According to Scripture Where Are the Dead?
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My personal opinion is:
1. Christians go directly to heaven.
2. Non-christians are sleeping, waiting for the judgement. Not sure whether this "sleeping" means no conscience at all, maybe there is some like in a dream. Not a pleasant dream.
3. Animals are sinless, therefore they have some special treatment after death. I am not sure of what kind.
1. Christians go directly to heaven.
2. Non-christians are sleeping, waiting for the judgement. Not sure whether this "sleeping" means no conscience at all, maybe there is some like in a dream. Not a pleasant dream.
3. Animals are sinless, therefore they have some special treatment after death. I am not sure of what kind.
Since it is written in 1 John 5:8;
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
those in the flesh would take note of that which is spoken of in Mark 13:11.
If the water returns to the Seas and the blood returns to the Earth then wouldn't the pnuema listeth where it will?
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
those in the flesh would take note of that which is spoken of in Mark 13:11.
If the water returns to the Seas and the blood returns to the Earth then wouldn't the pnuema listeth where it will?
Hello EarsToHear,
"If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. " - Phil.1:23
"Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Cor.5:6-8
According to the scriptures above, when the believer dies their spirit departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord awaiting the resurrection. When the wicked die, their spirit departs and ends up in Sheol/Hades where they will remain in torment until the great white throne judgment, just as the event of the rich man and Lazarus demonstrates fount in Luke 16:19-31
The word "sleep" is used in reference to the state of the body only, where the spirit is conscious and aware after death. Below are a few examples:
"But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
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"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long,
Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then
each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.
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"Phil.2:9-11 – “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee would bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Note: "under the earth" would be in reference to those who are in Sheol/Hades
"If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. " - Phil.1:23
"Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Cor.5:6-8
According to the scriptures above, when the believer dies their spirit departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord awaiting the resurrection. When the wicked die, their spirit departs and ends up in Sheol/Hades where they will remain in torment until the great white throne judgment, just as the event of the rich man and Lazarus demonstrates fount in Luke 16:19-31
The word "sleep" is used in reference to the state of the body only, where the spirit is conscious and aware after death. Below are a few examples:
"But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
=========================================
"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long,
Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then
each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.
===================================
"Phil.2:9-11 – “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee would bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Note: "under the earth" would be in reference to those who are in Sheol/Hades
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
Death just might be one of the most misunderstood subjects today.
To many it is enshrouded in mystery and evokes dreaded feelings of
fear, uncertainty, and even hopelessness. Others believe that their
deceased loved ones are not dead at all, but instead live with them
or in other realms! Still others are confused about the relationship
between the body, spirit, and soul. But does it really matter what
you believe? Yes... absolutely! Because what you believe about the
dead will have a profound impact on what happens to you in the
end-times. There's no room for guessing, so this Study Guide will
give you exactly what God says on this subject.
Adam was created by God in the beginning.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
What happens when a person dies?
The spirits of both the righteous and the wicked
return to God. Their bodies return to dust.
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.
Answer: The body turns to dust again, and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it. The spirit of every person who dies--whether righteous or wicked--returns to God at death.
What is the "spirit" that returns to God at death?
"The body without the spirit ["breath," see margin] is dead." James 2:26. "The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him," see margin] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3.
Answer: The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God's book does the "spirit" have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.
There is nothing mysterious about the spirit that returns to God at death. It is the breath of life.
What is a "soul"?
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
A soul is a living being. A soul is always a combination of two things:body plus breath. A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God's Word teaches that we are souls.
Do souls die?
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:20. "Every living soul died in the sea." Revelation 16:3.
According to God's Word, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17). Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul goes against the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.
Do good people go to heaven when they die?
"All that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." John 5:28, 29. "David ... is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day." "For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:29, 34. "If I wait, the grave is mine house." Job 17:13.
No, people do not go either to heaven or hell at death. They go to their graves to await the resurrection day.
How much does one know or comprehend after death?
"The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. "The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17.
God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!
Can the dead communicate with the living?
Are they aware of what the living are doing?
