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posthuman

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Jesus taught against the Sabbath the Pharisees created, not the Sabbath He created. He said it was lawful to do Good on this Holy day. Not ignore it.

You pretty much just ignored my post.

you keep saying this, but i still don't see how anyone can "create their own sabbath"

are you accusing the pharisees of declaring tuesdays to be 'the new seventh day' and since common people didn't know how to do simple addition they were fooled into believing it really was the seventh, not the third?

but you say the same thing about 'new moon festivals' -- and it's literally crazy talk, to say that the pharisees had made up their own new moon festivals, as though they told everyone it was new moon now, even though it was 1/4 moon, and nobody ever just looked up at the sky to check for themselves!

if what you're saying is true, why doesn't the Bible say that Christ and His apostles were always referring to tuesdays actually ((3[SUP]rd[/SUP] day, fake 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day)), not seventh day? the language is pretty clear.


You pretty much just ignored my post.

You omitted "The Sabbath was made for man".

Of course you did.

ahem.

not man for the sabbath
 

posthuman

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Jesus taught against the Sabbath the Pharisees created, not the Sabbath He created. He said it was lawful to do Good on this Holy day. Not ignore it.
or maybe Jesus isn't talking about the strict ritual observance of days, but about actual righteousness of the Spirit, which prevails over all ceremony
 

Magenta

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or maybe Jesus isn't talking about the strict ritual observance of days, but about actual righteousness of the Spirit, which prevails over all ceremony
Some people like all the pomp. And big hats, too. And pope mobiles.

My week starts on Monday, and Sunday is the last day of the weekEND.

I am not the math genius you are, but even I can
figure out that that makes Sunday the seventh day :)
 

Locutus

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Jesus rose on the first day. In keeping with the Law of the Sabbath, a day of complete rest, he could not have risen on it.
That's not necessarily true - he healed on the sabbath:

John 7:23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?
 

Studyman

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you keep saying this, but i still don't see how anyone can "create their own sabbath"

are you accusing the pharisees of declaring tuesdays to be 'the new seventh day' and since common people didn't know how to do simple addition they were fooled into believing it really was the seventh, not the third?

but you say the same thing about 'new moon festivals' -- and it's literally crazy talk, to say that the pharisees had made up their own new moon festivals, as though they told everyone it was new moon now, even though it was 1/4 moon, and nobody ever just looked up at the sky to check for themselves!

if what you're saying is true, why doesn't the Bible say that Christ and His apostles were always referring to tuesdays actually ((3[SUP]rd[/SUP] day, fake 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day)), not seventh day? the language is pretty clear.




ahem.

not man for the sabbath
God never created a Sabbath where one couldn't take a walk and eat a strawberry. This Sabbath only existed in the laws created by the children of satan, as Jesus called them, and you it seems.

God never created a Sabbath where a man was left to suffer until it was over. This Sabbath only existed in the Laws created by the children of satan, as Jesus called them, and you it seems.

Jesus is the One who said the Pharisees, "Children of satan" as He called them, were teaching for doctrines the Commandments of Men. (Not God) Therefore, according to Jesus, they were not following God's Sabbath, they were following the one they created.

I never mentioned Tuesday in any of my posts, another dishonest fabrication of your own mind.
 

Studyman

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or maybe Jesus isn't talking about the strict ritual observance of days, but about actual righteousness of the Spirit, which prevails over all ceremony
I'm sure Jesus wasn't talking about the Mainstream Preachers of His time's creation of Laws and rituals. After all He did say.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
 

MarcR

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Jesus taught against the Sabbath the Pharisees created, not the Sabbath He created. He said it was lawful to do Good on this Holy day. Not ignore it.

You pretty much just ignored my post.

You omitted "The Sabbath was made for man".

Of course you did.
Of course I ignored your post. I read it and found nothing new.

"The Sabbath was made for man" was said in defense of a Sabbath breaker not to encourage Sabbath keeping.

I had said so previously and saw no need to repeat myself; especially since you don't accept most of what I say anyway.
 

