Gay and Lesbian Announcement: Once Saved Always Saved
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https://youtu.be/_8ZgSHK6tdA This is a testimony of Matthew Vines a gay activist that has debated Dr. Michael Brown on the subject "Can You Be Gay and Christian" (practicing gay)-----Matthew has a compelling testimony---saved a 3---accepted Jesus into his heart---continued to have Christ in his heart until at least 12----The first 15 minutes of his testimony will give you these basic facts---I am sure he would be offended if you were to suggest he is not saved---what say you?----remember this is not a tirade against gays-----we are to seek there salvation just like all that are lost---point is----when do people lose their salvation (if you say he hasn't then we must look at 1 Corinthians 6:9----something to think about?
The truth is in order to be saved we must truly and honestly want nothing to do with sin,and mean it,God knows the heart,and be sorry for our sins,and want to abstain from sin,and mean it,God knows the heart.
Nobody can be truly saved unless they turn away from all sins,not wanting to do them,knowing how much God does not like it.
And if we sin later on it can always be forgiven,but to live in sin will be something on your record,and the blood of Christ cannot wash it away while they hold unto that sin.
If a person does give up homosexuality,and goes back to it,holding unto it,it will be on their record,and the sin not blotted out,until they repent and not want it anymore,God knows the heart,you are not going to fool Him.
All sin can be forgiven,but if we hold unto a sin it is on our record until we get rid of it,not wanting the sin anymore.
Once saved always saved does not make sense in light of the scriptures,and people that say sin does not affect our relationship with God is wrong,and the Bible says that those who name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,not a suggestion to depart from iniquity,but to depart from iniquity,which there is no excuse because a Spirit led life will abstain from sin,why,because you are led of the Spirit and not the flesh.
That is what happened to the people that said Lord,Lord,why can't we dwell with you,and Jesus will say because you were workers of iniquity,for those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,led by the Spirit,but they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never coming to the truth that they have to abstain from sin by the power thereof,the Holy Spirit.
If a person is saved,and gives up sin,and means it,no homosexuality,but goes back to it and lives that lifestyle,they are back in the position of not being saved,for the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away if they hold unto that sin.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hold unto a sin,the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,for how can the blood of Christ wash it away if a person holds unto it,not wanting to give it up.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
If they are saved,but go back to the old lifestyle of sin,and hold unto it,it would have been better that they had not known the truth,than to receive the truth and go back to the old lifestyle.If they are homosexual,and give it up,and go back to it,it is wrong and they are not right with God.
Give up sin,do not hold unto any sin,and stop playing your silly games like it is alright despite your rebelliousness.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
If a person gives up all sin,not wanting sin,and means it,but goes back to it,and holds unto it,they have erred from the truth,and need to be converted again by giving up all their sins,and in the position of holding unto sin their soul is in danger.
Nobody can be truly saved unless they turn away from all sins,not wanting to do them,knowing how much God does not like it.
And if we sin later on it can always be forgiven,but to live in sin will be something on your record,and the blood of Christ cannot wash it away while they hold unto that sin.
If a person does give up homosexuality,and goes back to it,holding unto it,it will be on their record,and the sin not blotted out,until they repent and not want it anymore,God knows the heart,you are not going to fool Him.
All sin can be forgiven,but if we hold unto a sin it is on our record until we get rid of it,not wanting the sin anymore.
Once saved always saved does not make sense in light of the scriptures,and people that say sin does not affect our relationship with God is wrong,and the Bible says that those who name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,not a suggestion to depart from iniquity,but to depart from iniquity,which there is no excuse because a Spirit led life will abstain from sin,why,because you are led of the Spirit and not the flesh.
That is what happened to the people that said Lord,Lord,why can't we dwell with you,and Jesus will say because you were workers of iniquity,for those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,led by the Spirit,but they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never coming to the truth that they have to abstain from sin by the power thereof,the Holy Spirit.
If a person is saved,and gives up sin,and means it,no homosexuality,but goes back to it and lives that lifestyle,they are back in the position of not being saved,for the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away if they hold unto that sin.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hold unto a sin,the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,for how can the blood of Christ wash it away if a person holds unto it,not wanting to give it up.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
If they are saved,but go back to the old lifestyle of sin,and hold unto it,it would have been better that they had not known the truth,than to receive the truth and go back to the old lifestyle.If they are homosexual,and give it up,and go back to it,it is wrong and they are not right with God.
