Can A Preacher Be Saved, And Yet Preach Heresy?
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Heresy would be any doctrine that would damn men's souls to hell. An example would be a false gospel that adds or subtracts from the finished work of Christ, a Gospel which accomplishes complete salvation from foreknowledge to glorification to every believer. All converted will experience all phases of salvation mentioned in the golden chain of redemption in Romans 8:29-39
Adding or subtracting anything to this as also necessary for salvation is a false gospel.
Many do so out of ignorance though. As stated many times on here this is done by not distinguishing texts that describe a true believer from texts that prescribe what a person must do to be converted, saved &c. Perhaps God will bring them to the end of such error to the glorious truth of the Gospel and to full assurance.
There are those who preach other false gospels, little gods which is linked to prosperity gospel, name it and claim it, all implying that the Gospel is in its intent a message that God wants us to have material wealth &c. That is why Christ died for us according to their message, and the fact he died to save us from our sins is generally thrown in as a token, but is simply not the thrust of their false message at all: their message is one that is designed to appeal to the carnal lost nature and desires.
Then there is the false message that Christ is a moral example, and we must do and do and do to get in, and, that his righteousness is not imputed to us. Anyone preaching that message is a false teacher, and IMO, since they do not know the Gospel for obvious reasons, it is most likely they are yet lost in their sins. How can a person completely misunderstand the Gospel, work of Christ, what it accomplishes, mock it and those who believe, and yet be converted?
Forgive my frankness, but how stupid are these messages. Look at how they demean the work of Christ to the satisfaction of carnal desires as its accomplished objective.
Jude describes some of these preachers, and by all appearances they are not converted.
Adding or subtracting anything to this as also necessary for salvation is a false gospel.
Many do so out of ignorance though. As stated many times on here this is done by not distinguishing texts that describe a true believer from texts that prescribe what a person must do to be converted, saved &c. Perhaps God will bring them to the end of such error to the glorious truth of the Gospel and to full assurance.
There are those who preach other false gospels, little gods which is linked to prosperity gospel, name it and claim it, all implying that the Gospel is in its intent a message that God wants us to have material wealth &c. That is why Christ died for us according to their message, and the fact he died to save us from our sins is generally thrown in as a token, but is simply not the thrust of their false message at all: their message is one that is designed to appeal to the carnal lost nature and desires.
Then there is the false message that Christ is a moral example, and we must do and do and do to get in, and, that his righteousness is not imputed to us. Anyone preaching that message is a false teacher, and IMO, since they do not know the Gospel for obvious reasons, it is most likely they are yet lost in their sins. How can a person completely misunderstand the Gospel, work of Christ, what it accomplishes, mock it and those who believe, and yet be converted?
Forgive my frankness, but how stupid are these messages. Look at how they demean the work of Christ to the satisfaction of carnal desires as its accomplished objective.
Jude describes some of these preachers, and by all appearances they are not converted.
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OSAS is a straw man argument turned into a parlor game. Way back when, someone who agreed with Arminius decided that the U in TULIP (Unconditional Election) meant that no matter what we do after we're saved, God would not let go of us, therefore we could be serial rapists or murderers and still be saved. And they've been using that straw dog ever since.
They knocked out the letter in TULIP that counteracts that straw dog argument. The P. (Perseverance of the saints.) And then they claimed the perseverance for themselves, as if, yet another way they can save themselves.
While it is true that once God saves someone, they will never become unsaved, that too is a gift from God, and so is the perseverance. Just because you think you're saved doesn't mean you are saved. Some seeds do land on rocky soil. And tare looks just like wheat.
aka If you're not walking the walk, don't be so sure of talking the talk. And if you are walking the walk, then trust that that too comes from God.
They knocked out the letter in TULIP that counteracts that straw dog argument. The P. (Perseverance of the saints.) And then they claimed the perseverance for themselves, as if, yet another way they can save themselves.
While it is true that once God saves someone, they will never become unsaved, that too is a gift from God, and so is the perseverance. Just because you think you're saved doesn't mean you are saved. Some seeds do land on rocky soil. And tare looks just like wheat.
aka If you're not walking the walk, don't be so sure of talking the talk. And if you are walking the walk, then trust that that too comes from God.