MarcR

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Your opinion based on men you chooses to trust. You can prove none of these things by the inspired Word of God. You have no evidence Jesus rose in the Middle of the night. You are wrong about His Thursday death. Jesus didn’t die on a Sabbath, He died the evening before the Sabbath, on Passover. It’s your religion spawned by a vision of your own mind. What we do know for Biblical Fact that after the weekly Sabbath, while it was yet dark, Jesus had already risen. If you want to preach He was killed on A Sabbath, you free to do so. But it’s not true.
My opinions are mostly based on my own study. I cite other commentators when I agree with them; but I'm not shy about arguing against them when I think them wrong. If someone said something I believe before I did; that does NOT mean I got it from him or her. If you look over my older posts, you will see I am very careful about citing sources.
 

MarcR

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Mary went and purchased Spices after His Death. If Thursday night had started the first day of unleavened bread then there would have no time to purchase spices as the weekly Sabbath would have begun at the end of the high Sabbath. Jesus was lain in the grave Wed. evening before the High Sabbath on Thursday. Friday they purchased spices and prepared for the weekly Sabbath, and as soon as the Sabbath was over they went to the grave and He was already gone. This truth is easy for me to accept because I’m not interested is preserving ancient Catholic traditions as you are.

3. Days. Thur. Friday sat.

3 nights Wed. Thursday Friday night. He rose just before sundown on Sat even while His Apostles were observing His Sabbath.
She could have purchased them while he was being entombed.
 

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Yes, He showed Himself on Sunday, but rose on Saturday just before the end of the day, sundown.
Agreed ! seems people are quite unable to see that by the time Jesus 'was seen walkabout' HE had to have RISEN first....just as WE do when getting up out of bed....that is rising ! not after when seen outside...for all we know someone could have been up/risen for hours before being seen or to have shown themselves.
Scripture
proves without a doubt that Yashuah rose Sabbath before sunset !
Lord of the Sabbath yesterday, today and forever !!!
 

posthuman

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for all we know someone could have been up/risen for hours before being seen or to have shown themselves.
Scripture proves without a doubt that Yashuah rose Sabbath before sunset !
do you see what you did there?
 

posthuman

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don't be too hasty PH I hope you see what YOU have done.

yes, i see that i quite intentionally drew attention to where you called inconclusive speculation on the basis of lack of certain knowledge "
proof without doubt."

and then i asked you if you noticed that this is what you had done.
 

posthuman

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God never created a Sabbath where one couldn't take a walk and eat a strawberry. This Sabbath only existed in the laws created by the children of satan, as Jesus called them, and you it seems.

God never created a Sabbath where a man was left to suffer until it was over. This Sabbath only existed in the Laws created by the children of satan, as Jesus called them, and you it seems.

Jesus is the One who said the Pharisees, "Children of satan" as He called them, were teaching for doctrines the Commandments of Men. (Not God) Therefore, according to Jesus, they were not following God's Sabbath, they were following the one they created.

I never mentioned Tuesday in any of my posts, another dishonest fabrication of your own mind.

so they did not 'create their own sabbath' -- we're definitely talking about the actual seventh day in scripture, not a 'fake man-made one'


the seventh day, where God Himself had commanded "do no work" ((Exodus 20:10)) and the same day that the first violator of was killed - by the very same God's command - for picking up sticks ((Numbers 15:32)). not some other fake sabbath, the actual one. where according to what God commanded, one would be justified in saying that the Law, God's own, not mans, forbids a person from picking up and carrying sticks. sticks that may be woven into a mat, say ((John 5:10)).


what does it mean, He is Lord of the sabbath?
 
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And 14:12 says here is the......are you one of them? Do you keep God's commandments and have the faith of Jesus Christ? Are you preaching the everlasting gospel? So if you have all this attribute let me know.
 