Give up sin,do not hold unto any sin,and stop playing your silly games like it is alright despite your rebelliousness.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
If a person gives up all sin,not wanting sin,and means it,but goes back to it,and holds unto it,they have erred from the truth,and need to be converted again by giving up all their sins,and in the position of holding unto sin their soul is in danger.
Yes it is good you have retracted your stance to one that is Biblical.. Religon never evloves..
Love is telling a sinner that his sin is sin.. Love is Not embracing and cheering for a sinner in their sin.. Love is telling them that their sin is an abomination to God and is leading them to the eternal Lake of fire.. People like you who do your best never to upset a sinner but prefer to keep them in the dark and let them die without them feeling conviction of the world of God, never having acknowledged their sin to God and sought His atonement are a curse to them..
The Holy Spirit inspires change in them when we give them the truth of God.. So they can be lifted by God over that wall that seperates them from God..
NO.. Did i ever say that anyone should be stoned??? Go back and read my posts i challenge you to quote where i stated that someone should be stoned.. I never have said such a thing and it is abusive of you towards me and others in this forum insinuating that is our position..
You think it is oppression to warn people of the eternal consequence of the path that they are on in this life????? No.. It is loving to give a person heading for disaster warning of their path.. Nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise..
If they want to be guided in the right way they will listen to the warning and believe when they are told that their sin is an abomination to God and they need the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to have their sins forgiven..
People like you are not talking about them being Loved.. You are talking about them being Approved in their sin.. People like you are here to dissuade Christians who do love them from giving them the truth that will see them saved..
Even if a person is not loved by their parents they can still be saved.. Many people who where raised in very negative circumstances have come to believe and be very close to their perfect Loving Father in heaven because they had no love from their dad on earth..
Love is telling a sinner that his sin is sin.. Love is Not embracing and cheering for a sinner in their sin.. Love is telling them that their sin is an abomination to God and is leading them to the eternal Lake of fire.. People like you who do your best never to upset a sinner but prefer to keep them in the dark and let them die without them feeling conviction of the world of God, never having acknowledged their sin to God and sought His atonement are a curse to them..
The Holy Spirit inspires change in them when we give them the truth of God.. So they can be lifted by God over that wall that seperates them from God..
NO.. Did i ever say that anyone should be stoned??? Go back and read my posts i challenge you to quote where i stated that someone should be stoned.. I never have said such a thing and it is abusive of you towards me and others in this forum insinuating that is our position..
You think it is oppression to warn people of the eternal consequence of the path that they are on in this life????? No.. It is loving to give a person heading for disaster warning of their path.. Nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise..
If they want to be guided in the right way they will listen to the warning and believe when they are told that their sin is an abomination to God and they need the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to have their sins forgiven..
People like you are not talking about them being Loved.. You are talking about them being Approved in their sin.. People like you are here to dissuade Christians who do love them from giving them the truth that will see them saved..
Even if a person is not loved by their parents they can still be saved.. Many people who where raised in very negative circumstances have come to believe and be very close to their perfect Loving Father in heaven because they had no love from their dad on earth..
W
I would guess that he is saved. But who really knows other than God?
Any of us that don't live the christian way of life is destined for discipline,loss of reward,no chance to glorify the Lord and even the sin unto death(physical.)
And hey we live in a religion based world. So I see it as the humor of God to discipline a believer who doesn't live the Christian way of life by a religious prig who thinks they are saved by their own "moral" life.
Any of us that don't live the christian way of life is destined for discipline,loss of reward,no chance to glorify the Lord and even the sin unto death(physical.)
And hey we live in a religion based world. So I see it as the humor of God to discipline a believer who doesn't live the Christian way of life by a religious prig who thinks they are saved by their own "moral" life.
That's called "Fiction".
What you just described has never happened and never will.
Dude was never 'Born Again' to begin with... and whatever 'Abiding Spirit' he had, it wasn't the Holy Ghost that's for sure.
God knows the End from the Beginning.
Therefore your hypothesis is false to begin with.
What you just described has never happened and never will.
Dude was never 'Born Again' to begin with... and whatever 'Abiding Spirit' he had, it wasn't the Holy Ghost that's for sure.
God knows the End from the Beginning.
Therefore your hypothesis is false to begin with.
****this is a serious issue---only the truth can set us free----when we have accepted Christ and walk in the Spirit this has little to do with salvation through a moral life----good works naturally follow true faith----so you personally believe a practicing homosexual is still saved-----I think it is possible too for a while---God will start to deal with us----think about King David after he committed adultery and had Uriah killed-----he was worthy of death----I don't think God rejected him----he sent Nathan the prophet to deal with him---"you are the man" David repents...