The only true Gospel is that God, sent His son Jesus Christ down to earth to pay the price for sin, and that anyone who calls upon the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved, by believeing in their heart God raise Him from the dead, and be able to have access to God, through Jesus Christ in prayer in supplication, and they can read the Word of God and grow spiritually.
What is a false Gospel look like?
There are many different views about the Holy Bible, but the Gospel has always remained the same through out time by believers in the Word of God, thank God for that right?
What is a false Gospel look like?
There are many different views about the Holy Bible, but the Gospel has always remained the same through out time by believers in the Word of God, thank God for that right?
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And back in Paul and the apostles' day, they had no problems openly declaring liars are liars!
Act 13:41 "'Look, you scoffers, be astounded and perish; for I am doing a work in your days, a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.'"
And in these days we try to be politically correct and ignore the gospel as needed.
Act 13:41 "'Look, you scoffers, be astounded and perish; for I am doing a work in your days, a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.'"
And in these days we try to be politically correct and ignore the gospel as needed.
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Thank you MatthewG.
If there is no shared understanding and definition of the terms there is no meaningful conversation.
Maybe the OP will share what he believes is heretical
For some not believing in a pre-trib rapture is heresy and on and on.....
If there is no shared understanding and definition of the terms there is no meaningful conversation.
Maybe the OP will share what he believes is heretical
For some not believing in a pre-trib rapture is heresy and on and on.....
You really are the scoffer Paul was talking to in Acts 13:41.
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Jesus talks about foundational truth which is the work of God in my opinion. What is the work of God? To believe Jesus. And all that he's done.
Adding on or taking away from God's work is heresy. Or as Jesus put it building on sand.
I've meant many christians who view creation event different, the flood account, end times, but are rock soild in the Christ story.
Many saints forget that our Bible's and the knowledge of the diffrerent things will be useless once we get to heaven where all things will be known.
Infact it's seems our memory may be eraced and that the only thing we remember is what Christ did for us as we begin to sing our new song.
But for those who try to enter in some other way.......ya know
Adding on or taking away from God's work is heresy. Or as Jesus put it building on sand.
I've meant many christians who view creation event different, the flood account, end times, but are rock soild in the Christ story.
Many saints forget that our Bible's and the knowledge of the diffrerent things will be useless once we get to heaven where all things will be known.
Infact it's seems our memory may be eraced and that the only thing we remember is what Christ did for us as we begin to sing our new song.
But for those who try to enter in some other way.......ya know
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Being saved to me holds the same meaning being saved has for everyone who is saved. We are saved from separation from God, death and hell to connection with God, life, and God's kingdom.
And, I truly believe asking what something means that should be understood by the people in the group being asked is a form of double-speak to try and stop people from thinking they understand that definition, or any definition. It's a form of indoctrination into something else.
There are only two kind of people who as such questions:
1. Those who just joined a group and don't yet understand the lingo.
2. Those who are trying to dissolve the group by trickery and double-talk.
You're new to this group, so I don't know you yet, however, given your choice for user names, and given what that means to Christians, I would think you knew the definition, even if you wouldn't have put it the way I did. So, I'm just going to ask, why did you ask?
And, I truly believe asking what something means that should be understood by the people in the group being asked is a form of double-speak to try and stop people from thinking they understand that definition, or any definition. It's a form of indoctrination into something else.
There are only two kind of people who as such questions:
1. Those who just joined a group and don't yet understand the lingo.
2. Those who are trying to dissolve the group by trickery and double-talk.
You're new to this group, so I don't know you yet, however, given your choice for user names, and given what that means to Christians, I would think you knew the definition, even if you wouldn't have put it the way I did. So, I'm just going to ask, why did you ask?
This crossed my mind today and I'm curious what y'all think:
Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?
Is it even possible?
Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?
Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?
Is it even possible?
Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?
Thank you MatthewG.
If there is no shared understanding and definition of the terms there is no meaningful conversation.
Maybe the OP will share what he believes is heretical
For some not believing in a pre-trib rapture is heresy and on and on.....
If there is no shared understanding and definition of the terms there is no meaningful conversation.
Maybe the OP will share what he believes is heretical
For some not believing in a pre-trib rapture is heresy and on and on.....
Ummmmmmm.........Notice what I said.......especially the 14th word
I would say yes.....many saved men get behind the pulpit and preach opinions based upon a lack of knowledge...who was it in acts that had to be given a "better understanding"....and I can think of a few ideas pushed by save men that do not measure up..