"So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." "His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:12, 21. "Neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:6.
Answer: No, the dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalms 146:4).
Jesus calls death "sleep." It is a state of total unconsciousness.
Though millions think it is possible, the dead cannot communicate with the living.
Jesus called the unconscious state of the dead
"sleep" in John 11:11-14. How long will they sleep?
"So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more." Job 14:12. "The day of the Lord will come ... in the which the heavens shall pass away." 2 Peter 3:10.
The dead will sleep until the great day of the Lord at the end of the world. In death, humans are totally unconscious with no activity or knowledge of any kind.
What happens to the righteous dead at the second coming of Christ?
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12. "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, ... and the dead in Christ shall rise ... and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17. "We shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, ... and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. ... For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.
They will be rewarded: raised, given immortal bodies, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
Those slated for the second death do not receive immortal bodies!
What was the devil's first lie?
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die."
Satan told Eve that sin would not bring death. "Ye shall not surely die," he said.
The devil's first lie to Eve was "You won't die" - a statement completely contrary to all Scripture.
Those who believe the dead are alive become easy targets for the devil's deceptions.
Why did the devil lie to Eve about death? Could
this subject be more important than many think?
It is one of the cornerstones of the devil's kingdom. He has worked powerful miracles down through the ages through people who claim to receive their power from the spirits of the dead. (Examples: Magicians of Egypt Exodus 7:11, Woman of Endor 1 Samuel 28:3-25, Sorcerers Daniel 2:2, A certain damsel Acts 16:16-18.)
A Solemn Warning
In the end-time Satan will again use sorcery as he did in Daniel's day to deceive the world (Revelation 18:23). Sorcery is a supernatural agency that claims to receive its power and wisdom from the spirits of the dead.
Posing as godly loved ones who have died, saintly clergymen who are now dead, Bible prophets, or even the apostles or disciples of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:13), Satan and his angels will deceive billions. Those who believe the dead are alive, in any form, will most assuredly be deceived.
All miracle working is not from God, because devils also work miracles.
Do devils really work miracles?
"They are the spirits of devils, working miracles." Revelation 16:14. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24.
Devils work incredibly convincing miracles (Revelation 13:13, 14). Satan and his angels will appear as angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) and, even more shocking, as Christ Himself (Matthew 24:23, 24). The universal feeling will be that Christ and His angels are leading out in a fantastic worldwide revival. The entire emphasis will seem so spiritual and be so supernatural that only God's elect will not be deceived.
The elect will not be deceived, because they firmly reject everything that is contrary to Scripture.
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they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
Death just might be one of the most misunderstood subjects today.
To many it is enshrouded in mystery and evokes dreaded feelings of
fear, uncertainty, and even hopelessness. Others believe that their
deceased loved ones are not dead at all, but instead live with them
or in other realms! Still others are confused about the relationship
between the body, spirit, and soul. But does it really matter what
you believe? Yes... absolutely! Because what you believe about the
dead will have a profound impact on what happens to you in the
end-times. There's no room for guessing, so this Study Guide will
give you exactly what God says on this subject.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
What happens when a person dies?
The spirits of both the righteous and the wicked
return to God. Their bodies return to dust.
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.
Answer: The body turns to dust again, and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it. The spirit of every person who dies--whether righteous or wicked--returns to God at death.
What is the "spirit" that returns to God at death?
"The body without the spirit ["breath," see margin] is dead." James 2:26. "The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him," see margin] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3.
Answer: The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God's book does the "spirit" have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.
There is nothing mysterious about the spirit that returns to God at death. It is the breath of life.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
A soul is a living being. A soul is always a combination of two things:body plus breath. A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God's Word teaches that we are souls.
Do souls die?
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:20. "Every living soul died in the sea." Revelation 16:3.
According to God's Word, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17). Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul goes against the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.
Do good people go to heaven when they die?
"All that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." John 5:28, 29. "David ... is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day." "For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:29, 34. "If I wait, the grave is mine house." Job 17:13.
