DELIVER US FROM DELIVERANCE MINISTERS

[Katy-follower]

Here is an easy read...

Lol. Double post

 

[heartofdavid]

I say " come out in the name of Jesus"

the demon says "you can't cast us out"



My response;" Jesus can,he is up to any task"

I know who my God is.

All I need is to know he is with me.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Lol. Double post

spot on

probably needed to be repeated as you can see the current desire to preach extra biblical hobby horses

 

[heartofdavid]

here is his accusation in another thread and what I said. this is what he is doing in the forums





somebody tell me how this helps anyone or why we need to keep responding to someone who seems to be desperate to be noticed?

so off topic, yet illustrates why we should not seek out demon hunters

Oh,I get it allright.
You and your friends have made it crystal clear.

Bye,bye.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus is up to any task.........

sounds like WOF

just say it and Jesus comes running

now that I think of it, pretty sure he has stated WOF beliefs elsewhere

figures

actually Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and not at your command

a lack of respect for who God actually is, is another signpost of those who seem to believe that they command God at will

 

[Ariel82]

I say " come out in the name of Jesus"

the demon says "you can't cast us out"

My response;" Jesus can,he is up to any task"

I know who my God is.

All I need is to know he is with me.

after the demon leaves, what do you do? do you leave as well or do you stick around long enough to help them heal?

do you tell them the Gospel? do you make sure they have the protection of the Holy Spirit? or do you believe your job is done with the casing out to demons?

(cooking dinner so only read these posts in between tasks)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

after the demon leaves, what do you do? do you leave as well or do you stick around long enough to help them heal?

do you tell them the Gospel? do you make sure they have the protection of the Holy Spirit? or do you believe your job is done with the casing out to demons?

(cooking dinner so only read these posts in between tasks)

since you are cooking dinner, did you miss the part where I asked people to please stay on topic?

maybe pm him if you think you really need to get to the bottom of his beliefs

I would appreciate it and I have seen you ask others to please stay on topic so I am sure you understand

I don't know why you would keep it going...it serves no purpose and he finds it entertaining that you are helping him derail

yesterday's posts were helpful...today, the entire posts have been dealing with his insertions and desire to do what so far he has done

I have no interest in his ramblings, having read enough of his hyper charasmatic renderings in other threads in which he diagnoses others with demons at will

thank you

 

[7seasrekeyed]

well its' a wash then

sorry folks...I thought it was beneficial yesterday

hopefully, some understand better now what the Bible actually states about demons and evicting them

don't play with this sort of thing...it's not a game and there are excellent scriptures posted in the thread regarding how to deal with the demonic

you might also check out the double posted link to 'got questions'

demons are real, according to the Bible, but we do not focus on them or think every 2nd person has one

the victory over these things is only in the name of Jesus

 

[Ariel82]

Here's a good writeup I found on it...

Question: "What is deliverance ministry, and is it biblical?"

Answer: The generally agreed-upon definition of “deliverance ministry” will usually focus on the casting out of demons or spirits in an attempt to solve problems related to specific demons. For example, a deliverance minister may seek to help someone overcome anger by casting out a spirit of anger. Deliverance ministries also focus on tearing down spiritual strongholds in one’s life, finding inner healing, and claiming the victory in Christ over all enemies. Many refer to soul ties, curses, and the “legal rights” of demons. Biblically, demons or evil spirits are known to be fallen angels that rebelled in heaven with Satan (Revelation 12:4, 9; Isaiah 14:12–20; Ezekiel 28:1–19).

There is certainly quite a bit in Scripture about Satan and his horde of demons. There is little said about deliverance from them, and nothing said about deliverance as a “ministry.” The offices of the church are found in Ephesians 4:11. First were the apostles and prophets, the foundation of the church—with Jesus being the Chief Corner Stone (Ephesians 2:20). Next are listed evangelists, then pastors, and teachers. The ability to cast out demons is not listed as a spiritual gift or a ministerial duty.

