Is Speaking in Tongues Evidence of Salvation?

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Carolyn345

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The Bible stated that such gifts would cease. In early Christian times peaking in tongues allowed new Christians to reach others with the good news about Christ, the ransom and God's kingdom in their own language. This was miraculous indeed, as learning or mastering a language normally takes a good amount of time to learn.

Nothing is stated in the Bible that these "tongues" we're inaudible and strange as many promote even today.
 
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CeileDe

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The Bible stated that such gifts would cease. In early Christian times peaking in tongues allowed new Christians to reach others with the good news about Christ, the ransom and God's kingdom in their own language. This was miraculous indeed, as learning or mastering a language normally takes a good amount of time to learn.

Nothing is stated in the Bible that these "tongues" we're inaudible and strange as many promote even today.
Thanks for the post but this isn't what the thread was about. Trying to stay away from the gift of tongues is valid for today or not. I am a firm believer in tongues, like I posted in the OP, so I guess this thread was more for those that believe in the gift of tongues. If someone doesn't believe in the gift of tongues today then their opinion is a bit misplaced for this topic :)
 

Hizikyah

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The Bible stated that such gifts would cease. In early Christian times peaking in tongues allowed new Christians to reach others with the good news about Christ, the ransom and God's kingdom in their own language. This was miraculous indeed, as learning or mastering a language normally takes a good amount of time to learn.

Nothing is stated in the Bible that these "tongues" we're inaudible and strange as many promote even today.
1Cor 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.
1Cor 14:28 And if there is no interpreter, let him be silent in an assembly, and let him speak to himself and to Ylohim.

Thanks for the post but this isn't what the thread was about. Trying to stay away from the gift of tongues is valid for today or not. I am a firm believer in tongues, like I posted in the OP, so I guess this thread was more for those that believe in the gift of tongues. If someone doesn't believe in the gift of tongues today then their opinion is a bit misplaced for this topic :)
I think speaking in tongues is misused alot these days, and the purpose is thus missed.
 
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CeileDe

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Please let us not turn this thread into an argument about tongues. Someone can start another thread on that.
 
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kaylagrl

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First off I would like to say I do believe in the gift of tongues and that it is for today.

I received a free book a few weeks ago called Speaking in Tongues at Spirit Baptism by John David Clark, Sr.

I'll basically jump to the end of the book where there is a conclusion. Basically it states "we conclude that the body of Christ is composed exclusively of those who have received the baptism of the Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance "

I guess I never knew some Christians felt this way. I have heard some feel they are elite Christians if they have the gift of tongues, but not that they are the only TRUE Christians.

Anyone believe this on here or have ran into Christians that do?
Holiness Pentecostals believe that you must speak in tongues to be saved. Pentecostals are usually accused of that, but it is only Holiness Pentecostals that teach this.
 
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CeileDe

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Holiness Pentecostals believe that you must speak in tongues to be saved. Pentecostals are usually accused of that, but is only Holiness Pentecostals.
I'm guessing there aren't too many Pentecostal Christians who believe in this then. I would have never even heard about it, BUT a free book is a free book lol. Actually many in the Celtic Tradition don't practice the gift of tongues. I think I am a rare commodity in it lol.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'm guessing there aren't too many Pentecostal Christians who believe in this then. I would have never even heard about it, BUT a free book is a free book lol. Actually many in the Celtic Tradition don't practice the gift of tongues. I think I am a rare commodity in it lol.
No,mainstream Pentecostals do not believe this. Holiness are known for dressing a certain way,mainly for the women.They wear long hair,no make-up and long dresses.
 
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Carolyn345

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Many who I have spoken with directly who say they speak in tongues say it is indistinguishable and that they then have to pray for understanding. To their audience the "tongue" is not understood.

While first century experiences where new Christians could suddenly speak in others' languages in order to share the good news does not exist today, there has been a movement propelled by God's spirit to have the good news made available in different languages. Many have been willing to learn foreign languages in order to spread the good news in local and foreign areas. God's spirit incites their success. ( Matthew 24,28 Zephaniah 2:2,3)
 
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CeileDe

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No,mainstream Pentecostals do not believe this. Holiness are known for dressing a certain way,mainly for the women.They wear long hair,no make-up and long dresses.
I've been to a church similar to this and never went back.
 

trofimus

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First off I would like to say I do believe in the gift of tongues and that it is for today.

I received a free book a few weeks ago called Speaking in Tongues at Spirit Baptism by John David Clark, Sr.

I'll basically jump to the end of the book where there is a conclusion. Basically it states "we conclude that the body of Christ is composed exclusively of those who have received the baptism of the Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance "

I guess I never knew some Christians felt this way. I have heard some feel they are elite Christians if they have the gift of tongues, but not that they are the only TRUE Christians.

Anyone believe this on here or have ran into Christians that do?

I agree with people saying you dont have to speak in tongues to be saved.