No, people do not go either to heaven or hell at death. They go to their graves to await the resurrection day.
How much does one know or comprehend after death?
"The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. "The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17.
God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!
Can the dead communicate with the living?
Are they aware of what the living are doing?
"So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." "His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:12, 21. "Neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:6.
Answer: No, the dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalms 146:4).
Jesus calls death "sleep." It is a state of total unconsciousness.
Though millions think it is possible, the dead cannot communicate with the living.
Jesus called the unconscious state of the dead
"sleep" in John 11:11-14. How long will they sleep?
"So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more." Job 14:12. "The day of the Lord will come ... in the which the heavens shall pass away." 2 Peter 3:10.
The dead will sleep until the great day of the Lord at the end of the world. In death, humans are totally unconscious with no activity or knowledge of any kind.
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12. "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, ... and the dead in Christ shall rise ... and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17. "We shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, ... and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. ... For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.
They will be rewarded: raised, given immortal bodies, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
Those slated for the second death do not receive immortal bodies!
What was the devil's first lie?
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die."
Satan told Eve that sin would not bring death. "Ye shall not surely die," he said.
The devil's first lie to Eve was "You won't die" - a statement completely contrary to all Scripture.
Those who believe the dead are alive become easy targets for the devil's deceptions.
Why did the devil lie to Eve about death? Could
this subject be more important than many think?
It is one of the cornerstones of the devil's kingdom. He has worked powerful miracles down through the ages through people who claim to receive their power from the spirits of the dead. (Examples: Magicians of Egypt Exodus 7:11, Woman of Endor 1 Samuel 28:3-25, Sorcerers Daniel 2:2, A certain damsel Acts 16:16-18.)
A Solemn Warning
In the end-time Satan will again use sorcery as he did in Daniel's day to deceive the world (Revelation 18:23). Sorcery is a supernatural agency that claims to receive its power and wisdom from the spirits of the dead.
Posing as godly loved ones who have died, saintly clergymen who are now dead, Bible prophets, or even the apostles or disciples of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:13), Satan and his angels will deceive billions. Those who believe the dead are alive, in any form, will most assuredly be deceived.
All miracle working is not from God, because devils also work miracles.
Do devils really work miracles?
"They are the spirits of devils, working miracles." Revelation 16:14. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24.
Devils work incredibly convincing miracles (Revelation 13:13, 14). Satan and his angels will appear as angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) and, even more shocking, as Christ Himself (Matthew 24:23, 24). The universal feeling will be that Christ and His angels are leading out in a fantastic worldwide revival. The entire emphasis will seem so spiritual and be so supernatural that only God's elect will not be deceived.
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1TH. 4:15-16-17-18.
For this we say unto you by The Word of The Lord, that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of The Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet The Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with The Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
For this we say unto you by The Word of The Lord, that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of The Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet The Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with The Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
[HR][/HR]Hell moves to meet the lost at their coming.......
The saved spirit returns unto God which gave it.......
The lost will remain in hell until the Great White throne judgment where they will be judged by the 5 books of MOSES (LAW) and found guilty to be cast into the eternal lake of fire to weep, wail and pay the price for all eternity.
The saved will be where Jesus is (heaven) and will return with Christ to be united with a glorified body that is resurrected and will meet those who have been changed in the air with Jesus
The saved spirit returns unto God which gave it.......
The lost will remain in hell until the Great White throne judgment where they will be judged by the 5 books of MOSES (LAW) and found guilty to be cast into the eternal lake of fire to weep, wail and pay the price for all eternity.
The saved will be where Jesus is (heaven) and will return with Christ to be united with a glorified body that is resurrected and will meet those who have been changed in the air with Jesus
The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word "helle" or "helan"
and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"
There are four words for hell and the translators wrongly used hell each and every
occasion that the words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.
Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem,
where refuse was burned continually.
Hades, is a greek word for hidden place
Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave
Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the subterranean prisons
where the "gods" were imprisoned.
use a bible concordence to find in verses what origanly word used, one deffination.
