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Good topic what is the FALSE GOSPEL. It has a long history. Let's look at the scriptures....
THE FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN >>> IS THE FALSE GOSPEL TODAY
Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3 (this may be too long a study but let's try and make it shorter there are a lot of conencting scripture which I may add a few here only)
Let's start here with the father of lies......
John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.
The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.
links to...........
1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM
links to...........
1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do; John 8:44)
The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....
Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)
3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.
4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)
5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DISOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>
6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172;>
The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >
8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Key points and putting it all together..........
The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE. Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.
THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment NOT TO EAT the FRUIT lest you DIE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD.
THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.
SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)
It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
THE FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN >>> IS THE FALSE GOSPEL TODAY
Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3 (this may be too long a study but let's try and make it shorter there are a lot of conencting scripture which I may add a few here only)
Let's start here with the father of lies......
John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.
The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.
links to...........
1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM
links to...........
1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do; John 8:44)
The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....
Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)
3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.
4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)
5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DISOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>
6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172;>
The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >
8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Key points and putting it all together..........
The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE. Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.
THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment NOT TO EAT the FRUIT lest you DIE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD.
THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.
SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)
It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)
......................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Now MMD,
Do you know the scriptures? If you do not KNOW God's WORD how can you know what the Gospel is?
What amazes me is people who point to the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and think it has more authority then the Word of God and try to use the teachings of men in place of the Word of God.
Yes we can talk history but history does not supersede the Word of God. Histroy can be biased based on who is writing it. History itself has been re-written by the RCC whose tradtions you are trying to protect that break the commandments of God.
Now who is disagreeing here that the early Christian did meet on the first day of the week or any other day of the week? What you are not telling others however, is why or the reason for these meetings and using RCC historical resources to support your tradition of Sunday worship over the Word of God.
Biblically there is NO support whatsoever that says the SUNDAY is the "Lords DAY"
Please by all means show me just one scripture that says that SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?
You my friend cannot because there is NO such scripture no matter how hard you try to spin it there is NO SCRIPTURE in ALL of GOD'S WORD that says the SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.
Yet if you know God's WORD it clearly says the SABBATH IS THE LORDS DAY. Yes it is true that John was in the SPIRIT on the LORDS DAY. What does God's WORD say is the LORD'S DAY? Wait for it..........
WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?
Matthew 12
8, FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY
Mark 2
27, And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28, Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Now my friend what day does Jesus himself say is the LORD'S DAY? There you have it THE SABBATH DAY.
Now the difference between what your posting and what is being presented here is that you have to turn to the teachings and traditions of men to try and prove your Catholic tradition.
Where on the other hand we only turn to the WORD of GOD alone to show that the SABBATH and NOT Sunday is the LORD'S DAY.
Now you want to talk History? There is a reason why the early Christians after the Apostles did meet on Sabbath and Sunday. It was because of persecution and early church corruption. Here is some other historical references you might be interersted in reading....
let's look at just a few Historical references....
The original churches generally held the Sabbath. "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius (A.D. 297-373, Bishop of Alexandria) likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. Epiphanius says the same." (Antiquities of the Christian Church, Vol. II, Bk.xx, Ch.3, Sec 1, 66. 1136,1137)
The forsaking of the Sabbath, and the enforcing of Sunday observance was instigated by a Roman Emperor who was a devoted "Sun-Worshipper". Here are bits and pieces from a letter he wrote in about A.D. 365 to the "heretics" (non-Catholics / true Christians), -"Forasmuch, then, as it is no longer possible to bear with your pernicious errors, we give warning by this present statute (Law) that none of you henceforth presume to assemble yourselves together. We have directed, accordingly, that you be deprived of all the houses in which you are accustomed to hold your assemblies....Take the far better course of entering the Catholic church."(Eusebius' -Life of Constantine, Book III) Commentary: Notice that even after more than 300 years Christians were still observing the Sabbath day.
