to be told: Here "he" is or there "he" is...
 
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So true!! Knowledge is power. God always tells his righteous what to do to avoid traps and judgment. In the case of Israel, He says to flee when the Abomination of Desolation is set up. In the case of Christians, we are told to "not believe" when someone says they are the Christ and "not to go out" when we are told that Jesus is in the desert, etc.

This deception event for Christians is also known as "the Hour of Trial" as John calls it in Rev 3:10.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Jesus was tested by Satan for 40 days in the Wilderness prior to starting His ministry. Thus the "Two Witnesses" will be tested prior to the start of the Great Tribulation (of Israel). It will be like the days of Gideon before he delivered Israel from the Midianites. All the "green grass" and "a third of the trees" will be removed (having failed the test of the false Christs) leaving only a small group of believers. These believers will be given enormous power of the Holly Spirit like in the days of Pentecost. This power lasts 1,260 days.

The Great Multitude of Rev 7 will be killed because they failed the "Test" having gone out and fallen for the false christs. This is why they are shown in heaven as "thirsty," "hungry," crying and "ashamed" which is what "sun doesn't strike" anymore means (see Isa 65). The GM in heaven are equated to the 32,000 soldiers of Gideon who were sent home leaving just 300. An epic battle of good vs. evil is about to start and God will take all the glory, that's why most of the 2.2 Billion Christians will be "send home" because there are too many.

The Pre-Trib rapture deception is the tool Satan will use to rid the world of most of its Christians and Jesus warned us about it.
So if someone believes in the pre trib rapture they are going to die? Or are you saying they will turn from God because they weren't taken up pre trib? Is there a special workout the non pre-tribbers are doing that I should know about?
 

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I think anyone coming claiming themselves to be CHRIST already makes manifest that they are a false CHRIST.
I believe we will hear HIM for ourselves and know...and won't need to be told: Here "he" is or there "he" is...
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven...

First we see His sign.


...and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Then we see Him coming.


[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

And when He comes, He comes as fast as lightening.