I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.,

[sevenseas]

I see it as him saying the grace of God is what empowers us to stop sin..

ie, we are not under law but grace.. Where as the law increases sin, Grace allows us to recieve Gods love so we can love others. in that, sin decreases..

but yeah, People see it different ways

I think that might be the way he meant it

see, I would say what I wrote above, but then reading his comment over again, I'm thinking well, hold on now it seems to say what you are saying

I guess if you are hunting for something to find wrong, you can find it

people are so sad and I'm sad to think I'm one

 

[sevenseas]

Also, have you noticed that several people have stated that I called Joseph Prince a heretic in my posts?

READ THEM..... I never said that..... yet.

did you say it somewhere else?

I'm asking, because this does not seem to be anyone's first walk in the woods here

 

[Angela53510]

I confess! I am the one who on page one went carefully through the devotional, and in one post, delved into the false, post-modern eisegesis of the OP. I quoted the ACTUAL meanings of the words, not the made up, twisted ones used in the OP. In the other post, I did an analysis of the true meaning of Hebrews 8:10-12.

Post modernism is a term that advances moral relativism. It means, like many seem to think in this thread, that you can make up your own meanings for words, and totally reject the Biblical witness. It is a secular term, of course, but it pervades this entire Word Faith and JP movement. Say what you FEEL the HS is telling you. Don't worry about TRADITION (there's a word used over and over by certain people in this thread!), because tradition is binding and dead. And certainly don't worry about twisting the Bible, if it FEELS Holy Spirit led to do so. Let's leave behind the fact that words have meanings, and we should not redefine them to suit our feelings or twisted theology. Just keep on supporting a man who continually demeans the entire gospel, and forgiveness for sins, and salvation!

Here is part of Merriam-Webster's definition for post-modernism:

"of, relating to, or being a theory that analysis a radical reappraisal of modern assumptions about culture, identity, history, or language postmodern feminism"

Note the word "language" and the example - postmodern feminism. You know the pro-abortionists marching all over the world, for more "rights" and forgetting about the women in the world who actually have no rights. They have redefined feminism to mean what they want, so even the original feminists are shocked.

Well, I am shocked at how many post modernists are on here, following a secular TRADITION. This movement is NOT new, it goes back to the 1880's. But it has taken over secular society, where how you FEEL is more important than the facts.

We have poeple redefining not just the definitions of Greek words (and remember, the OP started this!), but the meaning of the gospel. There are just too many posts for me to answer them all, and to show the errors.

I do remember one person quoting 1 John 1:7 as a proof text for his support of JP. But let us look at the context.


"5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:5-10

Right after verse 7, comes verse 8 - IF WE CLAIM TO BE WITHOUT SIN, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.

So all these claims that once we are saved we are perfect, is the WORST sort of eisegesis, in any language! And all these claims, that we don't need to worry about sin, is a total and unbiblical lie! And don't forget verse 10, either.

IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR, AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US.

Wow! Some people will twist, lie, make up definitions or anything they please, to prove their point! That is the essence of Joseph Prince. And I will be contacting the owner of this site, to pass on my extreme displeasure and allowing these ridiculous devotions which are not the gospel, and lead people astray!

PS. No one has actually undertaken to prove my exegesis of the words is wrong, besides quoting the very words I just debunked! No one has tried to show why my commentary is wrong, and JP's is right. JP is post modern, he makes things up as he goes along. And the abandoned sheep keep straying from the sheepfold, and follow this trickster and liar. So sad for those of you who have fallen into the secular tradition, of thinking that something NEW, regardless of whether it is right and true, is better than believing the real truth of the Bible!

PPS. This whole hypergrace and JP movement was supposed to be banned. Why? Because it causes such division and fighting. It does not enrich our lives. It does not give us new insight into following Christ, through the power of the Holy Spirit. It is a lie from the pit of hell. Don't be used by this terrible tradition, and fall into the lies which lead to perdition.

 

[Angela53510]

did you say it somewhere else?

I'm asking, because this does not seem to be anyone's first walk in the woods here

Sorry, I am the one who called Joseph Prince a heretic, don't blame Stephen. I did it on the basis of my anaylsis of this OP, and many others that Joanie-Marie has posted. He completely and utterly veers far from the gospel, into a kind of feel good, happy to be saved, and wanting more material goods and health, than the bible ever claims to offer.