In 781 the famous China Monument was inscribed in marble to tell of the growth of Christianity in China at that time. The inscription of 763 words was unearthed near the city of Changan in 1625 and now stands in the "Forest of Tablets" at Changan. The extract from the tablet states as follows. "On the SEVENTH-DAY we offer sacrifices, (possibly offerings of praise and thanksgiving) after having purified our hearts, and received absolution for our sins. This religion (Christianity), so perfect and so excellent, is difficult to name, but it enlightens darkness by its brilliant precepts.(Laws)" Christianity in China, Vol.I, Ch.2, pgs 48-49, by M. 1'Abbe Hue)
Sabbath observance was widespread and appears to have been opposed by the Roman Catholic Church. It was kept holy by Christians in Egypt in the third century, as the Oxyrhynchus Papyrus shows.(c. 200-250 A.D.)"Except ye make the Sabbath a real Sabbath [Greek, "sabbatize the Sabbath"], ye shall not see the Father." (The Oxyrhynchus Papyri, Pt. 1, pg 3, Logion 2, verses 4-11, London: Offices of the Egyptian Exploration Fund, 1898)
Early Church leader, Origen also enjoined the keeping of the Sabbath. "After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to KEEP ALSO THIS FESTIVAL of the SABBATH. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God."[Hebrews 4:9] (Homily on Numbers 23, para. 4, in Migne, Patrologia Groeca, Vol. 12, cols. 749,750)
The early church taught the Sabbath was for God's work of providence and meditation on His way of life."Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence; it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." (Constitution of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 7, pg 413, 3rd century) This was over 300 years after the resurrection of Christ.
Although the abolishment of the Sabbath and establishment of Sunday worship came through the Roman Catholic church, they freely admit there is absolutely no Biblical authority for it. Notice these statements by Roman Catholic Cardinal Gibbon, -"Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify SUNDAY, and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this LAW among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of SUNDAY. The SCRIPTURES enforce the religious observance of SATURDAY (Seventh-day), a day we never sanctify." (Faith of our Fathers, by Cardinal Gibbon)
According to the noted historian, H.G. Wells, Christian Sunday worship was borrowed from Pagan Sun-Worship. "During this indefinite time a considerable amount of a sort of theocrasia (intimate union) seems to have gone on between the Christian cult and the almost equally popular and widely diffused Mithraic cult, and the cult Serapis-Isis-Horus. From the former it would seem the Christians ADOPTED SUNDAY as their chief DAY OF WORSHIP instead of the Jewish SABBATH." (The Outline of History 1, pg 455)
In an effort to stamp out Sabbath keeping the Roman church commanded Christians to fast on that day. (Go without food or water, 24 hours). From canon 26 of the Council of Elvira (c.305 A.D.) It appears that the Christian church in Spain were Sabbath keepers. Rome had introduced the practice of fasting on the Sabbath to counteract Sabbath keeping. Pope Sylvester (314-335) was the first to ORDER the churches to fast on the Sabbath, and Pope Innocent (402-417) made it a binding law in the churches that obeyed him.
The Sabbath keeping Churches in Persia underwent forty years of persecution under Shapur II from 335 to 375 specifically because they were Sabbath keepers. "They despise our SUN-GOD. Did not Zoroaster (Prophet of Mithra, the sun-god), the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." (The Syriac Church and Fathers, by O'Leary, pg 83-84)
The Sabbath was kept in the early Eastern Churches, and some Churches of the West. "For in the Church ofMillaine (Milan), it seemes that Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day were inclined to Judaism; but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Jesus Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." (History of the Sabbath, Dr. Peter Heylyn, London 1636, Part 2, para. 5, pgs 73-74)
Sabbath keeping was the original position of the Church. "Sabbath-keeping, the original position of the Church, had spread west into Europe and from Palestine it spread East into India (Early Spread of Christianity, Mingana, Vol. 10, pg 460) and then into China. The introduction of Sabbath-keeping to India caused a controversy in Buddhism in 220 A.D. According to Lloyd (The Creed of Half Japan, pg 23), the Kushan Dynasty of North India called a council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath." Even many Buddhist monks embraced the Sabbath after receiving and studying the Holy Bible.