***check out this testimony by Matthew Vines...
https://youtu.be/_8ZgSHK6tdA
https://youtu.be/_8ZgSHK6tdA
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 10:26). Surrendering and openly accepting sin is tantamount to turning your back on God. Starting a church which endorses the gay life style is the opposite of; "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" Leviticus 18:22). Embracing what God finds abominable kind of puts the brakes on osas.. jmo
W
Jesus spoke of this same condition in the parable of the wondering spirit
Luke 11 24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. [TABLE="width: 100%"]
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He becomes the 8th, the son of perdition and is virtually impossible to restored again in repentance
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He becomes the 8th, the son of perdition and is virtually impossible to restored again in repentance
Those who are tempted, but choose to repent of their sins and follow Him can be saved, yes. Being tempted by anything in no way keeps you from Him, even He was tempted.
Even those who fall back and do what they know they are not to do can repent and keep following Him, we do not nullify grace.
But those who refuse to repent, and continue in what they know is wrong, the Bible makes it clear. We cannot both live in sin and expect to be saved because we believe in Jesus Christ.
We are told all over the Bible to repent.
Even those who fall back and do what they know they are not to do can repent and keep following Him, we do not nullify grace.
But those who refuse to repent, and continue in what they know is wrong, the Bible makes it clear. We cannot both live in sin and expect to be saved because we believe in Jesus Christ.
We are told all over the Bible to repent.
It seems you indirectly acknowledge you still sin, though you don't commit sexual sins. If I'm reading you correctly then I appreciate and respect your honesty; it's certainly a breath of fresh air when compared to the works Salvationists who state they don't sin at all -- zero, zip, nodda. even those mistakes in judgment and moments of anger and ignorance, which I make all the time.
In no way do I advocate sinning at will so grace can abound all the more, but I believe God's saving grace in Jesus is more powerful than the power of all our sins, sexual or non sexual, and that Christians are covered by the blood of Christ in full. I pray the Holy Spirit keeps me in Truth, and may your words enlighten me one way or another.
In no way do I advocate sinning at will so grace can abound all the more, but I believe God's saving grace in Jesus is more powerful than the power of all our sins, sexual or non sexual, and that Christians are covered by the blood of Christ in full. I pray the Holy Spirit keeps me in Truth, and may your words enlighten me one way or another.
You're wrong bro, and that's not a slap in your face, its a proclamation to the glory of God in Jesus. His mission has been complete.
He Commands we love God and neighbor with our entire being, and we are to live glorifying lives through word and action, but He understands our weaknesses and shortfalls. We are not to take His grace lightly, but we are also not to minimize the power and authority of His saving grace.
He Commands we love God and neighbor with our entire being, and we are to live glorifying lives through word and action, but He understands our weaknesses and shortfalls. We are not to take His grace lightly, but we are also not to minimize the power and authority of His saving grace.
W
Paul said those that partake of the vile sins of the flesh like murder, rape, fornication, lying, stealing, extortion, idolatry, adultery, profane language, covertness, gossiping busy bodies, vile jesting, riotous, despisers of those that to good, etc. will not inherit the kingdom of God...Their were many people mentioned in the bible who were not sinners. Were they as perfect as Jesus? No...They had sins of ignorance, human flaws, not all perfect knowledge, a moment of doubt, but I can guarantee you that Job had no vile sins of the flesh that would disqualify him, nor did Zacharias and Elisabeth. Yet we know despite of Zacharias being perfect and keeping ALL the commandments of God he still had sins of ignorance and a moment of doubt, so he was chastised by God and spoke not for 6 months until John was born....God does not chastise for willful sin. The day of atonement in the OT was not for wilful sins of the flesh, those people were not around for the day of atonement. None qualify their statement when using the loose term "sinless perfection", they seem to imply that one has to be as perfect as God to be sinless. That's simply not true, the bible is full of perfect people that NEVER engaged in the vile sins of the flesh...Joseph, Hana, and Daniel are good examples but they were not as perfect as Jesus, they just obeyed God with all there own mind, heart, and soul, not Jesus's mind, heart, and soul. One is only accountable to the measure they have not someone else's measure..
Let's have a look at it.....
21Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Now, how many times do we forgive one who adamantly sins & rebels against God?
21Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Now, how many times do we forgive one who adamantly sins & rebels against God?