The Lord's Supper
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I think if you take all three accounts into account there is a possibility that Judas left before they partook of the actual ceremony....and regardless....I chose not to based upon my personal conviction at that moment......and to be honest....a rarity around here....this was in 92 and I was high as kite (still smoking weed at that time) and I chose to stay seated.
and let every man be persuaded in his own mind.....I suppose......
and let every man be persuaded in his own mind.....I suppose......
I honestly feel that rather than threatening us with sickness or death for participating in Communion while high, stoned, or drunk or in some other state that had us feeling pretty low about our worthiness to draw nearer to Jesus, our Savior would hope and desire that of ALL times, we would fall into His arms when we needed Him most.... NOT refrain from seeking Him, and running to Him, out of a deep inculcated fear that He was just waiting for us to screw up like that so He could justifiably kill us.
Willie - what Paul is implying is not fear or a threat.
I understand you have a single mindset but once stuck in this everything will look
one way, or the other. It is why a single or bipolar view limits our realisation of
complex situations.
A simple thing is sitting down as a family to eat breakfast. Now you could say this
is a legalist ceremony of fellowship or a sharing of common experience and to make
contact and enable members of the family to share about their day to come and
work together, encourage one another and help with problems as well as just enjoy
sharing a meal.
Now if this is just a legalistic ceremony, then breaking it is freedom, and insisting it
is a good idea is legalism. But this is just a wrong perspective and a wrong view of
benefits and flows in the people and their relationships.
The celebration of the Lords supper is no different. As in families with the wrong attitudes
coming together can be not advisable, but in a loving community, it is the power of them,
especially if the coming together is a celebration of the chore faith of the group.
So I just say Praise the Lord for love, caution and encouragement.
I understand you have a single mindset but once stuck in this everything will look
one way, or the other. It is why a single or bipolar view limits our realisation of
complex situations.
A simple thing is sitting down as a family to eat breakfast. Now you could say this
is a legalist ceremony of fellowship or a sharing of common experience and to make
contact and enable members of the family to share about their day to come and
work together, encourage one another and help with problems as well as just enjoy
sharing a meal.
Now if this is just a legalistic ceremony, then breaking it is freedom, and insisting it
is a good idea is legalism. But this is just a wrong perspective and a wrong view of
benefits and flows in the people and their relationships.
The celebration of the Lords supper is no different. As in families with the wrong attitudes
coming together can be not advisable, but in a loving community, it is the power of them,
especially if the coming together is a celebration of the chore faith of the group.
So I just say Praise the Lord for love, caution and encouragement.
Back in the early 1980's my husband was at a training school for his job in eastern Canada. My husband takes God very seriously. He got a ride to a church he often went to, and it was communion. He examined his heart, and took communion.
Well, he got incredibly sick that night. He phoned me fearing that he was dying. I told him to go to the hospital, but he told me he must have somehow taken communion unworthily.
The next day, he found out the meal he had at the school had food poisoning, and almost everyone in the school became very ill.
Sadly, he would not take communion for literally decades after that.
So there is a line between taking communion legalistically, and the other extreme of not taking it seriously enough. It is a sacred way to remember all that Jesus has done for us. We do need to come before God, make wrongs right, and confess our sins.
But, we should not live in fear of taking communion unworthily. God wants us to celebrate all he has done, but we need to make sure our hearts are right!
Well, he got incredibly sick that night. He phoned me fearing that he was dying. I told him to go to the hospital, but he told me he must have somehow taken communion unworthily.
The next day, he found out the meal he had at the school had food poisoning, and almost everyone in the school became very ill.
Sadly, he would not take communion for literally decades after that.
So there is a line between taking communion legalistically, and the other extreme of not taking it seriously enough. It is a sacred way to remember all that Jesus has done for us. We do need to come before God, make wrongs right, and confess our sins.
But, we should not live in fear of taking communion unworthily. God wants us to celebrate all he has done, but we need to make sure our hearts are right!
I agree....nor is it MORBID to judge yourself and decided to not partake.......nor is it right to judge those who chose not to partake just as it is not right to judge those who chose to drink coke and eat a Suzi-q
We all need to learn...Who are you/we to judge another man's servant...........
LET every man be fully persuaded in their own mind.....!
We all need to learn...Who are you/we to judge another man's servant...........
LET every man be fully persuaded in their own mind.....!
Problems with the Lords supper
If you have sensitivity to gluten, celiac disease you cannot take the bread.
It also turned out you cannot take the wine/grape juice as some contaminate this
by mistake as well.
It means you are excluded from the breaking bread because it would harm you.
I know it looks odd when some do not take communion, but it might not be for
spiritual but medical reasons,
If you have sensitivity to gluten, celiac disease you cannot take the bread.
It also turned out you cannot take the wine/grape juice as some contaminate this
by mistake as well.
It means you are excluded from the breaking bread because it would harm you.
I know it looks odd when some do not take communion, but it might not be for
spiritual but medical reasons,
I understand scripture to say that "taking it in an unworthy manner" is when we take it without being in fellowship with all the believers we are with..... this whole passage was when he was chastising the Corinthians for partaking in the meal "wrongly"... by NOT waiting on everyone to get there, for starting early, and eating and drinking the wine to the point of getting drunk.
Paul was trying to tell them "this is a meal.... a LOVE FEAST, and you should wait for the whole family to be there before you partake. Don't ignore the 'lesser' brethren... you are a FAMILY"
If you don't do that, you are taking it unworthily...
I personally think that Jesus specifically chose a meal setting... it's where families come together. Bread and wine... how simple can you get? He also said "AS OFTEN as you do this, do it in remembrance of me"..... so, to me, in a sense, whenever we are at a meal with family, we are to remember Jesus, and the greater family we are all a part of. I don't think communion is only taken in the "corporate worship assembly"...
I've mentioned this before, but our family used to go camping in Colorado every summer, and we ALWAYS took communion as a family on Sundays.... I can't count the number of times we've passed the bread and grape juice around the campfire to each other. These are memories and remembrances of family... communion.
Paul was trying to tell them "this is a meal.... a LOVE FEAST, and you should wait for the whole family to be there before you partake. Don't ignore the 'lesser' brethren... you are a FAMILY"
If you don't do that, you are taking it unworthily...
I personally think that Jesus specifically chose a meal setting... it's where families come together. Bread and wine... how simple can you get? He also said "AS OFTEN as you do this, do it in remembrance of me"..... so, to me, in a sense, whenever we are at a meal with family, we are to remember Jesus, and the greater family we are all a part of. I don't think communion is only taken in the "corporate worship assembly"...
I've mentioned this before, but our family used to go camping in Colorado every summer, and we ALWAYS took communion as a family on Sundays.... I can't count the number of times we've passed the bread and grape juice around the campfire to each other. These are memories and remembrances of family... communion.
oh, man.. thanks for that... I happened to have had two of the greatest, most God fearing parents in the world... I certainly can't measure up to them. They SHOWED us what a family should be. My dad's already gone on, and my mom is probably not too far behind.. whatever God's plan is for her..
My dad always said he wanted a brass band at his funeral... we didn't quite do that, but we all sang "When the Saints Go Marching In" at the end of his funeral service...he wanted it to be a celebration.. there were a lot of smiles, through the tears..
My dad always said he wanted a brass band at his funeral... we didn't quite do that, but we all sang "When the Saints Go Marching In" at the end of his funeral service...he wanted it to be a celebration.. there were a lot of smiles, through the tears..