Notice this puzzling quote from the historian Socrates. "For although almost all Churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and Rome (Catholics), on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." (Ecclesiastical History, Socrates, Bk 5, Ch.22, pg 289) This ancient tradition was the keeping of Sunday as their day of worship. Sunday worship existed long before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The Roman Catholic Church pronounced all Christians keeping the Sabbath as being condemned and cut off from Christ. Council of Laodicea (c.366), Canon 29, -"Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day honouring rather the Lord's day (reference to Sunday) by resting, if possible, as Christians. However if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be ANATHEMA for Christ." (Mansi, II, pgs 569-570, also Hefele Councils, Vol. 2, b. 6) Notice the definition of "anathema" according to the World Book Dictionary, -"A person or thing that is utterly detested or condemned." And, -"A solemn curse by church authorities excommunicating some person from the church." Also, -"The act of denouncing and condemning some person or thing as evil."
There are too many more historical references these are but a few...
Although we did not need these Historical references unlike you did as we already can show that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY through the scriptures alone. Something that you are not able to do
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Now MMD,
Do you know the scriptures? If you do not KNOW God's WORD how can you know what the Gospel is?
What amazes me is people who point to the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and think it has more authority then the Word of God and try to use the teachings of men in place of the Word of God.
Yes we can talk history but history does not supersede the Word of God. Histroy can be biased based on who is writing it. History itself has been re-written by the RCC whose tradtions you are trying to protect that break the commandments of God.
Now who is disagreeing here that the early Christian did meet on the first day of the week or any other day of the week? What you are not telling others however, is why or the reason for these meetings and using RCC historical resources to support your tradition of Sunday worship over the Word of God.
Biblically there is NO support whatsoever that says the SUNDAY is the "Lords DAY"
Please by all means show me just one scripture that says that SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?
You my friend cannot because there is NO such scripture no matter how hard you try to spin it there is NO SCRIPTURE in ALL of GOD'S WORD that says the SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.
Yet if you know God's WORD it clearly says the SABBATH IS THE LORDS DAY. Yes it is true that John was in the SPIRIT on the LORDS DAY. What does God's WORD say is the LORD'S DAY? Wait for it..........
WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?
Matthew 12
8, FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY
Mark 2
27, And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28, Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Now my friend what day does Jesus himself say is the LORD'S DAY? There you have it THE SABBATH DAY.
Now the difference between what your posting and what is being presented here is that you have to turn to the teachings and traditions of men to try and prove your Catholic tradition.
Where on the other hand we only turn to the WORD of GOD alone to show that the SABBATH and NOT Sunday is the LORD'S DAY.
Now you want to talk History? There is a reason why the early Christians after the Apostles did meet on Sabbath and Sunday. It was because of persecution and early church corruption. Here is some other historical references you might be interersted in reading....
let's look at just a few Historical references....
The original churches generally held the Sabbath. "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius (A.D. 297-373, Bishop of Alexandria) likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. Epiphanius says the same." (Antiquities of the Christian Church, Vol. II, Bk.xx, Ch.3, Sec 1, 66. 1136,1137)
The forsaking of the Sabbath, and the enforcing of Sunday observance was instigated by a Roman Emperor who was a devoted "Sun-Worshipper". Here are bits and pieces from a letter he wrote in about A.D. 365 to the "heretics" (non-Catholics / true Christians), -"Forasmuch, then, as it is no longer possible to bear with your pernicious errors, we give warning by this present statute (Law) that none of you henceforth presume to assemble yourselves together. We have directed, accordingly, that you be deprived of all the houses in which you are accustomed to hold your assemblies....Take the far better course of entering the Catholic church."(Eusebius' -Life of Constantine, Book III) Commentary: Notice that even after more than 300 years Christians were still observing the Sabbath day.
