"replacement theology" - what is it?

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LaurenTM

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hmmm ... Charlie

you have chosen a bit of a complicated subject

it seems y'all were under Martial law and what is a bit strange, is that some think you still are

(you are not)

pseudolaw

as you prob know, the era after the civil war is referred to as the 'Reconstruction'


great article in WIKI about that


Over a quarter of Southern white men of military age — the backbone of the South's white workforce — died during the war, leaving countless families destitute.[SUP][14][/SUP] Per capita income for white southerners declined from $125 in 1857 to a low of $80 in 1879. By the end of the 19th century and well into the 20th century, the South was locked into a system of poverty. How much of this failure was caused by the war and by previous reliance on agriculture remains the subject of debate among economists and historians

and

President Lincoln was the leader of the moderate Republicans and wanted to speed up Reconstruction and reunite the nation painlessly and quickly. Lincoln formally began Reconstruction in late 1863 with his Ten percent plan, which went into operation in several states but which Radical Republicans opposed. Lincoln pocket vetoed the Radical plan, the Wade–Davis Bill of 1864, which was much more strict than the Ten-Percent Plan

but then

Upon Lincoln's assassination in April 1865, Andrew Johnson of Tennessee, who had been elected with Lincoln in 1864 as vice president, became president. Johnson rejected the Radical program of Reconstruction and instead appointed his own governors and tried to finish reconstruction by the end of 1865. Thaddeus Stevens vehemently opposed President Johnson's plans for an abrupt end to Reconstruction, insisting that Reconstruction must "revolutionize Southern institutions, habits, and manners ... The foundations of their institutions ... must be broken up and relaid, or all our blood and treasure have been spent in vain."[SUP][25][/SUP] Johnson broke decisively with the Republicans in Congress when he vetoed the Civil Rights Act in early 1865. While Democrats cheered, the Republicans pulled together, passed the bill again, and overturned Johnson's repeat veto.[SUP][26][/SUP] Full-scale political warfare now existed between Johnson (now allied with the Democrats) and the Radical Republicans.

some things never change, eh?
 
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The use of the word clouds or any word, must be determined by the context. When Jesus ascended into heaven hidden by a cloud, the cloud was not referring to a cloud of people who went with him, for he ascended alone. It is the context that must be looked at first. Since it is stated that Jesus left in a cloud and the angels said that he would return in the same way, then it will be with the literal clouds. For sure, scripture states that we have a great cloud witnesses, but you have to discern via the context whether the word is speaking of a literal clouds or symbolically, as representing a cloud of witnesses.

In the case of Matt.24:32, Acts 1:9 and Rev.1:7, they are all speaking of Jesus returning with the literal clouds of the sky and that at the end of the age.
Are literal beasts going to rise up out of the sea? Is lIterally 1/3 of the grass going to burn up? Are the literal stars going to fall from the sky? Of course not. The book of Revelation is SIGNIFIED.

signify (v.)
late 13c., "be a sign of, indicate, mean," from Old French signifier (12c.), from Latin significare "to make signs, show by signs, point out, express; mean, signify; foreshadow, portend,"


Revelation 1:1 KJV
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
 
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LaurenTM

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I don't understand what the time frame of the writing of Revelation hs to do with anything. Revelation doesn't say anything different than what's written in the prophets. What does the time frame of the writing have to do with anything?

oh my lands...naw...you are just stalling while trying to answer..but you can't

if Revelation was written about 20 years AFTER the fall of Jerusalem, how can it be ABOUT the fall of Jerusalem?

duh

it says nothing new, eh? that's your get around the facts?

anyway, nuff about that for me tonight...tomorrow, is a whole new day as they say
 
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oh my lands...naw...you are just stalling while trying to answer..but you can't

if Revelation was written about 20 years AFTER the fall of Jerusalem, how can it be ABOUT the fall of Jerusalem?

duh

anyway, nuff about that for me tonight...tomorrow, is a whole new day as they say
The fall of Jerusalem is written all over the Old Testament.... before it even happened.
 
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LaurenTM

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And now she's Catholic. :D


and answers prayers too

Italy is going bust...they need to take a lookee in the basement of Vatican City

no need to be broke................:rolleyes:
 
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CharlieGrown

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hmmm ... Charlie

you have chosen a bit of a complicated subject

it seems y'all were under Martial law and what is a bit strange, is that some think you still are

(you are not)

pseudolaw

as you prob know, the era after the civil war is referred to as the 'Reconstruction'


great article in WIKI about that


Over a quarter of Southern white men of military age — the backbone of the South's white workforce — died during the war, leaving countless families destitute.[SUP][14][/SUP] Per capita income for white southerners declined from $125 in 1857 to a low of $80 in 1879. By the end of the 19th century and well into the 20th century, the South was locked into a system of poverty. How much of this failure was caused by the war and by previous reliance on agriculture remains the subject of debate among economists and historians

and

President Lincoln was the leader of the moderate Republicans and wanted to speed up Reconstruction and reunite the nation painlessly and quickly. Lincoln formally began Reconstruction in late 1863 with his Ten percent plan, which went into operation in several states but which Radical Republicans opposed. Lincoln pocket vetoed the Radical plan, the Wade–Davis Bill of 1864, which was much more strict than the Ten-Percent Plan

but then

Upon Lincoln's assassination in April 1865, Andrew Johnson of Tennessee, who had been elected with Lincoln in 1864 as vice president, became president. Johnson rejected the Radical program of Reconstruction and instead appointed his own governors and tried to finish reconstruction by the end of 1865. Thaddeus Stevens vehemently opposed President Johnson's plans for an abrupt end to Reconstruction, insisting that Reconstruction must "revolutionize Southern institutions, habits, and manners ... The foundations of their institutions ... must be broken up and relaid, or all our blood and treasure have been spent in vain."[SUP][25][/SUP] Johnson broke decisively with the Republicans in Congress when he vetoed the Civil Rights Act in early 1865. While Democrats cheered, the Republicans pulled together, passed the bill again, and overturned Johnson's repeat veto.[SUP][26][/SUP] Full-scale political warfare now existed between Johnson (now allied with the Democrats) and the Radical Republicans.

some things never change, eh?
Wow! I'm gonna PM you the video that got me on this notion if that's OK.
 

