Deceived by Many False Christs
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Those who think that the Return of Christ can happen at any moment without any further fulfillment of prophesy are more susceptible to being deceived. Christ makes clear that many things must happen before He returns. You can read the list of things He mentions in the Olivet. Among them, which haven't happened yet, are:
1) Many False Christs and Prophets, deceiving many, AT THE SAME TIME
2) Abomination of Desolation
3) Jerusalem being surrounded by enemies
4) Those in Judea flee
5) Great Tribulation of Israel unlike anything the world has seen
6) Massive slaughter in the region of Muslims and Jews, unlike anything in the past (or future)
7) Sun and Moon darkened, stars falling from heaven
8) Sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven
Paul gives us these prerequisites to the Return of Christ in 2 Thes 2:
1) Falling Away
2) Revealing of the Man of Sin
3) Man of Sin sits in Temple of God, showing himself as God.
So, until all of these things take place, Christ will not return. We do not know the day or hour, but we will know the season.
Therefore, if some entity comes showing miracles and claiming to be Christ, he must be false. But sadly as we are shown in Rev 7, so many are deceived because they did not listen and watch for the signs we are clearly given which I showed you above. I pray that you have now been re-shown the things you need to see first that you are able to avoid the false christs that are coming.
1) Many False Christs and Prophets, deceiving many, AT THE SAME TIME
2) Abomination of Desolation
3) Jerusalem being surrounded by enemies
4) Those in Judea flee
5) Great Tribulation of Israel unlike anything the world has seen
6) Massive slaughter in the region of Muslims and Jews, unlike anything in the past (or future)
7) Sun and Moon darkened, stars falling from heaven
8) Sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven
Paul gives us these prerequisites to the Return of Christ in 2 Thes 2:
1) Falling Away
2) Revealing of the Man of Sin
3) Man of Sin sits in Temple of God, showing himself as God.
So, until all of these things take place, Christ will not return. We do not know the day or hour, but we will know the season.
Therefore, if some entity comes showing miracles and claiming to be Christ, he must be false. But sadly as we are shown in Rev 7, so many are deceived because they did not listen and watch for the signs we are clearly given which I showed you above. I pray that you have now been re-shown the things you need to see first that you are able to avoid the false christs that are coming.
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The generation Jesus is referring to is the generation of Adam=corruptible seed=wicked generation. This wicked generation is set to pass away, but not before all that prophecy is fulfilled. Jesus is not talking about a generation as carnally minded men might see it, but a whole generation firstborn of the flesh, as in Adam. Also the flood of lies and false doctrine started long ago, we have scriptures that prove all this. The tribulation of the Jews started right after the AOD took place in 70 ad, as Jesus also said and history also confirms this very truth. Too many people have been deceived into thinking all the prophecy given in the book of Revelation must be filled in a small amount of time, this is total nonsense.
All these things have been ongoing ever since Jesus left, scripture and history prove it. There are only a few things left to be fulfilled before Christs return, but few understand this, that's why the Lord will come upon them like a thief in the night.
Scriptures prove many deceivers had already entered into the world. Believe the words of God or not.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
All these things have been ongoing ever since Jesus left, scripture and history prove it. There are only a few things left to be fulfilled before Christs return, but few understand this, that's why the Lord will come upon them like a thief in the night.
Scriptures prove many deceivers had already entered into the world. Believe the words of God or not.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
I only want to know for whom is Jesus returning? For the church or for Israel?
Jesus gave prophecy to Israel. Jesus gave life to the church.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The church has a very different expectation from apostate Israel in the end times. You should really learn to distinguish between the two.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus gave prophecy to Israel. Jesus gave life to the church.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The church has a very different expectation from apostate Israel in the end times. You should really learn to distinguish between the two.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one boss. Your opinion ignores the original question.
“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
They wanted to know the signs of Jesus' coming which corresponds to the end of the age. The disciples weren't interested in the signs of Adam, thousands of years before.
They may be few, but are monumental things as I listed in my previous post.
Yes many have already come but you are mixing passages. Again, the question in the Olivet dealt with signs of the end of the age and Christ's return. Jesus answer concerned the signs of the very end, not signs that started happening right after He left.
Remember this, as it's very important.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
ALL THINGS that Jesus discusses from Mat 24:4-31 happen in one generation. A crazy generation it will be.
“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
They wanted to know the signs of Jesus' coming which corresponds to the end of the age. The disciples weren't interested in the signs of Adam, thousands of years before.
They may be few, but are monumental things as I listed in my previous post.
Yes many have already come but you are mixing passages. Again, the question in the Olivet dealt with signs of the end of the age and Christ's return. Jesus answer concerned the signs of the very end, not signs that started happening right after He left.
Remember this, as it's very important.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
ALL THINGS that Jesus discusses from Mat 24:4-31 happen in one generation. A crazy generation it will be.
Please answer my original question. Jesus was speaking to the Church and Israel. Don't you think His disciples, who founded every church, were Christian? We know they were all of Israel too. Four disciples specifically asked for signs of the end of the age and return of Christ. If there was/is to be an earlier return of Christ, why doesn't He mention it??? Not only doesn't He mention it in the Olivet, He doesn't mention it ANYWHERE!!!
Surely you believe the 4 apostles were saved and if Jesus returned during their lives, they would have been raptured?? If so, why does Jesus instead speak only of His Second Coming??? Come on Roger, this is easy. Don't deflect by answering my questions with more questions. Answer these 3 things then I will be happy to move on.
Mat 24:[SUP] 29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
#1) In the above when does Jesus say He will return?
A) Before the Tribulation
B) After the Tribulation
C) Both A and B
D) Neither A or B
#2 Read every red word in your New Testament. Provide any passage where Christ Jesus (not Paul), tells us that He comes BEFORE the Tribulation.