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The Lord was raised on the first day of the week, for those that try to say that the Lord raised on the Sabbath. It would stand to reason that the Holy Spirit would of motivated them to go to the Tomb right after the Sabbath at 6 P.M. that would of left no other option then Him raising on the Sabbath. The fact that the Holy Spirit did not motivate them to go to the Tomb until 12 hours after the Sabbath was over. He did that so that we know that He was raised on the first day of the week or as we know it Sunday. The Lord was raised on the first day of the week, for those that try to say that the Lord raised on the Sabbath. It would stand to reason that the Holy Spirit would of motivated them to go to the Tomb right after the Sabbath at 6 P.M. that would of left no other option then Him raising on the Sabbath. The fact that the Holy Spirit did not motivate them to go to the Tomb until 12 hours after the Sabbath was over. He did that so that we know that He was raised on the first day of the week or as we know it Sunday. The Roman Catholic Church was not even around when these Scriptures were being written by holy men of God being moved by the Holy Spirit to write these and they were considered Scripture in the days they were being written II Peter 3:15-18

“And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.”

The Lord eat His first meal after the resurrection on the first day of the week, then the apostles and the other disciples broke bread, gathered collection (offerings) and taught on the first day of the week (Sunday). They did do evangelism on the Sabbath in the synagogues of the Jews.

Matthew 28:1 “Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.”

Mark 16:1-2 “When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb.”

Luke 24:1 “But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.”

John 20:1 “Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”

First mean after the resurrection Luke 24:1, 21-23, 35, 41-43 “But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared…..21 But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.22 Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning,23 and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive…..35 Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread…..41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,43 and he took it and ate before them.

Acts 10:39-41 “And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree,40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear,41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.

Those that ate a meal with Him after His resurrection were chosen to be witnesses and this happened on the first day of the week as we seen in Luke 24. Here in Acts 20:7-11 we see that the first day of the week had been established as the day to break bread and do a service or teaching to build up the body. We can also see that there was a day set to celebrate the Lord’s Supper in I Corinthians 11:17, 20.

“On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight…..11 And when Paul had gone up and had broken bread and eaten, he conversed with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed.”

I Corinthians 11:17, 20 “But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse…..20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat.”

The collection was also done on the first day of the week and He loves a cheerful giver, I Corinthians 16:1-3 and II Corinthians 9:7-8

16:1-3 “Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do.2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.3 And when I arrive, I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry your gift to Jerusalem.”

9:7-8 “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.”

Why they gathered together, we already have seen that they gather on the firstly of the week or Sunday as we know it.

Acts 14:25-27 “And when they had spoken the word in Perga, they went down to Attalia,26 and from there they sailed to Antioch, where they had been commended to the grace of God for the work that they had fulfilled.27 And when they arrived and gathered the church together, they declared all that God had done with them, and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.”
 

Studyman

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so they did not 'create their own sabbath' -- we're definitely talking about the actual seventh day in scripture, not a 'fake man-made one'


the seventh day, where God Himself had commanded "do no work" ((Exodus 20:10)) and the same day that the first violator of was killed - by the very same God's command - for picking up sticks ((Numbers 15:32)). not some other fake sabbath, the actual one. where according to what God commanded, one would be justified in saying that the Law, God's own, not mans, forbids a person from picking up and carrying sticks. sticks that may be woven into a mat, say ((John 5:10)).


what does it mean, He is Lord of the sabbath?
You asked a question, I answered so that even a child could read and understand what I said. If you have scriptures which show I am in error, or that support the Pharisees accusations against Jesus, present them.
 

Studyman

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Of course I ignored your post. I read it and found nothing new.

"The Sabbath was made for man" was said in defense of a Sabbath breaker not to encourage Sabbath keeping.

I had said so previously and saw no need to repeat myself; especially since you don't accept most of what I say anyway.
So you preach Jesus didn't encourage us to follow the instructions He created for man. OK Marc.
 

Magenta

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So you preach Jesus didn't encourage us to follow the instructions He created for man. OK Marc.
I can see how you twist what he says to turn it against
him, instead of dealing with what Marc actually said.

Sabbath pushers don't like to deal with the fact that Jesus worked on the Sabbath. Jesus justified and defended working on the Sabbath, but Sabbath keepers would rather go around spreading their lies and lines about how working on the Sabbath is a sin. Sabbath keepers will endlessly parrot how we should follow Jesus and not the traditions of man, while they refuse to follow the example of Jesus, because they are so busy following the traditions of man... the same type of men Jesus took to task.