So, by combining all these things together, the translators painted a picture
of a subterranean place where fires burned and was unseen by those living
upon the surface of the earth.
There will be a lake of fire, that is a fact, but hell is not the lake of fire.
The lake of fire does not yet exist...it will at Judgment day,
but that is only after the millennial period.
and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"
There are four words for hell and the translators wrongly used hell each and every
occasion that the words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.
Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem,
where refuse was burned continually.
Hades, is a greek word for hidden place
Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave
Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the subterranean prisons
where the "gods" were imprisoned.
use a bible concordence to find in verses what origanly word used, one deffination.
So, by combining all these things together, the translators painted a picture
of a subterranean place where fires burned and was unseen by those living
upon the surface of the earth.
There will be a lake of fire, that is a fact, but hell is not the lake of fire.
The lake of fire does not yet exist...it will at Judgment day,
but that is only after the millennial period.
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The reason people can't see such places is because many are blind in understanding, if a person is not blind in understanding, then would be able to see all in understanding, as person must step out of where they, so they might see what they don't yet see, just as John saw the new heaven and earth in understanding but yet the world of today doesn't see the new heaven and earth, but the new heaven and earth already is.
Present with the Lord
2Co 5:1 For we know that if the earthly house of our tabernacle be dissolved,
we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens.
-Paul uses the tabernacle to represent our earthly house/body which will be dissolved/mortal.
but we have a building form God a house not made with hands, eternal/immortal, in the heavens.
why is Paul saying this? The context from the prior chapter will help:
2Co 4:16 Wherefore we faint not; but though our outward man is decaying,
yet our inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is for
the moment, worketh for us more and more exceedingly an eternal weight of glory;
while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen:
for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
-Our outward man/tabernacle/body is decaying it is mortal but we have faith
in the things that are eternal. What is this in relation to? when will this be?
2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus
shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
-So Paul faints not because of the Grace God gives and the promise that
this corrupt outward mortal man will be raised to eternal life just as Jesus was.
So again Paul says:
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon] with our house
which is [from] heaven: 2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
-We want that clothing that is from heaven. what clothing?
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that
we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
-mortality might put on life or immortality in other words.
Remember Paul has already connected the Resurrection with this in chapter 4.
but lets make it clear before we go on in the chapter:
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
-This all takes place at the last trump at the coming of Christ. when our
mortal bodies are clothed in immortality changed in the twinkling of an eye.
-What does Paul mean we shall not all sleep and the last trump?
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
-So the last Trump is at the second coming of Jesus, and we shall not all sleep
but some will still be alive and remain. Those who sleep are resurrected at this time.
So lets go back to the texts in question:
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God,
who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,
we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)
-So through the earnestness of the Spirit they walk by faith not by sight,
in this earthly body and are absent from the Lord. because they are here
on earth and the judgment has not yet come. but:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body,
and to be present with the Lord.
-They are willing or want to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
Contextually we have seen this happens at the resurrection not instantly.
Paul does not say or even infer that this is instantaneous at all. He simply says
he would like to be out of this mortal body and to be present with the Lord.
He does not even say that one equals the other but rather he wants to with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
Notice that he says, "present or absent" we may be accepted of him. If being absent means
He is already with the Lord then how is it that the absent still hopes to be accepted of him?
Paul is simply saying that they labour in life by faith in this mortal body.
and the works that they do will follow them even in death/absent.
As it is written:
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write,
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit,
that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive
the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Heb_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
blessings.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if the earthly house of our tabernacle be dissolved,
we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens.
-Paul uses the tabernacle to represent our earthly house/body which will be dissolved/mortal.
but we have a building form God a house not made with hands, eternal/immortal, in the heavens.
why is Paul saying this? The context from the prior chapter will help:
2Co 4:16 Wherefore we faint not; but though our outward man is decaying,
yet our inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is for
the moment, worketh for us more and more exceedingly an eternal weight of glory;
while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen:
for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
-Our outward man/tabernacle/body is decaying it is mortal but we have faith
in the things that are eternal. What is this in relation to? when will this be?