Desertsrose

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I think I do get it but maybe not. I'm not above correction, maybe you can help me see the light. If this is talking about the 2nd coming of Christ, how will those which pierced him, which are in the grave at that time, how will they see him when he comes?

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

I'm sure you've heard of dual fulfillment. But maybe not. For instance in 168 BC we know that Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled in reference to Daniel's prophecy and yet, in Thessalonians we have the Abomination that causes desolation again as spoken through the prophet Daniel.

Jeremiah 31
[SUP]31[/SUP] "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, [SUP]32[/SUP] not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. [SUP]33[/SUP] "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, " I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [SUP]34[/SUP] They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

This also has a dual fulfillment. Jesus came as Messiah, the New Covenant began at the last supper and the ministers of the gospel is the New Covenant.

Not all Israel know Him yet, it's future. They won't be teaching know the Lord th his neighbor because they will all know Him.
 
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LaurenTM

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The fall of Jerusalem is written all over the Old Testament.... before it even happened.
keep dodging...it's about the ONLY thing you folks can do when presented with FACTS from scripture

I am not addressing the fall in 70 AD...which you KNOW

I am addressing your request I answer your objections to us saying that Revelation is not about the events of 70 AD

how, now read slowly and use a paper bag to breathe if you need, how...can...Revelation...be ...about...an...event...that...happened...20...years...before...if...it..is..called...THE REVELATION OF JOHN

not much of a revelation if it was only a history lesson

crickets chirping

done for the evening of a truth this time
 
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LaurenTM

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Wow! I'm gonna PM you the video that got me on this notion if that's OK.


yeah sure...although I am already guessing what it might be

be interesting to see if I am close...no worries...I won't fib if I am not....:cool:

will be in touch tomorrow...K?

night all!
 
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LaurenTM

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Wow! I'm gonna PM you the video that got me on this notion if that's OK.


yeah sure...although I am already guessing what it might be

be interesting to see if I am close...no worries...I won't fib if I am not....:cool:

will be in touch tomorrow...K?

night all!...

haha...you already sent it....
 

Utah

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It's terrible what they've done to Mary, using her personage to represent the babylonian "queen of heaven".
I'm glad you caught that, bro.

And you're right, it's terrible up say the least.
 
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keep dodging...it's about the ONLY thing you folks can do when presented with FACTS from scripture

I am not addressing the fall in 70 AD...which you KNOW

I am addressing your request I answer your objections to us saying that Revelation is not about the events of 70 AD

how, now read slowly and use a paper bag to breathe if you need, how...can...Revelation...be ...about...an...event...that...happened...20...years...before...if...it..is..called...THE REVELATION OF JOHN

not much of a revelation if it was only a history lesson

crickets chirping

done for the evening of a truth this time
Do you even know what Revelation is about? There is nothing new in Revelation that wasn't already prophesied about in the Old Testament. Have you ever read Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Micah, Daniel or Isaiah?
 
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This is an interesting subject. There is good evidence for the book of Revelation for an early dating and also some for a later dating.

A popular theory holds that the book of Revelation was written sometime in the period between [SIZE=-1]A.D.
90-95.

And then some say the evidence requires a date shortly prior to [SIZE=-1]A.D.[/SIZE] 70 when Jerusalem and the temple were utterly destroyed, as Jesus prophesied would happen in the “Little Apocalypse,” Matthew chapter twenty-four
.

Here are some of those views.

Was Revelation Written in 96 AD?

Was Revelation written before or after the destruction of the temple in AD 70? - Christian Research Institute

When was the Book of Revelation written? - BibelCenter Studies[/SIZE]
 

zone

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nah

you don't get it

your posts prove that you do not, in fact, 'get it'

YOU GUYS don't 'get it'

and your remark about Revelation is nothing but your arrogance attempting to make those who disagree with your preterist presentation appear ignorant

arrogance blinds people and your posts, and especially the op's post, exhibit plenty of arrogance
YAWN........
 

zone

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oh my lands...naw...you are just stalling while trying to answer..but you can't

if Revelation was written about 20 years AFTER the fall of Jerusalem, how can it be ABOUT the fall of Jerusalem?

duh
what an embarrassment.
go do homework.
please.
 
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CharlieGrown

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oh I'm sorry dear - we haven't met.
CharlieGroan
it's the internet, don't think "meeting" is possible. But, hey I'm the pseudo identity known as CharlieGrown.
 
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This is an interesting subject. There is good evidence for the book of Revelation for an early dating and also some for a later dating.

A popular theory holds that the book of Revelation was written sometime in the period between [SIZE=-1]A.D.
90-95.

And then some say the evidence requires a date shortly prior to [SIZE=-1]A.D.[/SIZE] 70 when Jerusalem and the temple were utterly destroyed, as Jesus prophesied would happen in the “Little Apocalypse,” Matthew chapter twenty-four
.

Here are some of those views.

Was Revelation Written in 96 AD?

Was Revelation written before or after the destruction of the temple in AD 70? - Christian Research Institute

When was the Book of Revelation written? - BibelCenter Studies[/SIZE]
I read the links Grace thanks. I don't think anybody really knows when it was written but I don't understand why it even matters. I mean what difference does it make in the understanding of the book, do you know?