The Gospels and Acts relate that Jesus and the disciples cast out demons. The teaching portions of the New Testament (Romans through Jude) refer to demonic activity yet do not discuss the method of casting them out, nor are believers exhorted to do so. We are told to put on the whole armor of God to stand against spiritual wickedness (Ephesians 6:10–18). We are told to resist the devil (James 4:7) and not give him room in our lives (Ephesians 4:27). However, we are not told how to cast him or his demons out of others, or that we should even consider doing so.

It is interesting that we have no record of Jesus’ instructions to His disciples on how to cast out demons, with the possible exceptions of Matthew 12:43–45 and 17:19–21, where some insight is given. When the disciples discovered that demons were subject to them in the name and authority of Jesus, they were joyful (Luke 10:17; cf. Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:18; 19:12). But Jesus told the disciples, “Do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven” (Luke 10:20).

Rather than being given a specific “deliverance ministry,” we have an authority in the powerful name of Jesus. One day, John said to Jesus, “We saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’ Jesus said. ‘For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us’” (Mark 9:38–40). Authority over demons is clearly the power of the Lord at work, whether or not the exorcist has a special ministry of deliverance.

The emphasis in spiritual warfare is highlighted in verses such as 1 John 4:4, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world [the devil].” The victory is ours because of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. Believers can overcome their struggles with the past, habits, and addictions, because “everyone born of God overcomes the world” (1 John 5:4). We need prayer, godly counsel, and the support of a good church, but not necessarily a “deliverance minister.”

We are told to “be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith. . . . And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast” (1 Peter 5:8–10).

The key to victory in the Christian life is to be filled (controlled and empowered) with the Holy Spirit on a moment-by-moment basis (Ephesians 5:18). The Father knows who are His: “Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God” (Romans 8:14). The Holy Spirit will not indwell anyone who is not born again (John 3:3–8; 2 Timothy 2:19; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 3:16), so the first step in spiritual victory is to place our faith in Jesus Christ. Then, rejoice that Jesus is in you and you have His power and His victory.​

okay then...will find another thread to read.

 

[Joseppi]

so...are deliverance ministers genuine or not? is that an actual ministry?

Casting out of evil spirits is required of ministers.
It isn’t an office but I see no evidence that suggests ministers are prepared to minister deliverance.
There is much ignorance about ministering deliverance.
So I suspect that some ministers are simply called upon to do what other ministers avoid.

All authorities, gifts and powers given the church have been and are abused. So, I don’t think it surprising that ministers abuse ministering deliverance from evil spirits.

I think that deliverance from evil spirits today exceeds the need observed in Jesus’ ministry back then, since, the church is confronted by an enormous diversity of attacks.

The devil is quite successful today in avoiding deliverance. Basically because most saints are incredibly ignorant of the devil’s tactics.

I find your op to be useless in that it is successful at avoiding the topic. And that avoidance is typical in churches today.

 

[Ariel82]

i cam back to post that the discussion should be lead by example not dictates. if you don't follow your own requirements, why expect others to do anything but follow your example?

i thought about not saying anything because that would be the safe and polite thing to do.

however God's love is not always polite or safe. its Radical and causes changes in our hearts and minds. God would rather us be truthful than nice.

 

[Joseppi]

..."Bill pray against this"

All of a sudden I looked half up and something of the following came out of my mouth.

"I've been here since he was conceived, I have every right to be here"
Then I swore a lot at them as they prayed.

I was meant to be aborted, single Muslim girl fallen pregnant to an infidel and that child was me.
She was even on the abortion table. But baulked. Her dad insisted the doctor carry on, but he would not.
14 years after I was born, she threw me out. She never told me she loved me once and beatings were server.

Anyway the meeting ended with a meeting set up. It was late, I was very distressed and all over the place.
They said that the spirit of rejection had retreated.
So another meeting was arranged.

Alas it did not happen due to illness of my counselors.
The husband was diagnosed with cancer and the wife was admitted to hospital with severe heart problems.

You seem unaware of what Satan does to escape deliverance.