2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus
shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
-So Paul faints not because of the Grace God gives and the promise that
this corrupt outward mortal man will be raised to eternal life just as Jesus was.
So again Paul says:
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon] with our house
which is [from] heaven: 2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
-We want that clothing that is from heaven. what clothing?
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that
we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
-mortality might put on life or immortality in other words.
Remember Paul has already connected the Resurrection with this in chapter 4.
but lets make it clear before we go on in the chapter:
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
-This all takes place at the last trump at the coming of Christ. when our
mortal bodies are clothed in immortality changed in the twinkling of an eye.
-What does Paul mean we shall not all sleep and the last trump?
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
-So the last Trump is at the second coming of Jesus, and we shall not all sleep
but some will still be alive and remain. Those who sleep are resurrected at this time.
So lets go back to the texts in question:
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God,
who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,
we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)
-So through the earnestness of the Spirit they walk by faith not by sight,
in this earthly body and are absent from the Lord. because they are here
on earth and the judgment has not yet come. but:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body,
and to be present with the Lord.
-They are willing or want to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
Contextually we have seen this happens at the resurrection not instantly.
Paul does not say or even infer that this is instantaneous at all. He simply says
he would like to be out of this mortal body and to be present with the Lord.
He does not even say that one equals the other but rather he wants to with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
Notice that he says, "present or absent" we may be accepted of him. If being absent means
He is already with the Lord then how is it that the absent still hopes to be accepted of him?
Paul is simply saying that they labour in life by faith in this mortal body.
and the works that they do will follow them even in death/absent.
As it is written:
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write,
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit,
that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive
the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Heb_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
blessings.
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about Lazarus and the Rich Man , basic points
1. The Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2).
2. He was a Gentile "of Damascus" ("a proselyte of the gate") who "ate the crumbs."
3. He was disinherited (to become a beggar) but he remained faithful to Abraham and God.
4. When this earthly life was over, he received Abraham’s inheritance
after all (he was in Abraham’s bosom) — in "everlasting habitations."
5. The Rich Man of the Parable was Judah. This son of Jacob had five literal brothers as did the Rich Man.
6. He was also a literal son of Abraham, while Eleazar (Lazarus) was not!
7. The Rich Man (Judah) also had the kingship (purple) and the priesthood (linen).
8. Yet Judah (representing God on this earth) was not the true steward of the Abrahamic blessings.
9. Though he and his literal brothers had been graced with the "oracles of God" (the Old Testament)
they would not respond to the One resurrected from the dead (Christ).
10. The "great gulf" was the Jordan rift valley the dividing line between Gentile lands
and the Holyland of promise (Abraham’s inheritance).
Crossing the Jordan was a typical figure recognized by the Jews as a symbol of salvation.
Once these factors are recognized, all the points in the parable (with its context)
fit perfectly to give us some simple but profound teachings of Christ.
It shows that the physical promises of God (though excellent) are very inferior to the
spiritual redemption that anyone (Jew or Gentile) can have in Christ.
The Real Meaning of Lazarus and the Rich Man
1. The Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2).
2. He was a Gentile "of Damascus" ("a proselyte of the gate") who "ate the crumbs."
3. He was disinherited (to become a beggar) but he remained faithful to Abraham and God.
4. When this earthly life was over, he received Abraham’s inheritance
after all (he was in Abraham’s bosom) — in "everlasting habitations."
5. The Rich Man of the Parable was Judah. This son of Jacob had five literal brothers as did the Rich Man.
6. He was also a literal son of Abraham, while Eleazar (Lazarus) was not!
7. The Rich Man (Judah) also had the kingship (purple) and the priesthood (linen).
8. Yet Judah (representing God on this earth) was not the true steward of the Abrahamic blessings.
9. Though he and his literal brothers had been graced with the "oracles of God" (the Old Testament)
they would not respond to the One resurrected from the dead (Christ).
10. The "great gulf" was the Jordan rift valley the dividing line between Gentile lands
and the Holyland of promise (Abraham’s inheritance).
