Can A Preacher Be Saved, And Yet Preach Heresy?

[UnderGrace]

Etymology always important! Awesome..thank you

Most people would not define heresy this way when asked...Google searches typically only produces present day meanings, and while many may argue the evolution or devolution depending on how one view's it... the definition of words has been altered over the years for various reasons

We must not forget that the word heretic comes from two Greek words and means opinionated one......just saying

 

[Magenta]

Etymology always important! Awesome..thank you

Most people would not define heresy this way when asked...Google searches typically only produces present day meanings, and while many may argue the evolution or devolution depending on how one view's it... the definition of words has been altered over the years for various reasons

Here is what https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/heresy/ says:

Heresy [N]

​

from a Greek word signifying (1) a choice,

(2) the opinion chosen, and

(3) the sect holding the opinion.

In the Acts of the Apostles (5:17; 15:5; & Isaiah 24:5;Isaiah 24:14; 26:5)
it denotes a sect, without reference to its character. Elsewhere, however,
in the New Testament it has a different meaning attached to it.

Paul ranks "heresies" with crimes and seditions (Galatians 5:20).

This word also denotes divisions or schisms in the church (1 Corinthians 11:19).

In Titus 3:10 a "heretical person" is one who follows his own self-willed
"questions," and who is to be avoided. Heresies thus came to signify
self-chosen doctrines not emanating from God (2 Peter 2:1). ​

 

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Thank you MatthewG.

If there is no shared understanding and definition of the terms there is no meaningful conversation.

Maybe the OP will share what he believes is heretical

For some not believing in a pre-trib rapture is heresy and on and on.....

For me rapture timing is not a doctrine of salvational importance...

Even believing or disbelieving in a rapture is not a doctrine of salvation importance..

 

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You should believe in Jesus, not in OSAS! Whoever OSAS is: he will never bring you salvation! LOL!

I don't believe ones stance on OSAS matters.. It is not a doctrine of salivational importance..

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yeah, that's always the tricky part.

Aye, there's the rub. When you study the writings of the Early Church Fathers against heresies, you note that they used rather strong language against heretics. There are many men and women today who really should not be preaching and teaching, but they do it anyway. But what is significant is that the false teachers are very "popular" (through ear-tickling) and are generally the ones who have accumulated great wealth from bilking gullible Christians, whereas the faithful men are unpopular and barely getting by. We can rest assured that each and every one will give account.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You should believe in Jesus, not in OSAS! Whoever OSAS is: he will never bring you salvation! LOL!

OSAS is not an ogre. It is the belief that every genuine believer is eternally secure in Christ, and in their salvation. That is exactly what the Bible teaches, but those who disagree are not regarded as heretics -- simply misguided brethren and sisters.

 

[DJ2]

This crossed my mind today and I'm curious what y'all think:

Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?

Is it even possible?

Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?

For most the answer is maybe, depends on the heresy.

But for OSAS believers, yes. For them salvation is not about what you believe but when or if you believed. If the preacher at some point in his past believed then what he teaches now is moot concerning his own salvation.

 

[Budman]

I don't believe ones stance on OSAS matters.. It is not a doctrine of salivational importance..

I think it matters a great deal. If our security is in question we will live in fear - always unsure if we are saved, or if we lost salvation.

Nowhere in scripture does it record a person becoming saved, losing there salvation, and getting saved again.

How can one rest if their salvation hangs by a thread?

 

[MatthewG]

Here is how you can know.

Romans 10: 4 For Christ is an end of law for righteousness (The Law) to every one who is believing,

5 for Moses doth describe the righteousness that [is] of the law, that, `The man who did them shall live in them,'

6 and the righteousness of faith doth thus speak: `Thou mayest not say in thine heart, Who shall go up to the heaven,' that is, Christ to bring down?

7 or, `Who shall go down to the abyss,' that is, Christ out of the dead to bring up.

8 But what doth it say? `Nigh thee is the saying -- in thy mouth, and in thy heart:' that is, the saying of the faith, that we preach;

9 that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved,

10 for with the heart doth [one] believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation;

11 for the Writing saith, `Every one who is believing on him shall not be ashamed,'

12for there is no difference between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord of all [is] rich to all those calling upon Him,

13 for every one -- whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.'

1 John 5:13 These things I did write to you who are believing in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that life ye have age-during, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God. (YLT)

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God,that you may know that you have eternal life. (NLT)

 

[DJ2]

I think it matters a great deal. If our security is in question we will live in fear - always unsure if we are saved, or if we lost salvation.

Nowhere in scripture does it record a person becoming saved, losing there salvation, and getting saved again.

How can one rest if their salvation hangs by a thread?

We as Christians are never to rest but be ever watchful.

Salvation is never hanging on a thread. Only a purposeful decision can change our destiny.

I do not believe in OSAS but sleep quite well. I do not live in fear.

 

[stonesoffire]

This crossed my mind today and I'm curious what y'all think:

Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?

Is it even possible?

Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?

Are you right on everything budman?

 

[notuptome]

Do we distinguish between heretics and apostates?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Budman]

Are you right on everything budman?

I hope not. What a burden that would be!

 

[Budman]

We as Christians are never to rest but be ever watchful.

Salvation is never hanging on a thread. Only a purposeful decision can change our destiny.

I do not believe in OSAS but sleep quite well. I do not live in fear.

The "rest" I was referring to is the rest of assurance. The assurance that salvation is truly a gift that cannot be returned. If it could be lost or given back, it was never free, eternal, or unmerited.

 

[BillG]

I hope not. What a burden that would be!

What?

Your not right on everything?

Right your of my Christmas Card list.

Mind you it's celebrating Christmas heresy

Joshing with you of course.

 

[ljs]

The "rest" I was referring to is the rest of assurance. The assurance that salvation is truly a gift that cannot be returned. If it could be lost or given back, it was never free, eternal, or unmerited.

why some cant understand this I will never know !!!

 

[BillG]

why some cant understand this I will never know !!!

Think about it.
Did you ever struggle with it?.

If not why not?
Is so what changed?

 

[Budman]

What?

You're not right on everything?

Right, you're off my Christmas Card list.

Mind you it's celebrating Christmas heresy

Joshing with you of course.

I....um....couldn't help myself.

 

[DJ2]

The "rest" I was referring to is the rest of assurance. The assurance that salvation is truly a gift that cannot be returned. If it could be lost or given back, it was never free, eternal, or unmerited.

Any freely given gift must be returnable or rejectable. Any gift that is not rejectable is not by nature a gift.