1. He attacks the notion of ministering deliverance.
2. He makes it sound complicated.
3. He promotes fear.
4. He promotes pride.
5. He pretenses a false view of devils.
6. He promotes widespread ignorance.
7. He promotes pretenses.
8. He promotes lust.
9. He promotes distraction.
10. He attacks the minister.
11. He attacks the witnesses.
12. He promotes weariness.
13. He attacks faith.
14. He’ll pay to stop it.
15. He promotes ritual.
16. He promotes faking deliverance.
17. He promotes belittling deliverance.
18. He promotes medicine.
19. He attacks testimonies of deliverance.
20. He discourages comparing notes.
22. He threatens disclosures of secrets.
23. He avoids the Holy Bible.

And on and on...ad nauseum.

Why does the devil attempt all these kinds of tactics to avoid deliverance?

Because he is afraid he’ll be seen and dealt with.

 

[Katy-follower]

spot on

probably needed to be repeated as you can see the current desire to preach extra biblical hobby horses

Sometimes on this site you feel like you're a talking parrot

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Casting out of evil spirits is required of ministers.
It isn’t an office but I see no evidence that suggests ministers are prepared to minister deliverance.
There is much ignorance about ministering deliverance.
So I suspect that some ministers are simply called upon to do what other ministers avoid.

All authorities, gifts and powers given the church have been and are abused. So, I don’t think it surprising that ministers abuse ministering deliverance from evil spirits.

I think that deliverance from evil spirits today exceeds the need observed in Jesus’ ministry back then, since, the church is confronted by an enormous diversity of attacks.

The devil is quite successful today in avoiding deliverance. Basically because most saints are incredibly ignorant of the devil’s tactics.

I find your op to be useless in that it is successful at avoiding the topic. And that avoidance is typical in churches today.

LOL!

well thanks for commenting on what you find useless

ditto

that demons exist is beyond question but the question was no about that, but about so called deliverance ministers

 

[7seasrekeyed]

i cam back to post that the discussion should be lead by example not dictates. if you don't follow your own requirements, why expect others to do anything but follow your example?

i thought about not saying anything because that would be the safe and polite thing to do.

however God's love is not always polite or safe. its Radical and causes changes in our hearts and minds. God would rather us be truthful than nice.

well that's interesting

were you going to identify his problem with all your probing?

I did not say leave and I cannot tell anyone to leave

but you do what is right for you...however you have on more than one occasion told people to stay on topic

I have no idea what you mean by following my own requirements but I do know you like to spank people when you don't agree with them which is why I avoid your threads

in fact, quite some time ago, you told a friend of mine that they had a demon...which really hurt them and they left

maybe try to explain that, but I am not really interested

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The devil is quite successful today in avoiding deliverance. Basically because most saints are incredibly ignorant of the devil’s tactics.

how's that?

actually never mind

just more personal opinions

I think this thread is pretty much done but some pretty good posts anyway IMO

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You seem unaware of what Satan does to escape deliverance.

1. He attacks the notion of ministering deliverance.
2. He makes it sound complicated.
3. He promotes fear.
4. He promotes pride.
5. He pretenses a false view of devils.
6. He promotes widespread ignorance.
7. He promotes pretenses.
8. He promotes lust.
9. He promotes distraction.
10. He attacks the minister.
11. He attacks the witnesses.
12. He promotes weariness.
13. He attacks faith.
14. He’ll pay to stop it.
15. He promotes ritual.
16. He promotes faking deliverance.
17. He promotes belittling deliverance.
18. He promotes medicine.
19. He attacks testimonies of deliverance.
20. He discourages comparing notes.
22. He threatens disclosures of secrets.
23. He avoids the Holy Bible.

And on and on...ad nauseum.

Why does the devil attempt all these kinds of tactics to avoid deliverance?

Because he is afraid he’ll be seen and dealt with.

well of course he does all that

but Bill is a person...not a mannequin trying to get your 2 cents worth

so tiresome

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Sometimes on this site you feel like you're a talking parrot

without crackers.........

 

[7seasrekeyed]

oh well

one more thing

God would rather us be truthful than nice.

I have been 100% truthful and I know others have

so I guess God is pleased at my little efforts

perhaps take care to yourself

 

[Joseppi]

LOL!

well thanks for commenting on what you find useless

ditto

that demons exist is beyond question but the question was no about that, but about so called deliverance ministers

What have you learned you didn’t already know when you posted your op?