Funny, I thought you were against the Word Faith doctrine. I guess that changed since you came back!

 

[joaniemarie]

Prince believes that God WILL NOT JUDGE America because of the cross. (p.49)

We are living in a time when Jesus is calling sinners to come home. He did not come to the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved. God's love and mercy is being offered. The Gospel message is the good news. When bad things happen in the world it's because of sin but judgment is not here yet.

When floods and famine and wars and rumors of wars happen it's because of sin in the world not God's judgment. God is sending us out to share the good news of Jesus Christ and that He has taken our judgment and paid for our sins. That people can be saved from the coming judgment if they receive Jesus Christ as Savior. It has not come yet. There is still time.

So no, America is not being judged yet but will be for sure just like the rest of the world. There is more time to get the Gospel the good news of Jesus Christ. Judgment will come such as the world has never seen. We are the salt in the world., we are lights in the darkness. When we leave so will the Holy Spirit and that evil one will be revealed. There is still time before judgment falls.

 

[sevenseas]

Amen. We are athletes running a race, by the rules with an objective.
Christ calls us to learn how to love.

Now I used to think fine, loving is fine.
But now I know the trouble with loving is getting hurt. And when the hurt gets
too much we tend to stop loving and withdraw and lick our wounds.

I remember openning up to a relative, and I got mauled.
It was not a nice experience, and made me think twice about being sympathetic.

But Christ says if you love, accept mauling is part of the process and is not important,
because you know God loves you and has a place for you in heaven.

Does a parent worry about the kid who has lost it from hurting them?
No. You bundle up the kid and put them where they are safe and cannot hurt themselves
or anyone else and let it all calm down. Then you walk through it all.

After a long time of God doing this to us, we finally learn what we are like and what our
boundaries are, and how in love we can behave. So it takes time to follow, to learn, to
listen both to God and to ourselves. And our family are the people of God, and thank you
people of God for loving me, it brings joy to my heart, so God bless you.

so why does love hurt?

I would put the thought to you, that some reasons it hurts is disappointment in the one we love, expectations not met, and the thought that if we give, surely we will get back. That would be funny if it didn't hurt. But drawing back is the reaction to that pain, as you say

I've been mauled and probably most of us have. I found another way to deal with pain after being hurt enough. I got angry instead. Ask me how that turned out. It made people shut up though.

After a long time of God doing this to us, we finally learn what we are like and what our
boundaries are, and how in love we can behave. So it takes time to follow, to learn, to
listen both to God and to ourselves. And our family are the people of God, and thank you
people of God for loving me, it brings joy to my heart, so God bless you.

good analysis. and the final outcome should be extending the same to others. you give and do not expect anything back

I have found myself lately, in praying about things, realizing that even though I might be taken aback, oh who am I kidding, downright angry and hurt at the way I perceive myself treated, that I need to figure into the equation what the other person might be feeling

I think it is like God putting His hand on my shoulder and saying 'well, did you consider what might be going on with them?' just an awareness in my spirit or mind that actually makes me think about it

when we react instead of being in control, we can do alot of harm I think

 

[willybob]

Joseph Prince is part a part of the 501 army of false preachers, there are literally 1000s upon 1000s of them, those that love to have their ears tickled are given the key to open the bottomless pit and release these locusts, they are driven by every wind of false doctrine and become so thick in the sky that the light of the gospel can no longer shine through, they eat up every green thing and leave the whole land (church) desolate, (the feast of devils, wear the vultures gather said Jesus) the smoke that ascends from the pit is God's wrath upon the children of disobedience... they are merchandizing the souls of 100s of millions, subverting whole households said Peter.....