In 781 the famous China Monument was inscribed in marble to tell of the growth of Christianity in China at that time. The inscription of 763 words was unearthed near the city of Changan in 1625 and now stands in the "Forest of Tablets" at Changan. The extract from the tablet states as follows. "On the SEVENTH-DAY we offer sacrifices, (possibly offerings of praise and thanksgiving) after having purified our hearts, and received absolution for our sins. This religion (Christianity), so perfect and so excellent, is difficult to name, but it enlightens darkness by its brilliant precepts.(Laws)" Christianity in China, Vol.I, Ch.2, pgs 48-49, by M. 1'Abbe Hue)
Sabbath observance was widespread and appears to have been opposed by the Roman Catholic Church. It was kept holy by Christians in Egypt in the third century, as the Oxyrhynchus Papyrus shows.(c. 200-250 A.D.)"Except ye make the Sabbath a real Sabbath [Greek, "sabbatize the Sabbath"], ye shall not see the Father." (The Oxyrhynchus Papyri, Pt. 1, pg 3, Logion 2, verses 4-11, London: Offices of the Egyptian Exploration Fund, 1898)
Early Church leader, Origen also enjoined the keeping of the Sabbath. "After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to KEEP ALSO THIS FESTIVAL of the SABBATH. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God."[Hebrews 4:9] (Homily on Numbers 23, para. 4, in Migne, Patrologia Groeca, Vol. 12, cols. 749,750)
The early church taught the Sabbath was for God's work of providence and meditation on His way of life."Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence; it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." (Constitution of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 7, pg 413, 3rd century) This was over 300 years after the resurrection of Christ.
Although the abolishment of the Sabbath and establishment of Sunday worship came through the Roman Catholic church, they freely admit there is absolutely no Biblical authority for it. Notice these statements by Roman Catholic Cardinal Gibbon, -"Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify SUNDAY, and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this LAW among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of SUNDAY. The SCRIPTURES enforce the religious observance of SATURDAY (Seventh-day), a day we never sanctify." (Faith of our Fathers, by Cardinal Gibbon)
According to the noted historian, H.G. Wells, Christian Sunday worship was borrowed from Pagan Sun-Worship. "During this indefinite time a considerable amount of a sort of theocrasia (intimate union) seems to have gone on between the Christian cult and the almost equally popular and widely diffused Mithraic cult, and the cult Serapis-Isis-Horus. From the former it would seem the Christians ADOPTED SUNDAY as their chief DAY OF WORSHIP instead of the Jewish SABBATH." (The Outline of History 1, pg 455)
In an effort to stamp out Sabbath keeping the Roman church commanded Christians to fast on that day. (Go without food or water, 24 hours). From canon 26 of the Council of Elvira (c.305 A.D.) It appears that the Christian church in Spain were Sabbath keepers. Rome had introduced the practice of fasting on the Sabbath to counteract Sabbath keeping. Pope Sylvester (314-335) was the first to ORDER the churches to fast on the Sabbath, and Pope Innocent (402-417) made it a binding law in the churches that obeyed him.
The Sabbath keeping Churches in Persia underwent forty years of persecution under Shapur II from 335 to 375 specifically because they were Sabbath keepers. "They despise our SUN-GOD. Did not Zoroaster (Prophet of Mithra, the sun-god), the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." (The Syriac Church and Fathers, by O'Leary, pg 83-84)
The Sabbath was kept in the early Eastern Churches, and some Churches of the West. "For in the Church ofMillaine (Milan), it seemes that Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day were inclined to Judaism; but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Jesus Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." (History of the Sabbath, Dr. Peter Heylyn, London 1636, Part 2, para. 5, pgs 73-74)
Sabbath keeping was the original position of the Church. "Sabbath-keeping, the original position of the Church, had spread west into Europe and from Palestine it spread East into India (Early Spread of Christianity, Mingana, Vol. 10, pg 460) and then into China. The introduction of Sabbath-keeping to India caused a controversy in Buddhism in 220 A.D. According to Lloyd (The Creed of Half Japan, pg 23), the Kushan Dynasty of North India called a council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath." Even many Buddhist monks embraced the Sabbath after receiving and studying the Holy Bible.