But I also think you dont have to be saved when you speak in so called "tongues", because many sects and non-christian religions have similar practice of glosolalia.

Its no sign of "true Christianity", the fruit of the Spirit is (Gal 5).
 
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kaylagrl

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I've been to a church similar to this and never went back.
They tend to be very judgmental folk unfortunately. My sister married into a family that attend a holiness type church. She grew her hair and wore long dresses when she first married. When she realized nothing would please them she decided to live her own life and let them gossip.
 
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CeileDe

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They tend to be very judgmental folk unfortunately. My sister married into a family that attend a holiness type church. She grew her hair and wore long dresses when she first married. When she realized nothing would please them she decided to live her own life and let them gossip.
My wife and I went to the one I mentioned and they looked at my wife like she was alien. Her hair was down, had nice jeans on and a nice shirt. My son carried in his Ipad and I guess that is a major no no. They actually had two guys guarding the door and a couple guys roaming the church and each time they passed us they looked down at what my son was doing. Was really uncomfortable.
 
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kaylagrl

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My wife and I went to the one I mentioned and they looked at my wife like she was alien. Her hair was down, had nice jeans on and a nice shirt. My son carried in his Ipad and I guess that is a major no no. They actually had two guys guarding the door and a couple guys roaming the church and each time they passed us they looked down at what my son was doing. Was really uncomfortable.
Lol yes,I've been to a few of their churches. I also sang at a few. They told us we couldn't wear make-up. I always did, I got good at doing the natural look.lol
 
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CeileDe

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Lol yes,I've been to a few of their churches. I also sang at a few. They told us we couldn't wear make-up. I always did, I got good at doing the natural look.lol
Well I am glad that all of us here can agree that tongues isn't a requirement or a sign of salvation.
 
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eph610

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They tend to be very judgmental folk unfortunately. My sister married into a family that attend a holiness type church. She grew her hair and wore long dresses when she first married. When she realized nothing would please them she decided to live her own life and let them gossip.
judgemental or full of Pride?
 

OneFaith

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"Where there are tongues they will be stilled."

The verse about the Spirit interceding for us with groans that words cannot express, is to God- not to an audience. And it is of the soul- not of the mouth. This is a silent prayer that only God hears. It is true that the Spirit marks us for salvation, but it is not true that the Holy Spirit gives the same abilities to all of Gods people in all timeframes.
 
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I have seldom if ever talked to these christians.

I have however talked to pagan's who laugh at these people. Apparently speaking in tongues is thousands of years old and originates from pagan spirit communication, during rituals, the spirit would take over somebody and send out a message in tongues.

Apparently the confusion comes from a scripture saying somebody would come and teach a new language, unlike one ever used. Biblical scholars from hundreds ad were trying to figure out what this was, heard of speaking tongues, and thought of it as a language unlike they had ever heard before, and wrote it in to translations without doing more research.

According to pagan's they could identify the spirits causing baptists and other "tongue speakers" to think they are in a holy spirit, but because of the general hate they feel they are given, would rather not let them hear the pagans actually have the same rituals but do them less often and with more reserve because as a culture dealing with spirits for thousands of years without the protection of something higher, they've learned doing these things often leads to problems down the road. If christians were more caring towards them as people they would tell them these things but hate of them leads to hate of you.

I realize this is not from the group you asked for but this is what the other group who does this says about the practice.

I think the perspective is useful which is why I share it with christians despite the source of the information
 
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The bible says "he will teach them a new language, they will have never heard it before," if pagan's have been speaking tongues from hundreds if not millenniums before this was published, it couldn't possibly a reference to tongues

wouldn't let me add this to my comment
 
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wanted to add the pagans i used to associate with wonder why these practices have not reached a tipping point in these churches, the two going theories are the spirits are content being a trap to hold those seeking jesus, others think they are planning something down the road with an army of people acquired through mass possession.

I believe the original stance is to not commune with spirits on the grounds they will defile you, and if there was to be an exception to a command with any specific spirit not mentioned in the commands, instead of "holy spirit" meaning "spirit as in attitude which makes a person seek being holy", there would be something it could and would be required to do coming to people of God to convince them other than what could be done by any other spirit, and as somebody who's studied spiritual occurrences, im not hearing evidence of anything happening in baptist churches somebody could not recreate in the woods without christian scripture
 
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I agree with people saying you dont have to speak in tongues to be saved.

But I also think you dont have to be saved when you speak in so called "tongues", because many sects and non-christian religions have similar practice of glosolalia.

Its no sign of "true Christianity", the fruit of the Spirit is (Gal 5).
Paul emphasises both the gifts of the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit, and says that we should "Make love your aim, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy." 1Cor 14v1

I would have thought that seeking BOTH should be a top priority for ANY Christian, although the fruit of the Spirit would be the more important...

Love without power (spiritual gifts) cannot help a needy Church and world and power (spiritual gifts) without love is dangerous as they will be abused and used incorrectly.

QED!