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] in this verse God is defining exactly what forgiveness is (for those of us who may want to know what God's standard for forgiveness is).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Joseph Prince is part a part of the 501 army of false preachers, there are literally 1000s upon 1000s of them, those that love to have their ears tickled are given the key to open the bottomless pit and release these locusts, they are driven by every wind of false doctrine and become so thick in the sky that the light of the gospel can no longer shine through, they eat up every green thing and leave the whole land (church) desolate, (the feast of devils, wear the vultures gather said Jesus) the smoke that ascends from the pit is God's wrath upon the children of disobedience... they are merchandizing the souls of 100s of millions, subverting whole households said Peter.....

what dies that have to do with the OP?

and Can you prove it? All I see is attack. do you have actuall proof? Or are you just going off what everyone else said?

 

[sevenseas]

Joseph Prince is part a part of the 501 army of false preachers, there are literally 1000s upon 1000s of them, those that love to have their ears tickled are given the key to open the bottomless pit and release these locusts, they are driven by every wind of false doctrine and become so thick in the sky that the light of the gospel can no longer shine through, they eat up every green thing and leave the whole land (church) desolate, (the feast of devils, wear the vultures gather said Jesus) the smoke that ascends from the pit is God's wrath upon the children of disobedience... they are merchandizing the souls of 100s of millions, subverting whole households said Peter.....

that's really scary

I am more worried about the fact that Christians cannot seem to stand each other

frankly, I find Christians the worst people on the planet

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that's really scary

I am more worried about the fact that Christians cannot seem to stand each other

frankly, I find Christians the worst people on the planet

sadly, I have heard this from far to many people. and I would have to agree..

 

[willybob]

:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
For those that come to the light and reason with God, forsake their evil ways in the baptism of repentance, coming clean with Him, they shall find mercy and forgiveness (the free gift), and their sins shall be remember no more , Isaiah 1-18-20, but this will by no means clear the sinful and unrepented for He is a Jealous God Exodus 34....

The New Testament and atoning blood of Christ justified Gods' mercy that He always wanted to dispense upon the repented and mournful that hunger and thirst for righteousness...

 

[willybob]

that's really scary

I am more worried about the fact that Christians cannot seem to stand each other

frankly, I find Christians the worst people on the planet

The wrath of God is upon the children of disobedience, and yes indeed it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God's judgement..The bible warns of it on almost every page..

 

[sevenseas]

sadly, I have heard this from far to many people. and I would have to agree..

I actually have bookmarked a blog I want to get back to in which the author says that Christians are the worst group of people who ever lived and the author is a Christian, so I want to see what that is all about after I get finished with the other things I am currently reading

I wouldn't say something like to an unbeliever, because I don't want to make God seem as hypocritical and nasty as so many that refer to themselves as being saved

it's a dog and cat fight far too often

 

[sevenseas]

The wrath of God is upon the children of disobedience, and yes indeed it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God's judgement..The bible warns of it on almost every page..

no the Bible does not warn about the wrath of God on almost every page

utter nonsense that you would even say so

post every page and show us where almost every page talks about the wrath of God and while you are performing that hopeless task, we'll move on

get back to us when you have managed to prove yourself true, which will be never but you better get started cause I expect you to provide proof of what you say otherwise it is just hot air

 

[sevenseas]

the things some people say as if because they said it, it must be true

I could scream LOL!

 

[willybob]

what dies that have to do with the OP?

and Can you prove it? All I see is attack. do you have actuall proof? Or are you just going off what everyone else said?

He is 501 and part of the whole merchandizing cabal ...You have little to no discernment to identify false prophets, thus they will continue to feast upon you and many others...very sad,............the sky is darkened by 10s of thousands of them. Wondering clouds without water, dry cisterns, blown by every wind of false doctrine that the people desire and will pay for........They own the radio ways, the TV ways, the Christian Book stores, they own it all, that none can now buy or sell (a metaphor for exchange) the gospel of repentance and holiness.....

 

[Grace777x70]

People are entitled to their own beliefs about 1 John 1. I won't call them names or a heretic and insult them because they have a different opinion. Here is how lot's of believers in the grace of God shown in Christ's finished work on the cross believe about 1 John 1.

Pay attention to the ..we and our and the you in 1 John chapter 1



"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we (believers - namely John ) have looked at and our hands have touched - this we proclaim concerning the Word of Life"

(I John 1:1).
In other words, John is establishing that he was an eyewitness to the fact that Jesus truly did come in the flesh. He did this to convince the Gnostics that Jesus was not an illusion.