Notice this puzzling quote from the historian Socrates. "For although almost all Churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and Rome (Catholics), on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." (Ecclesiastical History, Socrates, Bk 5, Ch.22, pg 289) This ancient tradition was the keeping of Sunday as their day of worship. Sunday worship existed long before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The Roman Catholic Church pronounced all Christians keeping the Sabbath as being condemned and cut off from Christ. Council of Laodicea (c.366), Canon 29, -"Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day honouring rather the Lord's day (reference to Sunday) by resting, if possible, as Christians. However if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be ANATHEMA for Christ." (Mansi, II, pgs 569-570, also Hefele Councils, Vol. 2, b. 6) Notice the definition of "anathema" according to the World Book Dictionary, -"A person or thing that is utterly detested or condemned." And, -"A solemn curse by church authorities excommunicating some person from the church." Also, -"The act of denouncing and condemning some person or thing as evil."
There are too many more historical references these are but a few...
Although we did not need these Historical references unlike you did as we already can show that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY through the scriptures alone. Something that you are not able to do
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
That is not the point that was made, Sunday for the Sabbath started with them. So with nothing Scriptural they needed to preserve these heretical writings to prove their claim.
In relation to forgeries The subject was Ignatius I don't care. We are not talking about the SDA writings. Like I said here before I am not here to promote one church over another. A time might come for that, but this is not it.
I don't know and I don't care.
They did their research in relation to things being taken out of context. That is all I care about.
All subjective. All based solely on your opinion
In relation to forgeries The subject was Ignatius I don't care. We are not talking about the SDA writings. Like I said here before I am not here to promote one church over another. A time might come for that, but this is not it.
I don't know and I don't care.
They did their research in relation to things being taken out of context. That is all I care about.
All subjective. All based solely on your opinion
MMD, others, you are wasting time, imho.
None of the SDA's, not ONE is concerned with whether or not you are in Christ and saved by his work via his Gospel. They would only desire this as a stepping stone into their law keeping save yourself false gospel of works. That is how they use Christ and his Gospel to deceive, it is only there to be used to deceive you as only part of the truth. It is nothing short of the Judaizers in Galatians and other epistles which warn of these false teachers and their false gospel.
Their objective is to entangle you in the law and bring you under it's curse while proclaiming liberty (2 Peter 2:19). It is all about the keeping of the Law, and making another proselyte so they can glory in your flesh, but not in Christ. They may give him a token of recognition along the way, but usually only after much persuasion to do so, and it is done with much reluctance! Then it is right back to them, what they do, how they obey, what they keep, what they observe, what they work, what they don't eat, what they don't do, &c.
None of the SDA's, not ONE is concerned with whether or not you are in Christ and saved by his work via his Gospel. They would only desire this as a stepping stone into their law keeping save yourself false gospel of works. That is how they use Christ and his Gospel to deceive, it is only there to be used to deceive you as only part of the truth. It is nothing short of the Judaizers in Galatians and other epistles which warn of these false teachers and their false gospel.
Their objective is to entangle you in the law and bring you under it's curse while proclaiming liberty (2 Peter 2:19). It is all about the keeping of the Law, and making another proselyte so they can glory in your flesh, but not in Christ. They may give him a token of recognition along the way, but usually only after much persuasion to do so, and it is done with much reluctance! Then it is right back to them, what they do, how they obey, what they keep, what they observe, what they work, what they don't eat, what they don't do, &c.
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Still nothing but more trolling attacks.
Here let me help. This is what we were talking about.
Originally Posted by lightbearer
Paul does not write that all food is clean anywhere Posthuman.
Originally Posted by preacher4truth
Then eat vegetables...just in case. Romans 14:2.