Crossing the Jordan was a typical figure recognized by the Jews as a symbol of salvation.
Once these factors are recognized, all the points in the parable (with its context)
fit perfectly to give us some simple but profound teachings of Christ.
It shows that the physical promises of God (though excellent) are very inferior to the
spiritual redemption that anyone (Jew or Gentile) can have in Christ.
The Real Meaning of Lazarus and the Rich Man
The ancient philosophers taught that man is essentially an immortal spiritual “soul” housed in
a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible, immaterial
“immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever.
At death, according to the speculation of the ancients, the soul leaves the body and journeys
to a nebulous realm, possibly paradise or a place of punishment. The body, they observed,
goes to the grave.
the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal
exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian
and Egyptian views were strangely blended” .
The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!
a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible, immaterial
“immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever.
At death, according to the speculation of the ancients, the soul leaves the body and journeys
to a nebulous realm, possibly paradise or a place of punishment. The body, they observed,
goes to the grave.
the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal
exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian
and Egyptian views were strangely blended” .
The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!
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Hello prove-all
First of all, there is nothing in the scripture that links the Lazarus of Luke 16 with Abraham's steward. It is subjective and therefore simply implied. Second, the rich man and Lazarus is not a parable nor does it even read like a parable. It was an actual event that took place revealed by the Lord prior to his appearing in the flesh. The event reveals many things, one being that there is literal punishment after death for those who died without faith and that once there, there is no coming back. When the rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus back upon the earth to warn his brothers, he said that they have Moses and the prophets i.e. they have the word of God to warn them, just as people do today, but ignore. The basic meaning of this event of why the Lord revealed this is, don't be like the rich man or you will end up in the same place and condemned as he is.
First of all, there is nothing in the scripture that links the Lazarus of Luke 16 with Abraham's steward. It is subjective and therefore simply implied. Second, the rich man and Lazarus is not a parable nor does it even read like a parable. It was an actual event that took place revealed by the Lord prior to his appearing in the flesh. The event reveals many things, one being that there is literal punishment after death for those who died without faith and that once there, there is no coming back. When the rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus back upon the earth to warn his brothers, he said that they have Moses and the prophets i.e. they have the word of God to warn them, just as people do today, but ignore. The basic meaning of this event of why the Lord revealed this is, don't be like the rich man or you will end up in the same place and condemned as he is.
The above are all the false teachings of men! The event of the rich man and Lazarus means exactly what it says. It is not a parable representing any of those things mentioned above. The great gulf or chasm that separated the place of paradise from the place of torment, was not representing the Jordan rift valley, but an actual chasm separating the two places.
All that you have done above, is to repeat false teachings. The real meaning of the rich man and Lazarus can be determined by reading and believing the literal context of what is written.
Please Stop symbolizing, parabolizing and allegorizing the literal word of God.
All that you have done above, is to repeat false teachings. The real meaning of the rich man and Lazarus can be determined by reading and believing the literal context of what is written.
Please Stop symbolizing, parabolizing and allegorizing the literal word of God.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
No one goes to heaven, Christ returns to the earth and after the Millennium and GWTJ, the Father comes to earth.
Not just non-Christians, ALL...
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Note the time frame? The dead in Christ rise AT HIS COMING. As for all who are dead now...
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
All are unconscious until the resurrection(s), there are three.
The Bible doesn't say much about this but let's see if we can find anything that indicates animal/spirit life...
2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
These are just a very few scriptures concerning these three subjects, I would recommend that you use a concordance and study these subjects yourself.
Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
No one goes to heaven, Christ returns to the earth and after the Millennium and GWTJ, the Father comes to earth.
Not just non-Christians, ALL...
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Note the time frame? The dead in Christ rise AT HIS COMING. As for all who are dead now...
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
All are unconscious until the resurrection(s), there are three.
The Bible doesn't say much about this but let's see if we can find anything that indicates animal/spirit life...
2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
These are just a very few scriptures concerning these three subjects, I would recommend that you use a concordance and study these subjects yourself.