"We ( believers - including John himself ) proclaim to you (unbelievers - gnostics ) what we have seen and heard, so that you (unbelievers - gnostics )also may have fellowship with us ( believers ). And our(believers ) fellowship is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ" (verse 3).

This verse says two things. First, John repeats the fact that he, the rest of the apostles and other people saw Christ in the flesh. He wanted the Gnostics ( unbelievers ) to realize that there were many people who could testify to the reality of Christ.

Second, he is saying that there are some people in the audience who were not in the fellowship with Christ. ( just like we do now in all churches....there are both types of people )

"This is the message we ( believers ) have heard from Him and declare to you ( unbelievers ): God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all" (verse 5).

John's message in this verse is clear: God is light and in Him there is no darkness. We are either in the light (saved) or in darkness (lost). Scriptures are full of this comparison between light (saved) vs. darkness (lost).


"If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (verse 6).

In other words, if someone says he has fellowship with Christ, but is walking in darkness (lost), he is lying and not practicing the truth. The Gnostics ( not true believers ) claimed to be in fellowship with Christ (saved), and yet were actually living a lie and therefore weren't practicing the truth.

"If we ( believers )walk in the light, as He is in the light,we ( believers ) have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us ( believers ) from all sin"(verse 7).

In other words, if we walk in the light (are saved) we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin. To put it another way, once we are saved, we are permanently in the fellowship because the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin.

Therefore, we aren't forgiven because we confess our sins. We are forgiven because of what Christ did for us on the cross.

"If we ( John putting all of us in the same boat before coming to Christ ) claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (verse 8).

John is now addressing the belief the Gnostics had regarding sin because they didn't believe it was real and therefore believed they had no sin. The "we" John is using here refers to all people before coming to Christ including all believers too which "we" had to acknowledge at some point in our lives.

He is referring specifically to the Gnostics, who believed they were without sin. Because they claimed to be without sin, then they were only deceiving themselves and the truth (Jesus) was not in them.

However, verse 9 says that "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

In other words, if the Gnostics were to confess they had sins, then God, Who is faithful and righteous, would forgive and cleanse them from their unrighteousness.

The word "all" used in these verses means all. It doesn't mean that we are cleansed of our past sins and our past unrighteousness, it means we were cleansed of all our unrighteousness. And if God cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we are cleansed forever!

"If we claim we ( all of us were in this boat at one time ) have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives" (verse 10).

Basically this verse is a repeat of verse 8. To put it simply, it means that the Gnostics can't claim to be without sin and yet be saved. John is saying that because the Gnostics claimed they had no sin, they were actually calling God a liar and therefore didn't know the truth.

The purpose of the first chapter of 1 John was to compare the truth of God to the error of gnosticism. John was addressing the Gnostics, who were deceived by their own teaching. He wanted the Gnostics to understand that what they believed conflicted with what God said. He was not, however, addressing believers.

However we can all learn from all scriptures including 1 John 1 - I especially love the truth of verse 7 - the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him.

 

[sevenseas]

He is 501 and part of the whole merchandizing cabal ...You have little to no discernment to identify false prophets, thus they will continue to feast upon you and many others...very sad,............the sky is darkened by 10s of thousands of them. Wondering clouds without water, dry cisterns, blown by every wind of false doctrine that the people desire and will pay for........They own the radio ways, the TV ways, the Christian Book stores, they own it all, that none can now buy or sell (a metaphor for exchange) the gospel of repentance and holiness.....

sounds like a conspiracy

or do you just normally go off like this?

 

[Grace777x70]

I actually have bookmarked a blog I want to get back to in which the author says that Christians are the worst group of people who ever lived and the author is a Christian, so I want to see what that is all about after I get finished with the other things I am currently reading

I wouldn't say something like to an unbeliever, because I don't want to make God seem as hypocritical and nasty as so many that refer to themselves as being saved

it's a dog and cat fight far too often

Even non-Christians can see the works of the flesh being manifested in us. The malice and slandering of others in the body of Christ is unbelieveable here in CC.

They bite and devour each other and think they are "defending the faith" when they could just be "defending their own church traditions and beliefs".