To which was replied to. To quote, "Wrong verse we were talking about the common and unclean."
Here let me help. This is what we were talking about.
Paul does not write that all food is clean anywhere Posthuman.
Then eat vegetables...just in case. Romans 14:2.
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Well none of that is true whatsoever P4T,
If you believe you and your friend have a case present your scriptures. Making personal attacks on others does not help your case and only shows others you have no scripture to share. Disagree? By all means address the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. If you cannot then you should with honest heart believe God's WORD and follow it. The KINGDOM of heaven has drawn near to you. What will you do reject God's Word in order to follow your tradition or will you hear the small voice behind you saying this is the way walk ye in it?
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT. SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
If you believe you and your friend have a case present your scriptures. Making personal attacks on others does not help your case and only shows others you have no scripture to share. Disagree? By all means address the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. If you cannot then you should with honest heart believe God's WORD and follow it. The KINGDOM of heaven has drawn near to you. What will you do reject God's Word in order to follow your tradition or will you hear the small voice behind you saying this is the way walk ye in it?
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT. SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Jesus didn't raise on Sunday. This is more catholic teaching to support their ancient religious tradition of Easter and the venerable day of the Sun. Jesus rose on Saturday just before sundown 3 days and 3 nights after He was placed in the tomb. When Mary got to the Grave after the Sabbath (Sundown on Saturday Night) The stone was already moved, and He was already gone.
Matt. 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
The day ends and starts and sundown as you said. She went to the grave after sundown and He was already gone.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
This account has it later in the day than Matthew, but He was still gone. He was placed in the tomb just before sundown, so 3 days and 3 nights has Him rising just before sundown. He was already gone when they came to the grave. Why? Because He rose Saturday evening before sundown as Jesus said He would.
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
This was just after the Sabbath, sundown had just happened, they went to the grave and He was already risen.
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
Again, after sundown, while it was yet dark, He was already gone. Why? Because He said He would rise 3 days and 3 nights after being placed in the ground.
So you are the one, once again, who has twisted the text to defend your ancient Catholic traditions.
He was placed in the tomb just before sundown on Wednesday, there was two Sabbaths that week, First Day of Unleavened bread (Thursday) and the weekly Sabbath. (Saturday)
3 days; Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
3 nights Wed. night, Thurs. night, Friday Night. And He rose, as prophesied, just before Sundown on Saturday.
Your ancient religious tradition would have us believe He died Friday night and placed in the tomb just before sundown on Friday. And rose sometime in the middle of the night Saturday night before the sun rose Sunday morning.
1 day and 2 night at most. When we didn't have Bibles to check the scriptures for ourselves, you guys could get away with this kind of deception. But now we can all study for ourselves and expose your ancient religious traditions as from man and not from God.
Thank you Jesus for that.
The day ends and starts and sundown as you said. She went to the grave after sundown and He was already gone.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
This account has it later in the day than Matthew, but He was still gone. He was placed in the tomb just before sundown, so 3 days and 3 nights has Him rising just before sundown. He was already gone when they came to the grave. Why? Because He rose Saturday evening before sundown as Jesus said He would.
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
This was just after the Sabbath, sundown had just happened, they went to the grave and He was already risen.
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
Again, after sundown, while it was yet dark, He was already gone. Why? Because He said He would rise 3 days and 3 nights after being placed in the ground.
So you are the one, once again, who has twisted the text to defend your ancient Catholic traditions.
He was placed in the tomb just before sundown on Wednesday, there was two Sabbaths that week, First Day of Unleavened bread (Thursday) and the weekly Sabbath. (Saturday)
3 days; Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
3 nights Wed. night, Thurs. night, Friday Night. And He rose, as prophesied, just before Sundown on Saturday.
Your ancient religious tradition would have us believe He died Friday night and placed in the tomb just before sundown on Friday. And rose sometime in the middle of the night Saturday night before the sun rose Sunday morning.