#3 If you cannot point to a single lesson of Jesus which LOCATES THE TIMING OF HIS RETURN BEFORE the Tribulation, in your own words, please tell us why you think in all of His lessons, He left it out?
Surely you believe the 4 apostles were saved and if Jesus returned during their lives, they would have been raptured?? If so, why does Jesus instead speak only of His Second Coming??? Come on Roger, this is easy. Don't deflect by answering my questions with more questions. Answer these 3 things then I will be happy to move on.
Mat 24:[SUP] 29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
#1) In the above when does Jesus say He will return?
A) Before the Tribulation
B) After the Tribulation
C) Both A and B
D) Neither A or B
#2 Read every red word in your New Testament. Provide any passage where Christ Jesus (not Paul), tells us that He comes BEFORE the Tribulation.
#3 If you cannot point to a single lesson of Jesus which LOCATES THE TIMING OF HIS RETURN BEFORE the Tribulation, in your own words, please tell us why you think in all of His lessons, He left it out?
Hello SteelToed! Excuse me. I'm using your post to speak with InSpiritInTruth since I have had him on ignore for a long time now. You know what one of the major problems is regarding the AOD having already taken place in 70 AD as InSpiritInTruth is proclaiming? It is what Jesus said in the following scripture:
"For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."
So far, we have seen no distress of the magnitude of what Jesus described above. And the destruction of the temple doesn't even come close to meeting that criteria. Since Jesus is saying that the distress to come will be unequaled at any time in the history of the world, that would include the flood. It is due to a lack of not understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath as to why people claim the above. They have no idea of the wrath that is coming upon this earth, which will be fulfilled via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Not only this, but scripture makes it clear that 3 1/2 years after the abomination has been set up, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. And none of the events that precede his return have yet to take place. Regarding this, when the Lord returns, scripture states that "every eye shall see him, even those who pierced him." There is no record of this ever happening. When has anyone seen Jesus arriving on the clouds and sending out his angels to gather the weeds and the wheat? That would be, never. Nor have we seen the antichrist nor any of the events that are to take place leading up to Christ's return. There is no record of the abomination being set up in the temple from the time that Jesus quoted Daniel, until the temple was destroyed. And therefore, since all scripture must be fulfilled, then the setting up of the AOD must still be a future event, namely in the middle of that last seven years.
"For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."
So far, we have seen no distress of the magnitude of what Jesus described above. And the destruction of the temple doesn't even come close to meeting that criteria. Since Jesus is saying that the distress to come will be unequaled at any time in the history of the world, that would include the flood. It is due to a lack of not understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath as to why people claim the above. They have no idea of the wrath that is coming upon this earth, which will be fulfilled via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Not only this, but scripture makes it clear that 3 1/2 years after the abomination has been set up, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. And none of the events that precede his return have yet to take place. Regarding this, when the Lord returns, scripture states that "every eye shall see him, even those who pierced him." There is no record of this ever happening. When has anyone seen Jesus arriving on the clouds and sending out his angels to gather the weeds and the wheat? That would be, never. Nor have we seen the antichrist nor any of the events that are to take place leading up to Christ's return. There is no record of the abomination being set up in the temple from the time that Jesus quoted Daniel, until the temple was destroyed. And therefore, since all scripture must be fulfilled, then the setting up of the AOD must still be a future event, namely in the middle of that last seven years.
The AOD and destruction of the Temple prophesied by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus had to with the Temple Jesus and his disciples were looking at with their own eyes, not some imaginary futuristic Temple conjured up by false teachers.
Scriptures prove what Temple Jesus was talking about....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the destruction of the temple, but also about the end of the world.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Now to Luke's account.
Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
And here was there sign and cue to flee Jerusalem....
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
Scriptures prove what Temple Jesus was talking about....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the destruction of the temple, but also about the end of the world.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Now to Luke's account.
Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
And here was there sign and cue to flee Jerusalem....
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
Not so dear friend. The Temple being Destroyed is not setting up an Abomination of Desolation. Jesus makes clear in Mat 24 that the Abomination of Desolation, along with everything else He mentions from Mat 24:4-31 happens to one generation, including His return, so that rules out the Dome of the Rock too which is clearly an A of D.
You misunderstood what I said, as you also misunderstand what Jesus refers to as "this generation". There is a generation of the first Adam according to the flesh, as there is a regeneration in the second, which is being made a new creation in Christ. This present wicked generation of corruptible seed is going to pass away, that is the generation Jesus is talking about, you just misunderstand what is being said.
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Again you are wrong as I proved in my above post about the destruction of the Temple mount in 70 ad., of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes. Some things remain to be fulfilled yes, but many judgments have already been fulfilled. The first 4 seals have to do with the 4 sore judgments, that were also foreshadowed of in Israel, and have already been loosed.
Jesus announced while on earth when the Prince of this world was to be cast out of heaven down to earth, and when the judgments would begin, with the clear declaration of NOW!
John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Notice Jesus did not say thousands of years from now shall these judgments begin but NOW!
Jesus announced while on earth when the Prince of this world was to be cast out of heaven down to earth, and when the judgments would begin, with the clear declaration of NOW!
John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Notice Jesus did not say thousands of years from now shall these judgments begin but NOW!
All these (1-6) have already been fulfilled up to number 7, which is the 6th seal sign, that is yet to be fulfilled, but perhaps not as you think. 
Mat 24:1-3 tells of a conversation that took place earlier when they were still on the Temple Mount looking at the buildings. Mat 24:4 to Mat 26:2 takes place on the Mount of Olives. It was a different conversation and the topic was the signs of His return and the end of the age.