1 day and 2 night at most. When we didn't have Bibles to check the scriptures for ourselves, you guys could get away with this kind of deception. But now we can all study for ourselves and expose your ancient religious traditions as from man and not from God.
Thank you Jesus for that.
So FlyingDove, give us a reference where the Apostles sanctified any of these get togethers. You first point: "1. Jesus was resurrected on Sunday:" It is not true. He was buried at sundown therefore he was resurrected at sundown: see my earlier post. The Apostles cannot appoint another day for it is God that sanctifies. Your last point on when Christians worshipped is not true also.
We are NOT told anywhere in Scripture that the first day of the week is ever declared Holy. It seemed to appropriate to commemorate both both Jesus resurrection and the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit; which both occurred on the first day of the week.
Likewise you can NOT find any place in Scripture where gentiles are commanded to keep the Sabbath.
Acts 15:24-29
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV
This passage tells us by omission that t was NOT imposed on gentile believers. For the first 3 centuries, Jewish believers, who predominated in the Church, continued to observe the Sabbath as well as the first day of the week.
More false accusations, something you dish up to others when they expose you. ALL cultists react this way, therefore you're no different.
Your smugness is noted.
Actually, Paul and Scripture does do this, nothing is to be forbidden. Furthermore the reason Paul states this to GENTILE believers is because the cultic false gospel preaching likes of you were around when Paul wrote the epistles.
Here it is: He was warning Gentiles of people like you, of the fact you're a false teacher and espouse a false gospel. Eating of foods has nothing to do with our salvation or relationship to Christ. To you, what Christ did is in fact not enough, so what you put in your mouth and tummy also saves you. Yes, your diet will be examined at the pearly gates; no pork equals heaven in your false message.
You've been shown your error and this fact. BUT in your SDA brainwashing you've learned how to argue against God and grace, and turn the Gospel of grace into a false gospel.
Your smugness is noted.
Actually, Paul and Scripture does do this, nothing is to be forbidden. Furthermore the reason Paul states this to GENTILE believers is because the cultic false gospel preaching likes of you were around when Paul wrote the epistles.
Here it is: He was warning Gentiles of people like you, of the fact you're a false teacher and espouse a false gospel. Eating of foods has nothing to do with our salvation or relationship to Christ. To you, what Christ did is in fact not enough, so what you put in your mouth and tummy also saves you. Yes, your diet will be examined at the pearly gates; no pork equals heaven in your false message.
You've been shown your error and this fact. BUT in your SDA brainwashing you've learned how to argue against God and grace, and turn the Gospel of grace into a false gospel.
MarcR, we have shown you the resurrection couldn't have happened on a Sunday; all that leaves you is Pentecost. Weak at best for calling a holy convocation (solemn assembly).
Since Sunday was never declared Holy and Saturday was. Furthermore, it was sanctified at creation; and not under the law. The law said "Remember the Sabbath" which suggests it was established with Adam. God is not going to sanctify a day and not give instruction to His new creation. Why then would anybody want to worship on an unholy day. You are just trying to justify why you are respecting your Catholic heritage.
Since Sunday was never declared Holy and Saturday was. Furthermore, it was sanctified at creation; and not under the law. The law said "Remember the Sabbath" which suggests it was established with Adam. God is not going to sanctify a day and not give instruction to His new creation. Why then would anybody want to worship on an unholy day. You are just trying to justify why you are respecting your Catholic heritage.
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You have not taken into account the fact that the end of Saturday (sundown) is also the beginning of Sunday (next minute). The Lord said three days and three nights, so that 72 hour period ended and then the next day began. We are not told at exactly what time between sundown on Saturday and sundown on Sunday the Lord actually rose from the dead. It was probably before 4:00 a.m. on Sunday, but still on THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (the morrow after the sabbath). You have also forgotten that Christ is called "the firstfruits of them that slept" and the Feast of First Fruits was on the morrow after the sabbath. It is that simple, but because the Sabbatarians reject the Lord's Day, they have to manipulate the time-frame.